Ukraine had a statement about Fighting Corruption and mr. Yermak would say burr mace in 2016. Mr. Yermak provided me a draft statement, and i wanted to be assured that this statement would actually correct the perception that mr. Giuliani had of ukraine and what they stand for now so that that would also be conveyed to President Trump and solve this problem that id observed with our may 23rd meeting with the president. The problem that hes getting a bad set of information, Statement Like this could potentially correct that. So was mr. Giuliani satisfied with this statement . No, he was not. Why not . He believed that it needed to say burisma and 2016 specifically or else it would not be credible, it would not mean anything new. So, in fact, mr. Jewel yagiu wanted it to State Burisma and
one specifically for President Trump. Mr. Ambassador, heres the text you sent to the ukrainian official on august 13th, lets put that up on the screen. You said hi, andre. Good talking. Following is the
you had problems with who he said what? yes, sir. dr. hilliard told you that she had concerns about colonel venm venman s judgment, is that right? yes, sir. colonel venman did not always adhere to the chain of command, is that right? i believe so, yes, sir. you believed colonel venman accessed information outside of his lane? i stated there were those who were concerned, yes, sir. you said colonel venman was not on certain trips, is that right? yes, sir. you said colleagues expressed concerns to you about colonel venman leaking information, is that right? yes, sir. when i asked colonel venman why he didn t go to you with his concerns about the call even though you had no concerns about anything being, i think your language was, nothing improper, nothing illegal on the call. i asked general venman why he
went to the lawyers, his brother, secretary kent and one other person that he wouldn t tell us and chairmanship wouldn t allow him to tell us. when i asked him why he did that he indicated the lawyers instructed him to do that and he tried to get ahold of you. is that fair? sir, i watched part of the proceedings this morning. i heard him say that, yes, sir. one thing chairman schiff point the out was that you, colonel venman s boss, also weren t to the lawyers but your reason for going to the lawyers was a little different, wasn t it? yes, sir. i think you had a few things that you and mr. castor talked about earlier in today s hearing, but i think at the top of your list you were concerned about the contents of the call leaking out, is that fair? yes, sir. and that s exactly what happened, isn t it? sir, i don t know i don t
deliberation about this whole matter. collectively we re going to have to grapple with this very grave decision, its weighting and it s going to get hard and it s hard in proportion to its importance to our great republic, a republic, if we can keep it. i yield back, mr. chairman. mr. jordan. thank you, mr. chairman. in the now famous transcript, president trump said this, i heard you had a prosecutor and he was shut down. that s really unfair. just for clarification, do you believe trump was talking about lucinco or shulkin. shul kin. you had issues with colonel venman s judgment, is that right? it is, sir.