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Transcripts For MSNBCW Ronan Farrow Daily 20140806

General demilitarization. That is the sure way to guarantee that this conflict will not repeat itself. And im very glad that secretary kerry and others have put forward the need to demill ta rise gaza. This is a longstanding palestinian obligation yet to be fulfilled. Setting a new longterm goal is important for israel, its important for the people of gaza and for all of us who want to see an end to the violence and an end to the suffering. Every civilian casualty is a tragedy. A tragedy of hamas own making. I think the nobel loriat said it well when he said hamas is engaging in child sacrifice and this is something for which it must be held accountable, for the sake of all our children, it must not be allowed to get away with this. Thank you, Prime Minister. Well now do questions. Questions are being asked of Prime Minister netanyahu right now. We cant hear them because the reporters are not miked but were waiting his responses. The second question, if i may, weve seen in the west bank operations, the gaza operations a rise in attacks in jerusalem, violence in jerusalem, and i just wanted to get the response spread about the violence. Thank you. Thank you. We have started dealing with the tunnels. First of all, we were going to deal with the threats posed from gaza either by military means or diplomatic means. One of the two or both. We began dealing with the first tunnel before the egyptian initiative. I dont know if youre aware of it, but we had information about an impending attack from one terror tunnel and we took action before we had the air attacks on before we had the attacks and the response to their rocketing attacks, we actually dealt with one tunnel. If we could have dealt with the rest of the tunnels through the egyptian proposal, which had an immediate ceasefire, as we have now, and both sides can raise the topics and specifically the issue of security would be raised that was mentioned, when we said security, we meant obviously that we would bring up the questions of the tunnels, could we deal with it through nonmilitary means and the other threat against israel, thats preferable. As it turns out, hamas rejected this and therefore we had to deal with it with military means. By doing the by actually going in. That first tunnel was struck from the air. Its very hard to achieve that result from the air. You either achieve it by agreement or by going into the other side, finding the points of origin of the tunnel or a point of origin, identifying the trajectory of the tunnel and then dismantling it or destroying it through various means. If we could have done it diplomatically, fine. The army just told us we completed this activity and then we went out. We went in to deal with the tunnels, we went out after dealing with the tunnels. The jerusalem question. Well, obviously were concerned. We hope that everyone, everyone will work now to calm the situation. That has been our goal from the very beginning in jerusalem, everywhere, the palestinian areas. We dont need to see loss of life there any more than we want to see it on the gaza front. I want to make sure you mentioned the temple mounts. I want to make sure that everyone knows that israel respects the status quo on the temple mount. We know the traditional rule of the kingdom of jordan and we are not about to change it. Cnn in the front row. That was israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying hamas must be held accountable, saying that israel has abided by ceasefires and that hamas actually rejected the july 15th ceasefire and saying that everything could have been avoided had that not been the case, calling for the world to respond to them. Were going to keep listening to that and come back to you if theres news out of that. Heres other stories at the top of the hour. A twostar Major General was killed yesterday. The body of Harold Greene will be flown to the u. S. They believe the army, as well as afghanistan and america, has lost a true hero today. He really believed in what he was doing over there. Were learning more about that insider attack that left the general dead and nearly 20 others injured. General greene was among a group inspecting a new tank when an afghan soldier opened fire in a nearby barracks. He was shot five times. He was the highest active duty killed since world war ii. These are new photos of Sergeant Bergdahl as he is preparing for questioning. His lawyer said this about the accusations of desertation. Some of the things that they have said is false. Did he dessert . Were not going to get into that because were not going to try the case on television. Bergdahl was freed by a prisoner swap in may after five years in taliban captivity. And at this hour, a federal Appeals Court in cincinnati is hearing samesex marriage cases from four different states at the same time. This is the Biggest Issue to hit the court yet. Plaintiffs from kentucky, michigan, ohio, and tennessee will argue that they have a constitutional right to marry. Heres a breakdown of that. The first three are about the right to marry inside of those states. Ohio is a little different. Its about whether that state has to recognize out of state marriages. Ohioan wanted his husbands name on his death certificate but. Its a more conservative panel of three judges, so i dont know. I want to believe it will be another win but if it isnt, im not stopping. Nbc justice respond Pete Williams is following this story. Thanks, pete. Gay rights activists have won these, almost 20 times so far. But constitutional