does he see the verdict? jacob is on the same level as i am. i will let him, when his time comes, speak for himself, but i know for a fact that he agrees with the things that i m saying as well, and also with pastor james. pastor, what do you think? how are you seeing this you know, brianna, thanks for having us. this conversation about love and forgiveness is nothing new for us. as a church, we ve been practicing these things for many years, long before the jacob blake shooting, teaching that there are three kinds of law that govern society, spiritual law, moral law and civil law and civil law cannot solve our problems. even with the rittenhouse wish wish jacob didn t get shot. with the rittenhouse case civil law is not intended to teach us what is right and wrong. civil law decides what is legal and what is illegal and many