So what is the administrations plan to house the children or to reunite the families . My guest this morning republican senator James Langford of oklahoma and independent senator angus king of maine who caucuses with the democrats. Also, Refugee Crisis. Why are so many people from Central America coming to the United States . What are they fleeing . Richard engel of nbc news has a report from his trip to el salvador. And political culture wars. White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders is asked to leave a restaurant because she works for President Trump. Her father, Mike Huckabee tweets this picture with the caption, nancy pelosi introduces her Campaign Committee. Is all of this The New Normal . Joining me for insight and analysis are nbc news capital news correspondent kasie hunt, and Erick Erickson editor of the resurgent. Welcome to sunday. Its Meet The Press. The longestrunning show in television history, this is Meet The Press with chuck
families a year that are coming at the United States as a family unit. Lets go to some specifics here because we havent gotten a lot of answers from the Trump Administration, maybe you have gotten some of these answers. Maybe theyre fulfilling their duty to at least let you know whats going on in congress. Do you know how many of these kids that have been separated how many of them are in shelters . How many of them are at Detention Facilities and how many of them are in foster care. Do you know how many are a good idea with the categories. We know where every single child is. This is an issue thats gone out there in some of the other media and its not been responsible with this with the assumption that the administrations lost track of that. So let me clarify a couple of things. These are Career Professionals that work with hhs and that work with dhs and customs and Border Patrol and i. C. E. These are not political appointees and they are career
adult they came with so the child and adult they came with, we dont know if that is the parent. Oftentimes the parent that is somewhere in the country oftentimes illegally, as well. They came with another relative and so to be able to connect the dots to see if we connect them with their parent thats here in the country and connect them going through procedures and whatever that may be and yes, we are able to connect them as well. The child, you identify the parent and the child, then what happens . Is the parent brought to where the child is . Are they sent to a separate facility . What can you tell us about that situation . Its a mixture. We are trying to work through the process to connect through the adult and some of the adults are given an ankle Monitoring System and an Ankle Bracelet and they get a notice to appear
hearing and as you put in your leadin which was very well done. The Flores Settlement from 1997 says that you can only hold that job for 20 days and it takes about 35 days to get a hearing. What the court set up in 1997 was this conundrum. You have to either release them as they come as a family when they come into the country and hope they show up. To be very clear, only 2 of the family units that come to the United States illegally actually go through and actually had the notice to appear, finished up with the notice of removal and actually leave the country. So the family units that are coming here. 98 of them end up somewhere in the country, most of them illegally because they never actually leave after theyre given the responsibility for an order of removal. Your congressional fix here and lets get to the 20day conundrum. The Trump Administrations asking for relief from the courts. Theyre probably not going to get it because the Obama Administration asked for the very same relief. Hearing. Are you in favor of using Military Bases to house these families . It appears dhs has made a request to the defense department. Is that something you think is a good idea. President obama used basis for the minors and some were in my home state in oklahoma which by the way, members of congress from my state tried to visit those facilities that are in my state where President Obama was holding the unaccompanied minors and they were turned away at the door and told they were not allowed in. This is something new the Trump Administration is doing blocking people out. No, its the exact same policy hhs had before. We made an appointment and after we made an appointment we were able to go through the process. Should that be the process or should there be more transparency . Do you think the white house has been fully transparent with the American Public about what theyre trying to do here . I dont, actually. This has been one of the great frustrations. The white house has not been clear on how bad the Flores Settlement is. They tried to say it, say it and say it. You shouldnt allow just anyone
