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conviction? yeah. i think this is the most high-stakes trial definitely by far. a colleague of mine, a former federal prosecutor wrote a whole piece about this for the new yorker. the most difficult charge is treason, and that is a specific crime. it was used in the civil war. and that is sort of, i think, a prolonged armed effort to, you know, attack the u.s. government. sedition is lower than that. it s a plot, and then you act on that plot to interfere in the u.s. government ice procedures or, you know, block the u.s. government. so this, according to legal expert, most of the things i ve been reading today, legal experts think that sedition, you know, is a charge. it does appear to have strong evidence. they haven t overcharged him. . but, again, yes, the stakes are high. if stewart rhodes is convicted, it plays into every complaint that s come from militia groups,

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