they are denying what the nsa says they re doing. maybe the nsa is doing it without their knowledge, maybe there is sem antic problems going on. there are reports that the nsa went to silicon valley executives and asked for access to their direct servers. it s still ambiguous. i want the american people and they should know exactly what it is the government and tech companies are collaborating on, negotiating and talking about in terms of collecting this data. this should all be done in public, not in the dark. glenn greenwald, thank you so much for your time. thanks for having me, jake. appreciate it. coming up on the lead, doctors tell us every year get that flu vaccine but a new