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Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20191021 22:35:00

Streets, anti-war demonstration. did that move the needle? i was happy to see people protesting the war. there should be more people doing that on that kind of principle. but street protests very rarely have anything to do with anything except for the way it makes the protesters themselves feel. i don t think that s going to take a swing state republican and say you know what? i m going to do it this time. nobody likes to respond to mob pressure. certainly not here. what do you think? what congressmen and senators do respond to, keep calling their phone line over and over and over. showing up at their town halls. show up. pressure them to do town halls. pressure them to get out there. it is just incredible to me how many republican congressmen and women do not actually show up for town halls. the contrast with someone like justin amash who does go out and explain his thinking is very stark. i think some of those town halls may have been the reason why they were able to save t

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20191021 22:05:00

Believe is very solid because you have an october 8th letter from white house council pat cipollone very clearly stating we are not going to comply. that shows intent to obstruct. whereas with the mueller investigation, they never got the star witness in the obstruction charges, don mcgahn to ever testify. so there is a lot of debate over that. there is also pushback from some other committee chairs, committee members who want to see additional articles, for instance, when it comes to emoluments. but i am told, aymin, by very good sources that at this point, anything beyond ukraine as well as obstruction of justice and contempt of congress at this point is unlikely. so to that point, heidi, does that change or at all alter the time frame that they re working with, if they ve got one set of articles of impeachment particularly focused on the ukraine case, which seems to be pretty straight forward as they continue to gather more evidence. does that make the timeline more

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20191021 22:25:00

On each other pretty quickly. i would also say the behavior that we re seeing right now, this defiance is really putting that test to congress. and they re essentially daring congress not to hold them accountable. one of the things that i find interesting in all of this is how everyone kind of tries to say oh, it s not me. it s rudy. you re going to have to ask rudy about that. even ari asks jay sekulow about this. let me play you what he said about the whole ukraine stuff. watch. that was out of my judiciary committee. it wasn t anything i was engaged in. when did you learn that rudy giuliani was asking these foreign governments to investigate joe biden? you know, i learn i guess when you did, because that was not in my jurisdiction. you don t know what he did. i m asking when you did. you don t know when i learned it. well, i didn t know anything about it until this got really public. you learned about it when it spilled into the public reporting? yeah. it s kin

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20191021 22:13:00

See there is potential wrongdoing here. or are they narrowly focused on just the initial stage of bringing those charges out of the house and into the senate. i think they re one and the same, aymin. they re concerned about republicans in the house and in the senate, because the end goal here is for this to be successful and not fizzle in the senate. and that is why this abuse of power narrative they believe is so powerful, because they say that the president was abusing his authority and hurting the national security interests of the nation by withholding that military aid in order to benefit himself politically, that that is kind of the home run argument that you have to make to republicans in both chambers, because i do think that they re making a calculus that they re going to have to make it hard for republicans who have again on the record like lindsey graham himself who just days ago

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20191021 22:59:00

Did you serve on the capital regime, peter clemenza, also known the godfather? i don t know the godfather. that s the scene from godfather part ii in the federal trial of roger stone. prosecutors had wanted to play the clip for jurors. they say stone urged a witness to, quote, do a pentageli, in other words, lie to congress just as the character does in that movie clip. ari talked about this with the godfather director, francis ford coppola. do you think the prosecutors are right? they should be able to play your film in this case? if it s relevant to the case, and godfather has become part of the culture. from my point of view, anything that would take stuff from a

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