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country superstar. >> i must tell you, tammy wynette is hopping mad. >> and meet the patron with a $2 million toy train set. my interview with the arizona police chief defending his officer for ramming a suspect with his car. as minimum wage protests erupt across america, i'll talk to the ceo setting his company's minimum wage at $70,000 a year. "all in" starts now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. hillary clinton made actual real bona fide news today, announcing a new position on a divisive national issue. it was clinton's second day on the campaign trail. she was in the caucus state of iowa, with reporters taking any opportunity to hit their deadlines. that's peter nicholas sitting in a field with his headphones. clinton started her day in a little diner of marshall town where she chatted with owners, activists and small business owners. >> great to be here. hi, how are you? hello, everybody. >> i'm running for the presidency. >> i hope so, too. >> it is fun. >> clinton then toured a food distribution company in norwalk, iowa and conducted a small business roundtable. >> unfortunately, the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top, and we need to reshuffle the cards and begin to play a different hand. a hand that includes everybody. >> when are you open? when is your bowling alley -- i'm going to be in iowa a lot >> as for that news i mentioned earlier, her campaign today said the campaign supports marriage equality. the supreme court preparing to rule on same sex marriage, clinton's message may seem like a no-brainer for a presidential candidate. it reflects an important shift. she came out in favor of same sex marriage in 2013. until now, her position has been that individual states should decide if marriage equality should be legal. now, she's calling on the supreme court to rule it a constitutional right for all. in the absence of clear competition for the nomination. clinton continues to rack up endorsements. 28 out of 44 have endorsed her, she's secured endorsements from 65 democrats in the house. joining me now, joy reid straight from the clinton campaign trail in iowa. the marriage equality news strikes me as significant if not unexpected, but again, this is a genuine shift in position. it was not the position she has normally. also a pretty important thing to say in advance of the supreme court ruling. >> absolutely, chris, i think what you're seeing is this wholesale recalibration of the entire hillary clinton brand from new democrat to the left. she's trying to get closer to the elizabeth warren brand. in addition to that, you're also seeing this recalibration away from some of the bill clinton quite frankly legacy, you've already had don't ask don't tell go down. you know, bill clinton is also the president who signed doma. you're having hillary give herself a kick off from that part of bill clinton's legacy. as you said, these are the positions she needs to have in a democratic primary. >> to the extent that it's discernable. i wonder what you feel like the atmosphere is there in iowa. i feel like there's a certain -- we called it the other day when she announced the news and opposite of news. >> it wouldn't have moved it in any direction. you know, if in some sense, i think there's a media frenzy, and an eye rolling about the pro forma nature of it. i wonder if on the ground people are excited that hillary clinton's in town? >> yeah, i mean, if you start with the most cynical and work your way back, i think that you definitely have a fair amount of, okay, we knew this was coming, i have to tell you, in the room when hillary clinton was at this town hall at a community college yesterday in monticello, the tiny little town of 3,500 people. even the most cynical part of that room, this was pretty smart, and she did a good job, she was very personable. very self-afacing, very awe in message. one of the things that has been different this year versus 2008, this woman is on message, she sticks with her, i'm going to be a champion for americans and sticks with her middle class message. you go to the other side, to iowa voters who are savvy shoppers, they know what they want to hear. they meet all the candidates, they know they're going to get courted by everyone. what we heard is a lot of people saying, it will be great to have a woman president, that was universal, whether people liked hillary clinton or didn't like her. you didn't hear a lot of spontaneous talk about things like the e-mail. that was something if you brought it up, people might have talked about it, for the most part, what i heard was openness to what she had to say. people were not coming at this cynically at all. i'm open to her, i want to hear what she has to say. >> the strangeness is born out of the fact that you have someone who is as big a figure in national politics as exists doing the thing that every candidate does, which is these small retail events in iowa. those clashing together is the veep like nature which seem like they're downright out of the hbo series. joy read, always a pleasure. >> thank you, chris. >> there are legions of people who hate hillary clinton. and the reasons they hate her are wide and deep and bizarre take this gentleman, captured by alex waltz who on a weekday got a sign made up that reads "i bet monica could handle two e-mail accounts." and decided to hold that sign in a field in iowa. it's a throw back to the era we've been revisiting each night this week. with a brand new episode for you, stand by your man gate. >> i have acknowledged wrongdoing, i have acknowledged causing pain in my marriage. i have said things to you tonight, and to the american people from the beginning that no american politician ever has. >> january 1992. questions surrounding bill clinton's personal life were dominating the news cycle. both the candidate and his wife agreed to sitdown for a post super bowl interview with "60 minutes" that almost ended clinton's quest for the white house. it would turn out the most memorable sound bite of the interview wouldn't come from bill clinton, it would come from hillary. tonight's episode, stand by your mangate. with the democratic primaries in full swing, america was learning more about a woman named gennifer flowers. >> no one wanted this presidential campaign to get sidetracked by stories of an extra marital affair, tonight that's what happened, allegations against arkansas governor bill