ukrainians have fought valiantly to defend their country? absolutely. mike: close-up at mariupol and take a closer look at what we are seeing here. obviously great concern about this steel facility where we believe a lot of people were hiding out trying to find a safe place from the fighting. your thoughts as we look at mariupol? so when you look closely. i mean, this is a heavily industrial area. lots of underground structures, lots of heavy equipment. it s surrounded on several sides by water. so it s almost like a natural fortress. what s happening inside here is very reminiscent of what we saw in world war ii in the battle of the stalin ground. horrific situation on the ground. it s an open question of how much long the people, mixed civilians with mixed with fighters can hold out in the last inside of mariupol. mike: when you consider how much fighting has been focused in mariupol, what are your fears in terms of the kind of atrocities that may be taking place to win