But it has been declined recently because they have taken up the fight. but there are some trial influences in this area as well. very many tribal nuances. the taliban took this as an opportunity. we are still waiting to get more numbers and clarity from the u.s. government and doctor without borders as there are still some unaccounted for. general hertling, colonel mcginnis. good to have you both. thank you. this horrific shooting on an oregon college campus has the president fired up this morning his new verb badge on the issue of gun control. plus new details on the sheath sheeter behind the massacre. also, a lot of you in the east coast are just getting ready for what could be a historic flooding here? we ll give you an update on what is happening in that regard. plus the university of louisville now investigating exclusive allegations that a back football staff member paid
Extraction of the bodies. there s really two things that need to be done right now. and that s the dignity of those victims and to preserve those bodies and to bring them back to their loved ones and relatives. the second part is that of culpability again. and the only way that s going to be truly determined is the hard physical evidence to prove something did hit the aircraft. and determine from that aircraft what direction it came from and perhaps how far away it was when it was launched. that s going to be so important as we move forward with this culpability issue. colonel, the strongest resistance, i d imagine, that we d see from these rebels would be if the ukrainian military, the ukrainian government, would come into that area, as they have a right to, to lead that investigation. do you think the ukrainians should hand over leadership of this investigation to the international community, to the u.s., to some other body? well certainly, the president sent the fbi and the ntsb
Mcginnis and david zusi. what s your opinion about what happened here? well, victor, with sa-11 undisputably within the hands of the separatists and they re out of control of russian and ukrainian air defense capabilities and monitoring radar. and, of course, over the last week, we ve had at least three downings of aircraft by separatists, according to the president s statement yesterday, that it would appear as if this was mistakenly identified, the flight 17 by separatists and therefore, engaged. and certainly within the capability of a surface-to-air missile 11 by separatists who probably have been trained or perhaps deserted the ukrainian side and understands how to use the weapon, it was engaged. now, important the people s republic of donetsk, the separatist regime there, gave the order.
So far, as he says, victor, things peaceful there in kiev. joining us to talk about this the foreign ambassador and pentagon correspondent. colonel mcginnis, let s start with you. the question here is, what are the options here for the international community, but especially the u.s. to respond to this russian show of force? well, obviously, the president is taking it off the table, at least for now. a number of ambasatorial issues that can be addressed and certainly sanctions will be addressed and putin is vulnerable to a cut in oil price. look what we did in georgia back in 08. we made a lot of red lines and essentially we ended up doing very little other than putting a couple in the black sea area. you know, moving some of the
you re absolutely right. in 1994 when ukraine shed its nuclear weapons the uk, u.s. and others guaranteed uk s sovereignty. need to do our best to deliver on and various things going on. the g-8 summit off the table and lots of action in the u.n. and else where. the unfortunate fact, however, is that russia is visibly so committed to retaining its influence in ukraine and that, i suspect, the diplomatic and other options we have are not strong enough to turn them around. we ll have to talk to the russians and work out a way forward together with them which guarantees what they see is their rights and concerns in ukraine. colonel, if the diplomatic efforts don t work or if they don t work quickly enough, who goes in because we know that the defense minister said that they don t have the might and the ukraine does not have the might to fight off the russian forces. what is the option to go in?