to view a spot with children. This has been policy, if youre coming to the location where theres children, we need to know who you are and we have to know background and we cant trust that you have an i. D. And if you do that you can get in as a member of Congress Just like President Obama had the children at a Military Base as well. My final question is whether the president is creating more problems or making it harder to solve by the rhetoric hes using. This is how hes described people coming across the border just this week, senator. Take a listen. They could be murderers and thieves. They endanger all of our children. Millions of people flowing up and just overtaking the country. Theyre human traffickers, theyre coyotes. Were getting some real beauties. We want people in our country based on merit. Not based on a draw where other countries put their absolute worse in a bin and they start drawing people. Do you believe that rhetoric demonizes immigrants and makes your job harder . It does, actually, but the challenge of it is there is a percentage where the president is absolutely correct on that. Whats the percentage . The percentage is pretty small. It is. It is pretty small. To do two for two go ahead, sorry. I would prefer the president would say the folks are coming for check reasons they want to be flee into an area where they have greater Economic Opportunities. Every family wants to be able to see that for their family, but there are also some individuals that are there. On average, every day dhs stops or interdicts ten people that are on the Terror Watch List trying to come into the country. So i have a real concern that were demonizing Law Enforcement folks that really are trying to be able to do their job because there are very real threats, but the vast majority of individuals are coming for economic reasons and theyre coming from Central America and theyre not fleeing to costa rica, belize or ecuador
who have great asylum laws. Theyre coming to the United States because they want the Economic Opportunities and not just asylum and theyre trying to come for economic gains and i dont blame them for that, but to tell you the truth, 1. 1 Million People a year become citizens legally and this can be done legally, but the challenge is for those individuals thats a much smaller number that are doing it illegally, how do you process that . Senator langford, im going to leave it there. Thank you for coming on and sharing your views. Much appreciate it. Thank you. Joining me from brunswick, maine, is independent. I want a perspective from the other side of the aisle. Good to be with you, chuck. Are we misnamed this . Is this a Refugee Crisis more than it is a migrant or Immigration Crisis . Think it is. I think thats exactly right. Its more of an asylum and refugee. Its important to make distinctions. These are almost entirely people
coming from Central America and not mexico, particularly honduras, el salvador and guatemala, and theyre fleeing violence and thats one of the reasons that this deterrent may not work, if youre looking down the barrel of a gun in your home community, whatever your chances are to get to a free country, youre going to take it in order to save your familys life. So if that really is what were talking about here and this is different from, very different from the waves of Illegal Immigrants coming across the border 15, 20 years ago, mostly from mexico, simply looking for jobs. Mexican migration has diminished enormously. If it is if you believe it should be treated more as a Refugee Crisis. For instance, how we handled the cubans in the 50s and the 60s and vietnamese in the 70s. How has the approximately see changed does the government intervention, should it be different if its a Refugee Crisis . Well, yeah, because if youre
crossing the border illegally with no claim of asylum or refugee status, then thats a crime and we have a process for deportation. People have people coming to claim asylum are not Illegal Immigrants and under the law they have a right to establish their claim of asylum that are in legitimate fear for their life and theyre fleeing persecution in their country and that applies to people from other parts of the world, but you have that right and the problem is James Langford mentioned this. We dont have enough judges and theres a bureaucratic backlog to get adjudicated. What do you do with the people in the interim and the Administration Made a terrible choice of separating children from their parents and now theyre saying well, well keep them together and well keep them together in detention. I dont think thats a necessary choice either. Theres a lot of data that there are alternatives to detention that can still ensure that people show up for their court
hearing which by the way are a lot cheaper for the taxpayers. Very quickly on this senator langford, hes leaving to fix the Flores Amendment and you heard a lot of ways to do that, defund it completely and make it something and the administration cant do it and extend it to 60 days rather than 20 days. What do you favor and i know a bill with senator feinstein, but theres no republican support, and i assume its a bipartisan deal. Are there things that you can support . Well, there are a number of proposals kicking around and i was in a meeting in Susan Collins office and it was very interesting sitting next to Dianne Feinstein and ted cruz. Ted cruz and dianne both have a bill. The opportunity to vote for a
feinstein cruz bill. Theyre talking about not separating and talking about some alternatives and this is where the discussion is, does it have to be detention . I dont like the defunding idea and thats essentially saying, you know, the courts, were not going to listen to you. I dont think that makes sense, but i think some additional time may be true, but i want to talk about how do we deal with these people . The other thing, chuck, weve got to talk about is whats going on in these countries and why is this surge coming toward us. Right. In fact, before the program this morning james and i were talking about going to Central America. Hes been there a couple of times. Right. And trying to figure out what can we do to stabilize those regimes so people dont feel they have to run for their lives to america. Im curious, considering what
