invades. but it also gets to the issue of not wanting to put u.s. and western forces in direct confrontation with the russians. so it is very preliminary at this point. the russians are in a different position than they were in before the war. so there are considerations whether they might be more willing to accept something like this. ultimately it runs into the same problem, which is they do not want to get in a direct shooting war with the russians. that is my question. is it is the same obstacle with a different name. well, it is the same security guarantee. they want something like an article 5 which says in the treaty, if one nation is attacked, all are aing tad. they will respond in that way. that is what they want. the discussion has just started. this is just the beginning of the conversation of this. but nations are taking it seriously, discussing it themselves, amongst themselves. and i think there is an argument