justice department resist that? if so, what does the white house do? ultimately, does comey come out and either go to the hill and speak to the intelligence committees or does he do something like he did with the clinton case several months back and actually hold a press conference? all of those things are possible. i think, you know, all of us here in washington are waiting to figure out what s actually going to happen today and in the days ahead. and real quick, michael, not to get into what can be very complicated when you re talking about fisa warrants and all of that, is this information, what the president is charged, is it knowable? yes? shouldn t there be a paper trail? i mean, absolutely. it s ultimately knowable to the people and institutions that either, you know, approved them, which would in most cases be a court somewhere, or it s the intelligence communities that have the information. and ultimately the president of the united states has the ability to know. and if h
that s basically the latest we have from the white house. joining me now is new york times correspondent michael sher, michael, great to see you. you guys were the first to report that the fbi has pushed for doj to reject the president s claim. from your reporting, what bothers the fbi most here? hey, kate. there s really two things that comey and the fbi were worried about. one was the thing that you mentioned at the top, which is that it seems to suggest that the fbi might have been complicit in participating in some sort of illegal wiretapping scheme and obviously they want to push back against that. on the other side, there s also the possibility that if the american public believes there were extensive wiretappings of a presidential candidate and eventually president-elect, it raises the expectations that there is some big explosive story that the fbi is sitting on. if the fbi and the fbi director