more women. those were the female members of the 113th congress on why the women in the senate could get the budget deal done. yes, they could. when the new congress is sworn in, there will be a record-breaking 20 female senators in office. and joining us now you agree with me, right? our world s over, mike. actually, we compromise. yeah. after you break everything. and the way we compromised was, we decided not to bring donny deutsch on to talk about being a penn grad. that s true. that s a black eye on the legacy of the institution. i m so sorry. went to wharton. joining us now, the president of the university of pennsylvania, amy gutmann, the co-author of the book the spirit of compromise: why governing demands it and campaigning undermines it. i wonder if there s no better example than right now. yeah. we re in the midst of the perfect storm and the only solution to it is compromise. and for once, compromise isn t a
i m not sure they re going to appeal that way. governor, you had said before you weren t going to bring up this legislation because it was too divisive for the state. but you decided to bring it up anyway. what changed your mind? well, what happened, going back to 2009 when i started a campaign, i looked at it and said over 80% of the work force in michigan isn t unionized. so it s not a relevant issue to most michiganders and as a practical matter, we had much more pressing things to take care of. we ve done tax reform. we ve balanced our budget. we re paying down debt. education reform. a long list of important things that were higher priorities. what happened was this last summer. labor leaders decided to start a ballot initiative to put something on michigan s ballot regarding collective bargaining. and again, i believe in collective bargaining, but they went to a huge overreach to do something in michigan s constitution. and i asked them not to move ahead because i said if y
8-1. he wants the corporate cut as a part or overhaul of business taxes as part of the deal. yeah. which means they re listening to business leaders. the parts of a deal and so i m still sticking with december 23rd. no, you re back at 20. you went to 30 at one point. 10:00 p.m. i think we agree that they are going to look so silly i was on the show. i remember these things. they are going to look so silly if they have the gist of an agreement and have to bring everyone back, members, aides, police, the snack bar workers to vote. we picked up on something else. another reason an incentive i think snack bar workers better get ready. they re going to come back. it also may mean the president doesn t go to hawaii. the president may not go to hawaii come on. oh, stop it right now. there s no way. he s got to go to hawaii.
unions do cleaner? well, yeah. of course, the problem is now that the corporations are doing five times as much. but yeah, i think citizens we ve talked on this show a lot i think citizens united is a disaster for the country. you know, this is what we ve got to do is fix the citizens united problem, and then this argument that joe has, which is not a ridiculous argument, goes away. how kind of you. by the way, this is the howard dean says i agree with joe. it s not a completely ridiculous argument brought up by a jackass. it s not comical. this time. this time. yeah. governor i think governor dean made the point, this seems to me and the point you re raising, joe is this a finance campaign problem they re trying to fix by eltding union rights? no. this is what they argue. that s what they claim. i m agreeing. they should have done a campaign finance overhaul. they somehow think if they lower working people s wages, that s going to be good for
care debate with emergency rooms and so forth. in other words, you didn t put any money in, you re getting the higher wage and the benefits the guys who paid the money are receiving, you re still getting them, but you didn t pay for them. it s a free rider system. i mean, there are closed shops, there are open shops, right? that decision can be made there, correct? yeah. i think. if i m a union guy or woman, i d say, okay, well, let s negotiate for union members. yeah. and union members will be put on a different put in a different category, and we ll give them training, higher skills, and they get the pay raise and the nonunion people don t get the pay raise. i think your question s legitimate if especially if the unions aren t being effective in making the pay raises good, in making the workplace better. and i think that s a very good question today in terms of how well people are being paid. and i think, by the way,