happened in 2014 when the Obama Administration was tackling essentially the same surge of folks coming from Central America. The Obama Administration didnt exactly welcome those folks with open arms either. The goal was, while they didnt separate, the goal was to get them back to the home country as quickly as possible. Was that a mistake in hindsight . I think they were overwhelmed. If you go back and read about that period, and i went with a couple of other senators to mcallen, texas, during that period to see how these kids were being treated. The difference between then and now, three years ago they were unaccompanied kids. Whats happened this time is kids are coming with their families, with their parents and theyre being separated and thats what i think caused this firestorm, but there clearly has to be a better way to deal with this, and i think there are alternatives to detention, more judges and more timely processing of these things because were a nation of immigrants, number one, except for the africanamericans who were brought here, against their will and the native american, but all the rest of us are immigrants and also asylum seekers. The pilgrims were escaping religious persecution. Right. Andrew sullivan argues this
week, just give trump his wall. He used more colorful language than that and go get something for it if youre the democrats. Give him his wall because maybe there will be more heart in the rest of these policies and the rest of this Migrant Crisis. Are you there yet . Give the president has wall and figure this out . Ironically, chuck, we did that. Mike grounds and i had an amendment and it was the one that got the most votes on the floor of the senate. We got 54 votes. It was in a sense daca for the wall, and the wall was fully funded. The Democratic Caucus voted, i think, 46 out of 48 member, and 49 members for it. That was a hard sell, but the white house itself torpedoed the bill. They threatened to veto and they sent out a Scurrilous Press Release from dhs and we had the votes. We had probably 65, 67 votes. They killed it. They had the wall in their hand and they let it go because they wanted more and the question is they keep sort of raising the ante and saying you have to
limit legal immigration. Youve got to change this. Youve got to change that and thats one of the problems is we never know what the goal line is. Want to show you a movement growing on the democratic side of the aisle and a hash tag, abolish i. C. E. Referring to the Enforcement Agency when it comes to immigration. Listen to Kamala Harris said about the idea of abolishing i. C. E. I think theres no question that we have to critically reexamine i. C. E. And its role and the way it is being administered and we probably need to think about starting from scratch. What do you make of that . Is i. C. E. The bigger problem here . I dont i dont know how you abolish an agency without abolishing the function and i think the function is necessary. As far as what she said about examining what theyre doing, thats absolutely what we should do and its our responsibility to provide oversight and ultimately there would have to be an agency. Before i. C. E. There was ins and there was a way to enforce the Immigration Laws in the country, but taking a look at how theyre doing it and how theyre approaching it. The question we had we had a Border Patrol stop up here in maine a couple of weeks ago. Is that constitutional . Do we stop american citizens in the middle of a highway and ask for their papers . There are a lot of questions to be answered. I dont know if i say abolish. I dont think that makes a lot of sense, but i do think looking at it makes a hell of a lot of sense. Senator angus king, independent senator from maine, thanks for coming on and sharing your views, sir. Thanks, chuck. When we come back, more on whats behind the border crisis. You heard both senators refer to the issue in Central America. Nbc news chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel is back from el salvador, one of the countries where life is so
desperate people are willing to risk everything, including child separation to get here. Thats next. Oh, you brought butch. Yeah butch growls at man hes looking at me right now, isnt he . Yup. butch barks at man butch is like an old soul that just hates my guts. laughs vo you can never have too many faithful companions. Thats why i got a subaru crosstrek. Love is out there. Find it in a subaru crosstrek. Richard engel returned last night from a trip to el salvador where he reported why people are willing to risk this dangerous journey and Family Separation to come to the United States and richard joins me now from seaside, california, where we made him stop here to get on our show. Richard, thanks very much. Let me start with this. Normally im talking to you and youre in a war zone somewhere, maybe youre in syria, maybe youre in north africa or maybe somewhere in asia, but here you are in Central America. Does it feel like the war zones you cover when you cover the war . Reporter it felt very much like a war zone, a lowgrade war zone and there were places in el salvador where you cant go, and where the police and government dont feel safe to go. Were talking about a population of 100,000 active gang members and when you have that many people with guns and when you have a government that doesnt feel in control of the capital city, then youre having a war zone dynamic. People we talked to said theyre afraid to go out in the
