Kochs belief in a free and Prosperous Society. And going back to some of the last panel which i thought was excellent as well talking about removing obstacles for opportunity talking about disadvantaged, the poor. If you want to help the poor, as we do, i think probably everybody in this room does, everybody on this panel does. Theres no better way than to reform our criminal Justice System because they are the most adversely impacted by that system that is so broken. So thats one part of it. The other part is we had some negative experiences ourselves with the criminal Justice System. Back in the mid90s. That we learned from. And we wanted to see whatever we learned and how the process went for us. If its happening to a big company with a lot of resources like us whats happening to the Small Business owners whats happening to the average citizen, whats happened to the average joe in the street out there, and so that got us involved working with the nacdl, National Association of crimi
and not being replaced. we are now almost out of trace evidence materials, casting material, dna swab kits, et cetera, with no means to replace them. . when does this end? the national head of the aclu anthony ramiro freaked me out when she said as serious as a heart attack that he believes this shutdown is indefinite. there is no reason to expect we will have federal governance in any foreseeable future. this afternoon, there was a little flurry of excitement when the new york times briefly posted this headline. senate leaders agree to vote. that offer possible path to re-open government. i say they briefly posted that headline because they quickly took it down when it became clear that actually the republican leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell, is offering no such thing, he just keeps putting up actually increasingly conservative, increasingly hardline versions of the bill that says the president wants to
avoid last minute court proceedings that required new york and boston and virginia for judges to rule on the constitutionality of this and essentially stay the action, all of this could have been avoided state part of the action. stay part of the action. but when you have further legal challenges, a part of the executive order being challenged could lead to the entire executive order collapsing. again, all of these are questions that should have been sorted out, in advance, discussed, so we didn t have there is no need for the american public to have to be standing up for its rights and standing up for american values in this way and protests around the country had the white house actually planned this as better policy instead of just rushing to implement campaign promises. you re echoing something that aclu director anthony ramiro said tonight that the haphazard and rushed way this was carried out on friday was a gift to challengers of litigation. now guaranteed them an acti
cover everybody s content, you will never get any place. so you have to have a reasoned approach. and what the judges said, that s the best way to ensure our civil liberties and privacy. they re going to start here, and they re not going to go after anthony ramiro because he has nothing to do with terrorism. they re not going to go after that and anybody who suggests that is wrong. now let s turn back to richard for one last time to look at our audience reactions. thanks, andrea. it is an intense debate. right now team no is edging out team yes, 54-46. but it hasn t always been that way. if you take a look at the graph leer, there was an early spike when general alexander was talking. the lead went back and forth over time. just want to point out the party breakdown though which is the most interesting thing. to me at least. democrats citie siding specifically with team yes. republicans team no. tens of thousands for team no. it s been a great debate.
security and privacy, are they mutually exclusive or can we strike a balance between the two? it is a deeply divisive subject. lets introduce our debaters. joining us tooday and representing team yes is general keith alexander, former director of the nsa. along with him former democratic congresswoman jane harman of california. and neil . and representing team no, those who say the nsa is not making us safer is anthony ramir ramiro. also on team no, former republican congressman mickey edwards of oklahoma. he was a ranking member of the subcommittee on foreign operations. and finally jeffrey rosen, the president and ceo of the national constitution center in philadelphia. before we dive in, we know that both the audience with us here in aspen and online have strong feelings about this topic and want to be weighing in as the conversation goes on. so we re using some innovative new voting technology powered by microsoft. my colleague richard wolffe, the xekt tiff editor of ms