Mara gay. White house editor for politico, sam stein. You saw him on way too early. And the founder of the conservative website, the bulwark, charlie sykes. It is a great group. Thank you for being with us this morning. Well begin the week with the latest on those new charges against former President Donald Trump in the classified documents case. Today, a newly introduced third defendant, the Property Manager at former president s florida home, is scheduled to be arraigned in miami Federal Court. Carlos de oliveira was named in a Superseding Indictment last week and charged in four counts, including conspiracy to obstruct justice and making false statements to the fbi. According to prosecutors, trump directed both de oliveira and his valet, walt nauta, to destroy Security Camera footage last year from the Room Monitoring where boxes of classified documents were being stored at maralago. That alleged order came just days after the fbi issued a subpoena for that same footage. Its unclear
Us, which has to be interpreted. the idea is that who controls meaning controls the mind. and if the mind is a part of a social system, then it becomes part of groupthink. then you have a serious problem. professor, sam stein here. i m sure you ve encountered this, too, but i have on a couple occasions, where you talk to people who have gone down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. so, for instance, people who are firm believers in qanon. you try reasoning with them about why their world view is based on a series of misconceptions or lies, and it doesn t work. i m wondering, in your studies, what have you discovered about trying to pierce that conspiracy bubble? are there certain ways that you can do it to reach the people who have succumb to these conspiracy theories? are there methods that can be used for people who want to
Project and author of running against the devil. they both join me now. rick, let me start with you. you have parts of the right, including the former president lionize-ing ashli babbitt as a martyr, as an innocent victim of police violence. and yet as you argued on twitter today. donald trump killed ashli babbitt. yes. mehdi hasan, thank you for having me, first off. but the actions that happened that day were not in a vacuum, they were motivated, they were directed, they were pushed. they were told where to go and what to do by donald trump. they were allowed to live in this conspiracy bubble, and fox news, provided in this bubble, and told him the big lie over and over again. they live in this facebook environment and facebook never moderated the fact that they were being told that wizard aliens control america and that if they don t do this they will become enslaved and become marxist.
President lionizing ashli babbitt as a martyr, as an innocent victim of police violence. yet as you argued on twitter today, quote, donald trump killed ashli babbitt. yes, mehdi, i thank you for having me, first off. but the actions that happened that day were not in a vacuum. they were not out of nowhere. they were motivated, they were directed, they were pushed, they were told where to go and what to do. by donald trump. they were allowed to live in this conspiracy bubble that fox news which is their main source of information provided them, which told the big lie over and over again. they lived in this facebook environment where facebook never moderated the fact they were being told that lizard aliens control america and that if they don t do this, they re all going to be enslaved and become mark marxists. this was a toxic mix that led her and people like her to the capitol. it is a tragedy she was killed, but let s look at where the responsibility rests. it s with the people that