And the challenge you re laying down is absolutely right, the ukrainians are not the aggressors here. the unthinkable scenes we re seeing in mariupol that i fear will be repeated in other parts of the east of the country, whether it s more besiegements to come. what we have here is a klaczek scissors effect, where the greater and greater misery within ukraine will find ripple effects around the world because you remember the impact on food prices, impact on energy prices, at a time of a global debt crisis that s looming for too many emerging economies. those are forces that have been unleashed by this invasion. but it s not an invasion that has been precipitated by any actions on the part of the ukrainians. and that s why i come back down to this question, but the choice lies in moscow. if it insists on seeing a vessel or enemy next door in ukraine, it s a recipe for the total pulverization obliteration going on at the moment. stay with us, we re going to come back and talk more abou
Either as a muscle or enemy. and what he said then is russia s crime today because what they have done is invade. and the challenge you re laying down is absolutely right, the ukrainians are not the aggressors here. the unthinkable scenes we re seeing in mariupol that i fear will be repeated in other parts of the east of the country, whether it s more besiegements to come. what we have here is a klaczek scissors effect, where the greater and greater misery within ukraine will find ripple effects around the world because you remember the impact on food prices, impact on energy prices, at a time of a global debt crisis that s looming for too many emerging economies. those are forces that have been unleashed by this invasion. but it s not an invasion that has been precipitated by any actions on the part of the ukrainians. and that s why i come back down to this question, but the choice lies in moscow. if it insists on seeing a vessel or enemy next door in ukraine, it s a recipe for the to
Unfortunately, from these two wars, the first one is it is madness to take the war into the cities. this war is now fighting street by street in urban areas which means it becomes a bloodbath, really. there are civilians filled to the brim in these places. you cannot, you must not take the war to the cities. the second lesson is that because it is so difficult to take a city fighting street by street and basement by basement, we may see many more besiegements like the one we have seen in mariupol. in syria besiegements took years and in the end people starved to death. this madness has to stop, there has to be progress on the negotiating table and the first thing they have
And what lessons might be useful for this crisis? there are many similar lessons really. unfortunately, from these two wars, the first one is it is madness to take the war into the cities. this war is now fighting street by street in urban areas which means it becomes a bloodbath, really. there are civilians filled to the brim in these places. you cannot, you must not take the war to the cities. the second lesson is that because it is so difficult to take a city fighting street by street and basement by basement, we may see many more besiegements like the one we have seen in mariupol. in syria may need the besiegements took years and in the end people
The war to the cities. the second lesson is that because it is so difficult to take a city fighting street by street and basement by basement, we may see many more besiegements like the one we have seen in mariupol. in syria many besiegements took years and in the end people were starved to death. so this madness has to stop, there has to be progress in the negotiating table and the first thing they have to agree on is a ceasefire so that our relief can get into the cities and the civilians can get out. you have worked for many, many decades on the subject of refugees and you will know as well as anyone else that these people weren t always refugees.