same. the question is who becomes an adult and steps forward and says the substantive equivalency i m not making but politically, howard, i am. and if you are a pedestrian american watching, they ll say, this is what i was watching last fall. as you said, there s some agreement on closing loopholes. well apply closing the loopholes, the revenue you get from that to reducing the deficit. but paul ryan wants to do is take that money from closing loopholes and use it to give bigger tax breaks to people at the top. that s not going to fly. we have to take a break. james i think you re hanging with us, i don t know if the air ca kisses that harold was blowing to you reached up all the way in new orleans. i ll take compliments, particularly from a guy from memphis. they re coming at you, we ll take a short break, when we come back, hillary clinton joins the evolution revolution on marriage equality as the movement gathers momentum. some republicans are stuck in a state of denial.