law professors say this could be the first victory for the other side. Why is that . They have won all of the victories so far since the defense of marriage act. Some are saying that the sixth circuit there is a democratic appoi appointee that this circuit could go the other way. Its risky to handicapped the outcome based on the party who appointed these judges given that some of the decisions below that have struck down bans on samesex marriage have come from judges who were appointed by republican president s. Pete, we just looked at a graphic of the three judges that are hearing the case. Its a grab bag. There is one clinton appointee, two bush appointees. The one from the bush side is a wild card. What do we know about these judges . I guess youre talking about jeff sutton, the one on the left there. Right. He surprised some people by declaring that obamacare was constitutional, which to some extent was a different direction than many republicanappointed judges the direction that they had been going in as that case reached the Supreme Court two years ago. For everyone at home wondering why these cases are being decided together and why in ohio, why is that . The little arc of states that you showed, they are all part of the same federal judicial circuit. Thats the whole sixth circuit right there. Right next to that is the seventh circuit. Were going to have arguments in wisconsin and indiana in a couple of weeks and then from the ninth circuit, the two states that are not shown in yellow, which is idaho and nevada, they will be going to the ninth circuit, too. Remember, the tenth circuit has decided a samesex marriage case. They chose to hear those separately for the case of economy now, the federal courts are saying, lets get on with it. The legal issues are the same. The constitutional issues are the same. So lets lump them all together. Pete williams, thank you for sorting that out for us. You bet. And so if this court does decide against gay marriage, it would leave federal courts divided. Gloria allred is joining us and a former adviser to president clinton on lgbt issues. Thank you both for being here. Gloria, if this federal Appeals Court finds it unconstitutional, what recourse do these plaintiffs have . Well, it may well be that ultimately u. S. Supreme court is going to have to grapple with this issue, ronan, because when they struck down the defense of marriage act, they did not go to the merits of whether or not it is unconstitutional for a state to ban Marriage Equality. I challenged the ban on Marriage Equality in california in 2004. We fought that for six years. Twice to the california Supreme Court. We won the right in california for our clients, robin tyler and diane olson to be married and also thousands of couples to be married. However, the u. S. Supreme court has not decided the merits. Justice kennedy is going to be the swing vote. He thinks theres a liberty interest that we shouldnt have twotiered marriages, one for heterosexuals. It is demeaning to samesex couples not to be able to marry and they have the right to dignity under the United States constitution. And the decision overturning doma argued just on that grounds, that it denies them dignity. Richard, youve written in the new yorker, that this may be the final stages for Marriage Equality. Why do you think that is . Well, since the windsor decision last summer, weve seen this incredible explosion of these cases which have all gone in favor of gay marriage, all in favor of gay rights proponents. Even though gloria is absolutely right, in the Supreme Court, they did not decide whether there was a constitutional right to marriage, the reasoning that they have taken on the issue have said that we have to find that there is a federal constitutional right to samesex marriage. Now if i dont think they are going to lose in the sixth circuit after the argument today but if they did, it would provide a divide. The Fourth Circuit has ruled and the tenth circuit has ruled in favor of gay marriage. So now were at the sixth circuit. If theres a division, the Supreme Court would most likely take the case. I a agree. And i want to say how proud i am of individuals who are gay and lesbian who are not going to stand for denial of their rights and they are going to win the right to marry. I personally am going to perform a marriage for a gay couple in ten days and im looking forward to that. Thank you. And youve been a great champion of this. Well, thank you very much. Its about equality for everyone. It is about equality. Theres this incredible sound of senator rand paul responding to a question about whether he would support legislation of marriage explicitly between a man and woman . I am in favor of traditional marriage which has been in effect for thousands of years and the loss of the idea of marriage is really probably the leading cause of poverty in our country. Ive got to say, im a rand paul fan. I dont want to caricature him. He said that comes from having children out of wedlock. The poverty stance is because of deadbeat dads and that is the number one reason that women are living in poverty with their children. The failure of the legislature, the congress to pass laws which make it easier to collect Child Support from these deadbeat dads forces them on to aid. And hes so out of sync. In a few short years, that seems so out of sync. It already does. Appreciate both of your insights on this. Gloria allred, richard, pleasure to have you on. 