clinton. >> she told a supermarket tabloid she had an affair with clinton. flowers called a news conference. >> yes, i was bill clinton's lover for 12 years. and for the past two years i have lied to the press about a relationship to protect him. >> while the clinton campaign had hoped the "60 minutes" interview would laid to rest any questions about the flowers affair, it may have only added fuel to the fire and created its own side controversy. driving the news cycle that week was hillary clinton's rigorous defense of her husband. >> i'm not sitting here as some little woman standing by my man like tammy wynette. i'm sitting here because i love him, and i respect him, and i honor what he's been through and what we've been through together. and you know, if that's not enough for people, then heck, don't vote for him. >> that interview was watched by tens of millions of people. not everyone was happy about it. >> well, among those watching was tammy wynette herself. mad as hell it turns out. >> the country music star whose best known song was referenced by hillary clinton was not pleased with the newfound attention. wynette wrote a letter telling mrs. clinton that she had offended every true country music fan and every person who's made it on their own with no one to take them to a white house. who could broker a peace agreement between the two? it was, of course, burt reynolds. >> he called and he said, these people are friends of mine, please have tammy talk to hillary. i said, okay. for you, i'm going to do that. so i put tammy on the phone. >> things didn't end there. >> the country singer demanded an apology from mrs. clinton, and today she got one. >> hillary clinton sat down for a prime time interview to tell the nation just how sorry she was. >> here's a question you tried to deal with the other night. why are you standing by him? >> and your reply was something to the effect you're not some little woman just standing by her man like tammy wynette, i must tell you, tammy wynette is hopping mad. >> and i'm sorry about that, and i apologized to tammy wynette if what i said offended her. i would not feel as strongly as i do that he is the right man to be president in this country at this time if i personally believed anything other than that. so my standing by him or for him -- >> you are standing by him? >> of course, we're married. >> bill clinton, of course, would go on to win the presidency. hillary clinton proved herself to be unfazed by all the scrutiny. prepared for all the battles ahead. >> anything they throw at us, i hope they realize we're not going to roll over and play dead. i think what you do is continue to be as honest as we can with the american public and to remind folks that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. >> joining me now, lynn sweet. she covered hillary clinton during the 1992 campaign. and, lynn, we've been doing these every night, and looking at all those archival footages of hillary clinton. something that stuck out to me is just how -- what a -- for lack of a better word, what a bad ass she is. she's so outspoken, so sharp, she sort of -- you know, going back and forth with dick armey, there's a serious incredible spontanaity to her. and then you also see how the press dealt with that spontaneity, which was creating tammy tammy wynette scandals. >> i think, keep in mind everyone, this is before anyone had even heard of the tv show "survivor." now, i think chris the thing here is, this was the first exposure to a lot of people of hillary clinton, her story wasn't known. it's interesting in the context of her running against the president, exactly if this will be a factor or not. but one of the things we learned early on, and she learned early on, is that people were hanging on every word he said. and people were paying attention. >> and this is -- this is a process that extends past hillary clinton, but i think it's largely true for everyone, this extends to mitt romney, i think it was true in some ways and barack obama, i remember you were the one who asked barack obama about skip gates at a press conference. getting stopped outside his house, he answered very early in his presidency, he answered very honestly, the next thing you know, he has a beer summit with a police officer, you can tell from then on, he's been much more hedged and conservative in how he talks about things, people understand you can create a whole weeks worth of stories if you're too honest. >> i think he knew that even before that july 2009 press conference, when i asked him about that question. that was just something he didn't think through. one of the things that's hard for people on the public stage every day, is that you have to be careful because sometimes it may be a few words away from creating a controversy you had not intended to. what hillary clinton was doing back then in the '92 campaign was juggling a lot of stuff. she was dealing with some problems with fidelity on her husband's front and we will know more to come in the next few years. and she was trying to feel more -- feel exactly where do i fit in in this campaign? what's my role, and perhaps foreshadowing something that michelle obama would have when she was trying to help her husband in the 08 campaign. i don't want to create a problem, i want to be a help, not a hindrance. >> you find out very quickly that the crazy rules of being a candidate or candidate's spouse. and also, you want to be yourself, because you're a fully actualized human being. you have to go out there and talk about how great your husband is. >> any of us who are speaking in public right now. you have to watch what you're saying. but what is interesting now for the millennials, the 18 to 29-year-olds, i'm curious to see how much of this they will see as interesting, but minor history, not part of the hillary clinton story. that they find is something they want to know about. >> i think that's going to be very interesting too. thank you for being here. >> still ahead, the premiere of all in's billionaire scouting report, our guide for the billionaire's bankrolling, 2016, we'll introduce you to the toy train set, who wants to make ted cruz's presidential dreams come true. we talk to the ceo who decided to make the minimum wage at his company $70,000 a year. do you have something for pain? i have bayer aspirin. i'm not having a heart attack, it's my back. i mean bayer back & body. it works great for pain. bayer back & body provides effective relief for