countryside. When they do they see gang members carrying their weapons openly. There are gang checkpoints stopping you, asking you where youre from and what affiliation you have and if they dont like your answers they will kill you and drop you in the street. We went to a prison and met very hardcore gang members and one of them bragged to us that hed killed 35 people just himself and when you have that number of dangerous people who feel that emboldened it is not surprising that people want to leave the country and seek different opportunities and dont want their children to get sucked into the gang life and have them become the next generation of killers or victims. In some ways youve spent way too much time in syria for us at nbc. Compare the story in el salvador. How much of that country are they actually governing and how much of it are the gangs in charge of this. Is it like syria where you had
parts of the country governed by certain entities . Reporter well, not just the 100,000 people or so who are active gang members, there are some estimates that you have to multiply that number by five or ten to get the real number of people who are actually affiliated with gangs, supported with gangs, make their lively hood with gangs and this is a small country, el salvador. Were only talking 6. 5 Million People. That is roughly one in ten people there is either a gang member or makes their livelihood from a gang member. Were talking about 10 of the population, just of the population living outside the law, and this is a population that is armed. So they are able to control and exert their will over a lot more of the percentage than that. So there are large parts of the country that are not fully under the governments control. Im curious, you spent a lot of times on the front lines covering the Migrant Crisis into southern europe. Give me some similarities,
differences between what you witnessed with this Migrant Crisis coming up from Central America. So you were talking to a lot of your guests earlier. Is this a Refugee Crisis from Central America or a Migrant Crisis . Usually theyre always mixed together. You have people fleeing from war zones and people actively afraid for their lives and want more Economic Opportunities. But what i havent seen before is this Family Separation. As i was there in Central America, watching the people try to leave, watching them be deported back home i remembered covering this massive migration crisis that was in europe a few years ago, and we saw lots and lots of refugees and lots and lots of migrants, but we didnt see authorities deliberately separating people from families. They didnt see it as necessary and productive. I was in hun garry and hungary has most aggressive, hardline,
antiImmigration Crisis and people are coming into hungary, and i remember one image seared in my brain, they were on the bus and people on the bus started becoming hysterical. They were shouting and under guard and very agitated. What happened is one of the Family Members on the bus had gotten separated from their child so everybody on the bus started to scream. The bus stopped. They opened the windows and people on the ground lowered raised the child, raised the baby on to the bus so the family could Stay Together and the family drove off, the bus drove off. Even in hungary that has one of the most antiimmigration policy in the world right now, they were stopping the busses and making sure the people could be reunited with their families because they didnt want to inflict any more trauma on to the people, so they could control the situation and not cause unnecessary agitation and stress. Richard engel, youve seen quite a bit of this in your travels around the world, richard. Thanks for your reporting. Much appreciated. Before we go to break, a quick programming note. Jacob soboroff, tonight hell be reporting on the crisis on dateline sunday called The Dividing Line it airs at 7 00, 6 00 central. Well be right back with the panel and Donald Trumps first very real retweet as president. vo new purely fancy feast filets. Like nothing you, or she, has ever seen. Filets of 100 real natural chicken or seafood. Handcrafted, and served any way she wants. Purely fancy feast filets. Love is in the details. So allstate is giving us money back on our bill. Well, that seems fair. We didnt use it. Wish we got money back on gym memberships. Get money back hilarious. With claimfree rewards. Switching to allstate is worth it. At t provides edgetoedge intelligence, covering virtually every part of your manufacturing business. So this wont happen. Because youve made sure this sensor and this machine are integrated. She can talk to him, yes. Atta, boy. Some people assign genders to machines. And you can be sure you wont have any problems. Except for the daily theft of your danish. Not cool at t provides edge to edge intelligence. It can do so much for your business, the list goes on and on. Thats the power of. This shipment will be delivered. Back now with the panel. Stephen hayes, editor in chief of the weekly standard. Heather mcgee, nbc news capitol hill, kasie hunt and erick eriksson. Steve hayes, President Trump had his first