call with let s go, brandon, euphemism for an insult that you can probably google if you don t know what it means already. the big question is civility dead in washington? my panel is back with me. i don t want to be the morality police or the civility police. i think the bigger question is what this means in terms of how washington works and operates. eva, i want to start with you because congresswoman dingell played a voice mail in that interview with dana bash. take a listen. you ve got them old and [ bleep ]. you re as old and ugly as biden. you ought to get the [ bleep ] off the planet. you [ bleep ]. they ought to arrest for treason. you and every one of your scumbag friends. i hope that your family dies in front of you. i pray to god that if you ve got any children they die in your face. like charles sumner was beating on the senate floor. we ve hugly times in washington.
legislation live on national tv. democratic senator ben cardin says they will keep at it. i think our best strategy is to find a common spot where all democrats can agree and move that legislation. that s what we re trying to do now. that s what the negotiations are about between the president and joe manchin and the speaker of the house and the majority leader in the senate. our panel joins me now to share their reporting and insights. washington post reporter sun min kim, cnn correspondent john harwood and national politics correspondent eva mccann. you heard what senator cardin said there and something that senator cardin said yesterday that grabbed a few headlines in what the process may be going forward. take a listen. are democrats hoping to scale it back even more or passing various passes as stand-alones may be attracting senator manchin or even some gop on some of these issues? well, that s a strategy
i spoke with him the day after, i think after. i don t know if i spoke with him in the morning i just don t know. i d have to go back i mean, i don t i don t know that when those conversations happened, but but what i knowsy spoke with him all the time. that was as clear as mud, but there s been multiple version of that. eva, i want to ask you. when you think about the idea of committees going after lawmakers it raises a lot of concerns inside congress but where does this head where committees subpoena lawmakers? well, it s a strategy that the committee captain take lightly. it adds a whole new dynamic when you re subpoenaing members of congress, your co-workers basically and it turns up that temperature in the body at a time when it s already high but they have determined that this is a necessary step forward, and, you know, in addition to this, we have seen members, they
the vast majority of the conference, and there s a clear move of trump outside al toys get more of them in. take a listen to boris epstein, a close trump outside adviser and what he had to say. all of these establishment dinosaurs who have no room in today s maga environment have decided it s time to move on, and it is, because the the maga movement, the war room posse, the maga movement and, yes, president donald j. trump has full control over the republican party. you know, there s a great piece in the newspaper today about how, you know, they are recruiting canned diets primary people that would line up more with the marjorie taylor greenes and matt gaetzes and i want to go back to you, eva, in terms of how this plays out. the fighting among the republicans and the tension to define the party as slowly about proximity to trump has been fascinating to watch.
he took credit again when owens pushed back. take a listen to the exchange. yet more people have died under this covid, by the way, under joe biden. right. than under you and more people took the vaccine this year so people are questioning the vaccine work but some people the once that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don t take the vaccine, but it s still their choice, and if you take the vaccine you re protected. people aren t dying when they take the vaccine. eva, candace owens put out that video because of the pushback that the former president was getting. does cause a major rift inside trump supporters that he s taking this position? i m not sure it lfnlt i think for the former president whatever advisers are advising him on this, he needs to keep listening to them. one of the reasons that so many americans put their confidence in joe biden was because they thought that president biden took the pandemic more seriously and that the former pres