those realities and the pressing need to concentrate american power in east asia to counter china, it s clear enough where an ideal retreat could end up with nato expansion permanently tabled, with ukraine subject to inevitable russian pressure but neither invaded nor annexed and with our nato allies soldering more of the border of retaining a security perimeter in eastern europe. do you disagree with that? yes and no. first of all, president biden agreed with that. he would be a one term president. i think it s very important to understand their domestic politics that he has to think about as well as policy implications. but on the policy implications, we basically have all of that, everything that was just described there. nato expansion, there hasn t been a major wave of nato expansion since. there has not been any conversation about ukraine joining nato in any serious sense since. i served five year in the obama administration. i was in every meeting with the president, with puti
he goes on to, right given, those realities and the pressing need to concentrate american power in east asia to counter china, it s clear enough where an ideal retreat could end up with nato expansion permanently tabled, with ukraine subject to inevitable russian pressure but neither invaded nor, annexed and with our nato allies soldering more of the border of retaining a security perimeter in eastern europe. do you disagree with that? yes and no. first of all, president biden agreed with that. he would be a one term president. i think it s very important to understand their domestic politics that he has to think about as well as policy implications. but on the policy implications, we basically have all of that, everything that was just described there. nato expansion, there hasn t been a major wave of nato expansion since 2002. there has not been any conversation about ukraine joining nato in any serious sense since 2008. i served five year in the obama