retreat and you could argue the first guardrail that the Republican Party signed on to to erect him and reverse himself. What does that mean . It was the public pressure. The president didnt do this easily and this is an ad hoc president leaving his staff and Congressional Republicans to scramble in his wake and try to make things right. If you think about the white house line on this, the line that the president s supporters took. They went from separating families was the right thing to do, to the separating families were terrible, but democrats made us do it, its awful and only congress can fix it to the president s Executive Order has solved the problem and obviously theres inconsistency there. Youre seeing the president scramble and he doesnt know what he thinks and this is a president with a variety of positions on this broad,
immigration issue. Remember he in 2012 criticized mitt romney for his selfdeportation plan as maniacal, crazy and mean spirited and hes pushing a plan that i think wed all agree is more aggressive than mitt romneys. Heather . I think this is what the president of the United States ace in the hole. He was very clear. My people love the Family Separation thing. You would think the president saying my people would mean all of us, but no. Hes weaned on these negative images as immigrants of all kinds as criminals and gang members and he doubled down by saying holding that Press Conference by saying we have an epidemic of people being killed by undocumented immigrants when we know that immigrants, whether theyre undocumented or not commit crimes at lower rates than nativeborn americans. This is a political strategy to divide americans to make us feel like theres a sense of panic and fear and actually think any time we use the word crisis to
talk about Border Crossings that are at a 40year low, were actually feeding into that. Frankly, there are things hes doing to the economy, threats to health care, tax handout to the very wealthy that are things that he wants to distract from and thats whats happening here. He made the case, its good for me and good for the party and i thought i understand why he thinks its good for him. Its been good for his political career. What do you make of his claim that its good for the party for the midterms . This is the first time that i can remember some of his evangelical leaders speaking up and criticizing him which is significant when youve had evangelicals who stood up with him through everything and criticizing him and having to walk back and having the president who is the best negotiator, walking this back himself and i dont think this is good for the party. He thinks there are 2 billion news cycles between now and november. This isnt going to anchor the party. Kasie, this is the first time that i thought a subject that i think about this sunday is now the same subject, that im
questioning this sunday. That is a rare occasion and i think it tells you the potency of the issue. Im with you, chuck and i remember thinking the same thing last sunday as we were heading into the news week. You wonder is this the story that will be different and will carry through . Youre absolutely right that this one did, and i also think its the first time and erick mentioned the evangelical leaders and its the first time Congressional Republicans looked at something the president did and said no way. How many times have we asked ourselves, charlottesville, the muslim ban, when will Republican Leaders stand up to the president . And the answer is when we saw the awful images of children being separated and there was not a person that i could find saying this is what we should be doing. No, yes, we have problems at the border and there were disagreements among republicans about thou to handle asylum claims and should we build the wall, but to a person, no one wanted to defend this . Whats the bigger threat . How hes handling the issue of immigration or how he handles the cleanup of this. I want to bring up people who said this is his, quote, katrina. I want to put up a quote and george w. Bush wrote about katrina. Just as katrina was more than a hurricane, this is what president bush wrote, its impact was more than physical destruction, and it cast a cloud over my second term. It is possible, heather and steve that how they reunify or dont reunify becomes a Competency Issue and not a partisan issue. I would say maria has been President Trumps katrina and i think this is another similar issue where theres just this callousness and particularly to the Latino Community in this
country and in this part of the world, that shows that they really dont care and when a government doesnt care, you begin to erode the trust, and i think part of whats happened here is that we now have even with the Executive Order. We now have in every single State Hundreds of thousands of people pledging to go to the border, to go to their State Capitals on june 30th to rally. This has become a cultural flash point. I would just add to that, the main difference what you said about President Trump is that President Trump wants to exacerbate these decisions. President trump lamented those it regretted what it did. President trump wants to do this, but look, so do the democrats. It was a thoughtful, substantive conversation. By the way, they are in the 40yard line of american politics. And the politics here, i think, one of the reasons you dont have solutions to the broader Immigration Problem is because it works politically for both parties and extremes of both parties. Kamala harris talking about abolishing i. C. E. , thats the