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Writebol was wheeled in on a stretcher covered in protective gear. On the other hand, in africa, the outbreak of ebola is getting worse by the day. New cases in guinea, liberia, sierra leone. And today, a milestone ten years and 4 billion miles in the making. A manmade spacecraft entered a comets orbit. Its called rosetta. Take a look at this animation from the European Space agency. You can see the satellites path as it dovetails with the comet. Later, rosetta will release a small probe that will land on the comets surface. And back here on earth, its being called the largest data breach ever. 1. 2 million, roughly the same as china. The breach impacted around 420,000 websites, from small sites to fortune 500 companies. Joining me here on the set is Anthony Roman and maggie, Senior Writer for cnet. Thank you both for being here. Anthony, the group claiming responsibility for this is cyber they are similar except at the top of their game to other cyber rings in europe. They have no extradition so they are beyond the reach of the law. They compromise local Law Enforcement through bribery and they have been successful. To date, this crime ring along with the others, compromised 500 billion. Its a bigger economic terrorist threat that could bring down the country in huge ways and its a significant story. Maggie, on an individual level, though, what actions can people take, especially given that thus far the firms tracking this have refused to reveal who exactly is affected well, i think everyone should assume that they have been affected and change your passwords for critical sites that you have. For all of the Financial Institutions that you deal with, social media, you dont want anybody out there trying to impersonate you or lift information that they can use to impersonate you. And then, you know, do this on a frequent basis. You want to make sure that youre always updating instead of just waiting until an attack. We just mentioned that the group that actually uncovered this, a group called hold security based out of milwaukee and gave this information to the times is not going to disclose whos affected, which sites are impacted because they have clients that they have nondisclosure agreements with. Anthony, given that this keeps happening, we saw this with target, that Company Volume lun tearily disclosed who was affected. Thats up to the legislature. This is such a new crime. This is such a Global Impact that its taking time to catch up with regard to new legislation. Should there, shouldnt there . Well, that depends on all of the privacy laws of a particular country. So it has greater impact in our initial consideration. Maybe corporations dont want their information put out to the public that they have been compromised. So there are a lot of factors that go into it that has to be carefully considered and well see what happens in the near future. Maggie, do you think there should be legislation . Absolutely. In 47 states there are some laws that are locking at this. The problem is we dont have anything at the federal level and the problem with that is that if you dont have companies who are disclosing this, who are not being open about it, not only does it hurt consumers as the attacks are happening, it doesnt give us enough data. If companies are hiding this data, if they are not being forthcoming about it, we dont know what the true cost is or how the attacks are manifesting or how they are getting in there. So certain cases are studied but we really need more transparency and more disclosure so that Companies Know how much this really costs them. You brought up a figure, you know, we dont really know what the true cost is of this to businesses. And until companies i assume they would understate that pub electrically. Right. And the truth is, though, if its not affecting the bottom line, companies are not going to act. I think what we see over and over is security in i. T. Departments, its kind of like a back office place and its not in the forefront. Its not seen as something that is as important as it should be and thats something that needs to change if were going to really protect consumer data, we really need this to be top of mind. Were talking about private attacks but this could signal larger vulnerabilities. Do you see this as extending to government targets, anthony . It does extend to government targets. We have to look at the investigative perspective with regard to public des closure, whether its the government being compromised or a private individual or a corporation. Keeping it secret does have its benefits for a fixed period of time because it does help us pursue the criminals. If they dont know we know, then we can track them electronically. I think if you go back and look at aviation, until we had the government investigating these crashes, why they happened and there was more transparency, you had a lot of companies wanting to disclose that. This is an issue that definitely needs more sunlight. Anthony, maggie, appreciate you both being here. Coming up, weve got a heavy hitter with us. Samantha power, u. S. Ambassador to the united nations, is going to talk to us about a terrorist proceeding ground that you should know about. Stay with us. [ male announcer ] we all deserve a good nights sleep. Thankfully, theres zzzquil. Its not for colds, its not for pain, its just for sleep. Because sleep is a beautiful thing™. Zzzquil. The nonhabit forming sleep aid from the makers of nyquil®. Today, more and more people with type 2 diabetes are learning about longacting levemir®, an injectable insulin that can give you blood sugar control for up to 24 hours. And levemir® helps lower your a1c. 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