that is testimony from mike pence s former adviser regarding former president donald trump s repeated efforts to get pence to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. we will hear much more of the key moments from yesterday s january 6th hearing, including the vice president s close call with the mob, very close call that day. and the pardon request from the architect of the president s election scheme. plus, new reporting that the house select committee now wants to talk to conservative activist ginni thomas. she is, of course, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. good morning. welcome to morning joe. it is friday, june 17th. along with joe and me, we have white house bureau chief at politico and the host of way to too early, jonathan lemire. washington post s jackie alemany. host of politicians nation and host of the national action network, reverend al sharpton. and nbc legal analyst joyce vance. good morning to everybody. joe, anothe
jury brought the first convictions of seditious conspiracy in a january 6th case against two of the masterminds of the right-wing gang of oath keepers. elmer stewart rhodes iii kelly meggs woke for now the united states looks upon seditious conspiracy if two or more persons conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the government of the united states, or levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any llavina states, or by force to seize take or possess any property of the united states contrary to the authority thereof. and while that is sort of dance legal language, in toto it is a different thing to prove beyond reasonable doubt. if convictions for seditious conspiracy are rare for that
the tv footage was of footage from january six, you d actually think it is a normal tourist visit. you wouldn t really think that if you look at the footage. now though the truth at the attempted coup the, insurrection has been attacked established definitively. because yesterday the federal jury brought the first convictions of seditious conspiracy in a january 6th case against two of the masterminds of the right-wing gang of oath keepers. elmer stewart rhodes iii kelly meggs woke for now the united states looks upon seditious conspiracy if two or more persons conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the government of the united states, or levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder,
intended. whether or not there is a criminal referral at the end of the day, i think you re beginning to see a very compelling case that the president of the united states, with others, conspired to obstruct congress, to thwart the count of electoral votes, to interfere in this work. if you can tie them to the use of force, to a seditious conspiracy. i was just going to ask, chuck, what does one have to do, i mean, to have the justice department charge you with a seditious conspiracy? i mean, the morning after on january 7th, i think i read it on the show, code section 2384, seditious conspiracy. if two or more persons in any state or territory, any place subjected to the jurisdiction of the united states, conspired to overthrow, put down, or destroy by force the united states or levy a war against it or to oppose by force the authority
far-right military gang, called the oath keepers. that s a big deal for a number of reasons. first, here is how the law defines seditious conspiracy. i ll quote for you. if two or more persons conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the government of the united states, or to levy war against, them or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the united states. now, that law on that charge, the dishes conspiracy, was most notably use against puerto rican nationalists in the 20s it century. in fact, that moment they were charge, for was the most violent moment to happen to the capitol. four of them stormed in the capital, injuring five representatives. but, in recent decades, there is also the use against right-wing anti government groups. including, a group of white nationalists who were charged with sedition, ultimately acquitted by all white jury in the 1980s, after they tried to