public meeting which is what zef zelensky was seeking. it is an odd set of coincidences i guess or an odd set of circumstances. again, i would turn to zelensky himself who said that this was his fear that the two were connected. >> and carol, likelihood, chance, that this whistleblower at some point comes forward? >> i think a lot of that is being worked out behind the scenes right now. the whistleblower has got to have reasons to be concerned legally about revealing anything that they are not supposed to. their career is on -- in the middle of all of this, a concern. it has to be a concern. and then there is the possibility of retaliation and retribution. the president has already made plain without ostensibly knowing who the whistleblower is that the whistleblower is a partisan hack, so there has to be fear