epstein and then she sat on a couch as carolyn and mr epstein had six. she went back to mr epstein s home 100 times until she became too old at the age of 18, allegedly. and she spoke about billing maxwell s role specifically, that she was the one to arrange meetings and transportation, along with another assistant, and she said that ghislaine maxwell allegedly touched her breasts. so she has testified, there s been an intense cross examination from the defence who ve looked at her past statements to the fbi and two civil lawsuits that she had in 2008 againstjeffrey epstein and another woman from his staff. and the defence really honed and at that point that she didn t mention ghislaine maxwell by name in any of those interviews. a counter argument was that the interviews and the lawsuit were not about billing maxwell specifically, and that s why her name did not come up. lest we