Civilians and citizens, and russia s propaganda networks are telling russians that it s in fact ukraine that s carrying out these atrocities, and not russia, and using that to justify yet more violence and yet more aggression against ukrainians. so ian, how does that begin to work? is that a persuasive argument for the every day russian, that ukraine is blowing up their country like this? i mean to an extent, yeah, you ve got to bear in mind the russians are living in a very closed information sphere. information from outside is accessible but only if you are a canny social media user who is able to skirt the new bans that the government has introduced on things like instagram, and facebook. but if you watch the state media, then for the last ten years, you ve been told that the world is aligned against you, nato and america is leading a conspiracy, that ukraine is led