solution where well abolish the bureaucracy . This is an agency, thats not the point. The point is, shes offering an extreme solution that doesnt actually solve any problem because somebody to build on heathers point here and i want to get casey in here, is this in the way that conserves will say abolish the irs which is sort of a ridiculous proposition and is this going to become that abolish the irs chant . I think its becoming a litmus test for this issue in potentially a 2020 primary situation and if you think about Kamala Harris in particular, she has been very consistent, quite frankly, if youre an activist on immigration, she is one of your people. She took a vote in the senate and one of only three democrats that bucked the county on a compromise. She is to the i dont quite want to describe this as to the left. Of the mainstream president ial on this issue. She is setting the bar for where that is and people, frankly, are responding and the event we went to cover and she went to visit a Detention Center where mothers were separated and they didnt organize a rally, but there were hundreds of people that showed up on the street and some with organizations and the aclu and others and they came to see her. It will be a fascinating debate if that percolates. You have angus king there and you will have the debate about i. C. E. In these primaries and let me take a quick break. When we come back, well change gears a bit and President Trump said its easy to win a trade war and there are losers in the United States and guess who most of them voted for . Before we go to break, a word about someone we lost this week and Charles Krauthammer began a career as a psychologist and became political reknowned, and a Diving Accident at the age of 22 left him a quadriplegic. Krauthammer was a neoconservative. In his tv appearances, he was tough and rigorous and never disagreeable. He appeared on Meet The Press six times and most recently he was on fox news the morning of election day with quite the farsighted prediction of what a Trump Presidency might mean. The first thing he will do is he will irreversibly reshape the party. This was the party of reagan, and the bush years were sort of an echo of the reagan years. Reagan defined the contours of the party. Trump will do that and it will be changed, particularly the most obvious issues are going to be immigration and trade. This will be a it will be a populist party. Talk about being prescient. Charles krauthammer was 68. Possibilities than ever before. And American Express has your back every step of the way whether its the comfort of knowing help is just a call away with global assist. Or getting financing to fund your business. No one has your back like American Express. So where ever you go. Were right there with you. The powerful backing of American Express. Dont do business without it. Dont live life without it. Anncr as you grow older, your brain naturally begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. Learning from him is great. When i can keep up anncr thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. Dads got all the answers. Anncr prevagen is now the numberoneselling brain Health Supplement in drug stores nationwide. She outsmarts me every single time. Checkmate you wanna play again . Anncr prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. Woman it felt great not having hepatitis c. Its like a load off my shoulders. I was just excited for it to be over. Harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of Chronic Hepatitis c. Its been prescribed to more than a quarter Million People
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how our political culture wars, whatever you want to call them these days just got a lot nastier. Back now with endgame. All right, we had a couple of interesting former republicans, i guess, calling for democrats to take control of house. Michael bloomberg, hes going to support flipping the house. He says republicans in congress have had almost two years to prove they can govern responsibly and they failed and its critical we elect people who lead in ways this congress dont. I forgot. Chevy also won a j. D. Power dependability award for its lightduty truck the chevy silverado. Oh, and since the Chevy Equinox And Traverse also won chevy is the only brand to earn the j. D. Power dependability award across cars, trucks and suvsthree years in a row. Phew. Third times the charm. Thats confident. But its not kayak confident. Kayak searches Hundreds Of Travel and Airline Sites to find the best flight for me. So im more than confident. Hows your family . Kayak. Search one and done. Whos already won three cars, two motorcycles, a boat, and an r. V. I would not want to pay that insurance bill. [ ding ] oh, i have progressive, so i just bundled everything with my home insurance. Saved me a ton of money. Love you, gary you dont have to buzz in. Its not a question, gary. On march 1, 1810 [ ding ] frederic chopin. Collapsing in 226 [ ding ] the colossus of rhodes. [ sighs ] Louise Dustmann [ ding ] brahms lullaby, or wiegenlied. When will it end . [ ding ] not today, ron. Back now with endgame. Al back now with end game. All right. We had a couple of interesting former republicans, i guess, calling for democrats to take control of house. First you had michael