if we had known it was not accurate, we would have found other ways to constrain him. i think the secretary felt very particularly coming from the military background that he did, he felt strongly about that. look, i understand the sense of regret. if we had known what the real truth was, we wouldn t have taken the actions we did. we would have found other ways to constrain him. martha: i don t know if you remember your last interaction with colon powell. he pulled away from your party the last several years, voted against john mccain, voted against president trump. your thoughts on that part of his story. he said he didn t belong to either party in a not so long ago interview. no, he had become disenchanted with the drift of the republican party. but you could still have cordial relationships with him. i saw him at a lunch in washington d.c. at vernon jordan s house. i by accident ran into him at the airport in jamaica.