By nazis, and they really do emphasize these are neo nazis, these are genuine nazi, kind of leftovers from the 1940s, almost. and when you re in that world, and it s the only thing you see, then you can start to believe it, even if you re a rational and a right-minded person. it is an important point and it s helpful to understand that, because i think as americans, i mean we have our own issues with propaganda, ian, here, but i think as americans, we re seeing these images and how can anybody in russia believe that ukraine is blowing up buildings in their own country. so it s important to understand that. colonel finland, and sweden, they are both weighing nato memberships, one finish cabinet member adding it is very likely that this may happen. russia s warning of big consequences if that should happen. what do you think about this? how does this factor into what we re looking at right now on the ground? well, it feeds the narrative