bloomberg. Hes going to support flipping the house. He says republicans in congress have had two years they could govern responsibly. They failed. As we approach the 2018 mid terms it is critical wee elect people would can lead in ways this congress wont. You can argue whether bloomberg was a republican before, switched to democrat. Ill take your point. How about george will . The Republican Caucus must be substantially reduced so substantially their remnants reduced to minorities will be stripped of the article 1 constitutional powers. A Legislature Whose unexercised muscles have atrophied because of people like them. Mr. Eriksson, what do you make of this . I disagree with my friend george will. I agree congress has let their muscles atrophy in legtsing congress. It is a class of pundits as opposed to a class of legislators. It is a real problem on both sides of the aisle where both sides want the issue to campaign on. I do think there is a danger for democrats, though, in that typically in the midterms you depend on an incumbent party that doesnt turnout. And the progressive culture war, the Immigration Issues and whatnot, are firing up the republican base. Kasie . You know, one risk here that i do think when i read george wills comment about difficuming these majorities, congress doesnt realize if they get really close that they dont actually if democrats dont actually win the house, youre going to be left with the narrow est of republican majorities and thats going to hand all of the power to the farright of the conference. So, if republicans, if never trump republicans want democrats to win the house, they better get their acts together and work
as hard as they can otherwise the consequence are going to be worse. Embrace your new progressive friend george will. You know, listen, i have been asking for republicans to put country over party since, since trump walked down those stairs. So i absolutely believe that this is the beginning of the change and rebirth of the Republican Party which is going to be necessary. Its too far to the fringe. We have the fringe in the white house and this country is not going to be able to be a bipartisan country in the republicans continue to have this identity. Eight steve, i would say youre in the middle of this fight inside the movement. I wont call it your party, but the Conservative Movement right. One wing versus this trump wing. Its not my party. There is no question that what youre seeing is an ideological scramble. George will is making a longterm argument. Most members of congress is living the short term. Thats the big challenge. Very diplomatic, by the way. The culture wars reared their
ugly head this weekend. We had Sarah Sanders get kicked out of a restaurant by the owner because she worked for President Trump. You had Mike Huckabee use pretty disgusting sort of tweet, picture here to describe nancy pelosi and her Campaign Committee using gang members on that. Eric eriksson, you were critical of all of it. Of all of it. And interestingly, you were almost apologetic. Your younger self might have participated in some of this. Yeah. Is this The New Normal . Is this going to get even ugly er . I think it is going to get uglier. James hodge kin is more of an anomaly than inflection point. If both sides dont rein it in, no, you started it, this happened, this happened. I had Trump Supporters show up on my front porch to threaten my family. You have the secretary of Homeland Security progressive activists show up at her house to protest her. You have people getting thrown
out of restaurants. If we cant agree to disagree and let each other be and Nielgter Side wants to do that, it becomes a problem. We have as religion in the country fades and society becomes more secular, people are finding their salvation in their morals and politics and thats a bad thing. I actually think there is a big difference between one of the most powerful people in the world, Sarah Sandehuckabee sand using her Government Platform to claim victim status. She is distracting from that and the way the policy is victimizing the least powerful people on the planet, refugee children. There is a difference between being discriminated against for who you are and being judged for what you do. And thats what we saw. Chuck, i think one thing, too, here is people the tenor of the debate on whether or not there are people across the other side of the aisle who you might be able to work with has completely fallen apart. I feel like even you see it a lot on capitol hill. You used to be there were these great alliances and friendships. Ted kennedy, al warner. People worked together and you saw that reflected in voters as well. Voters were willing to consider voting for somebody else. The tribalism of this, i just fail to see if you think that just because youre a member of the other party that there is no circumstance under which you can work with that person is scary. There is power in persuasion. Whatever happened to the golden rule, if everybody just did golden rule with the w we might be in a tiny bit better place. Thats all for today. Thanks for watching. Were going to continue this conversation. For now well be back next week because if its sunday its Meet The Press. This is a story about mail and packages. And its also a story about people. People who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams theyre handing us more than mail
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