your tough pain. better? yeah...thanks for the tip! today is the 150 year anniversary of abraham lincoln's death. after being shot by john wilkes booth while attending a play in washington, d.c., he died the following morning, this morning at 7:22 a.m. and last night, and this morning, hundreds of people gathered around ford's theater for around the clock commemoration of his assassination and death. without lincoln, of course, without lincoln ever occupying that office, there is no union, there is no united states and what ulysses s. grant would call one of the worst causes for which people fought slavery may well have triumphed. if you're going to run for president in this day and age. you're going to need a website, a url, staff, volunteers, you're also going to need more than anything else, billionaires. yes, in the post citizens united age, you need people with lots and lots of cash to fund your super pac. today we're introducing a new and recurring series here, know your billionaires, a scouting report of the men and women behind the candidates you'll see glad handing in iowa. that's both parties. joining us to help us go through the scouting report is nick reporter for the "new york times." great to have you here. >> thank you. >> i think that this is one of the most fascinating aspects of this campaign. it was sort of true in 2012. but now it's fully flourished in 2016. particularly on the republican side, there's a game of thrones thing happening. let's talk about robert mercer, he's backing ted cruise. he's believed to be the main donor to one of the keep the promise super paces. he has a $2 million model train set, and he also is in a real war with the irs. isn't he? >> that's correct. his hedge fund is basically under investigation for the way it borrows money and the way it did transactions to allow it to avoid paying $6 billion in taxes, which is quite a tax bill. this firm is also, by the way, co founded by a big democratic super pac donor, jim simons who's a big giver to democrats on this. >> they'll be hedging their bets, right? >> i can't think of hedging better than these two guys. >> some of the early press around him was a sort of question, like, did he have the big money backers to go far? and in mercer, it seems he has at least one really strong person. >> there are three pots of money now in campaign politics. small donors, medium big donors. people who write these campaign checks and billionaires. could he get the bread and butter group. if he has the grassroots fund-raising and a couple billionaires, he may not need -- >> the middle class of donors is getting squeezed like the middle class everywhere. >> that changes the game substantially. you only have a few of these guys. >> let's talk about norman braman. my support will be substantive, he's a former owner of the eagles. owns brayman motor cars. someone who has a lot of money, and in a world in which jeb bush has lined up and tied up a lot of dollars, a key asset from marco rubio. >> an ambassador in the florida community which is rich with donors for marco rubio. again, what we're going to see with guys like him, not just one candidate or two candidates with big super pacs, but probably five or six or seven candidates who will each have super packs backing them, that have 10, 20 million dollars thanks to guys like braman. >> that will allow people to go deep in this primary, if there's a guy that's going to write you $20 million in checks or fund you, you can survive some early round losses. >> it's not as good as candidate money that you can control. it's a lot better than no money you don't have. >> i want to talk about jose, who also appears to be backing marco rubio. he's been a key rubio fund-raiser. a sugar mill magnate, featured -- marco rubio hugged him right after he was making a speech about bartenders and may. he's a key player, particularly in the cuban community there. >> that's right, here's a guy that has a substantial and vested interest in policy, which is sugar and subsidies and agriculture policy. you have as the single issue donors, or at least donors with a pronounced policy interest and these candidates need them badly to get to the first couple rounds. >> we should note, there's lots of billionaires lined up behind hillary clinton. they're much less out front, we know tom styer is a big democratic donor. there's a bunch of big democratic billionaire donors, they're less out front at this point because they don't have to be because they don't have to set up the rival super packs. >> there's no primary, no competition, and the democratic pack has not started raising any money yet, we haven't seen how big it will get. if there's any democratic candidate that can get donors to pony up, republicans have already. it's hillary clinton. >> we're going to dig into those folks too as they start coming forward. with drivesense from esurance, you can earn a personalized discount based on how you drive not how someone sorta like you drives. you'll even get a discount just for signing up. esurance. backed by allstate. click or call. alaching and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested. aleve pm. the only one to combine a sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again, with aleve pm. to unlock the possibilities of tomorrow......"lift tab." behold the beauty of balance. crisp flakes of fiber-rich bran. answered by the perfect quantity of sun sweetened raisins. and with the sublime addition of ice-cold milk, the day begins. ♪sun'll come out, tomorrow♪ tomorrow is waiting. own it, with kellogg's® raisin bran see you at breakfast™. and delight in temptingly tart and sweet new kellogg's® raisin bran with cranberries. denver international is one of the busiest airports in the country. we operate just like a city and that takes a lot of energy. we use natural gas throughout the airport - for heating the entire terminal generating electricity on-site and fueling hundreds of vehicles. we're very focused on reducing our environmental impact. and natural gas is a big part of that commitment. drivers, to your marks. go! it's chaos out there. but the m-class sees in your blind spot... pulls you back into your lane... even brakes all by itself. it's almost like it couldn't crash... even if it tried. the 2015 m-class. see your authorized dealer for exceptional offers through mercedes-benz financial services. ugh... ...heartburn. did someone say burn? 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