Look, we think we can go out, trading stocks, and not get killed. His relationship now extends five decades and is the bidding beginning of every new paper coming out was a landmark paper. It was all brandnew stuff. None of it was being applied. The two recently sat down at the school of business, named after david booth, following in 2008. For a wideranging conversation with barry. Masters in business. Barry during your last year at tufts, you worked for harry ernst, who had a side gig running a stock market forecasting service. And you did research for him. What sort of work did you do with this stock Forecasting Research . Eugene the value schemes to beat the market. [laughter] barry and how did that work out . Eugene it worked out fine. [laughter] eugene it didnt work out fine on the other sample. Never did. That was a lesson [indiscernible] things that arent really there. Barry and how did that research into forecasting the stock market, your thinking about whether or not the mark