Transcripts For KPIX Face The Nation 20170430

Very good job at it. Next wenr traveled with him o a factory where he signed the 32nd executive order of his presidency and said hi to some supporters. We love you. Thank you. Dickerson and this was the day to love his job and list his accomplishments. I am signing away. I have signed 29 new bills, a record not surpassed since the truman administration. Dickerson with no critics in sight the president returned the love. The future belongs to all of you, so with hope in ourselves and patriotism in our hearts, i say these words to you tonight on 100 days of devotion, hard work and love for our great country. Together, we will make america strong again. Willnr make america wealthy again. We will make america prosper again. We will make america proud again. We will make america safe again. And we will make America Great again. Thank you, god bless you thank you thank you dickerson and at the end of the day a private celebration with the staff on air force one. [ applause ] congratulations to everybody. We all deserve it. This was a tough go and it was really fun. And i just want to congratulate everybody and now we are going to do a great job for the american people. Thank you. [ applause ]. Dickerson 100th day of the Trump Administration, i its higs and lows coming up on face the nation. Good morning and welcome to face the nation. I am john dickerson. On this 101st day of the Trump Administration we begin with our wideranging interview of the president , taped yesterday in the roosevelt room at the white house. We asked him about the news that north korea had fired yet another test missile late last week. How he has changed his thinking on china and what he has learned in his first 100 days in office. Mr. President , you and the administration said to north korea, dont test a missile, they have tested a missile, is the pressure not working . Well, i didnt say dont test test a missile. He will have to do what he has to do but he has to understand we wont be very happy and i will tell you a man i have gotten to like and respect, the president of china, president xi, i believe has been putting pressure on him also, but so far perhaps nothing has happened and perhaps it has. This was a small missile, this was not a big mills mills, this was, missile, this was not a nuclear test he was expected to do three days ago. We will see what happens. Dickerson you say not happy, what does that mean. I would not be happy if he does nuclear testily not be happy and i will tell you also i dont believe the president of the china, who is a very respected man will be happy either. Dickerson not happy mean military action . I dont know, i mean we will see. Dickerson the chinese are allies, have been allies with north korea, how do you know if they are not using this to test you. You cant be sure of anything, but we developed a close relationship, i dont think they want to see a destabilized north korea, they dont want to see it and certainly dont want to see nuclear on from their neighbor. They havent liked it for a long time, but we will have to see what happens. The relationship i have with china, it has been already acclaimed as being something very special, something very different than what we ever that had, but again, you know, we will find out whether or not president xi is able to affect change, i heap he is. Dickerson why do these missiles keep blowing up . Well, i would rather not discuss it, but perhaps they are just not very good missiles but eventually he will have good missiles. Dickerson you dont want to discuss it because maybe we have something to do with it . I dont want to discuss it and i think yo you know they vey well you asked me many times over the last couple of years about military, i said we shouldnt be announcing we are going into mosul, we shouldnt be announcing all of our moves, it is a chess game, i just dont want people to know what my thinking is, so eventually he will have a better Delivery System and if that happens, we cant allow it to happen. Dickerson what do you make of the north Korean Leader . I really you know, have no comment on him. People are saying is he sane . I have no idea. I can tell you this, a lot of people dont like when i say it, but he was a young man of 26 or 27 when he took over from his father, when his father died. He is dealing with obviously very tough people, in particular the generals and others, and at a very young age he was able to assume power a lot of people i am sure tried to take that power away. Whether it was his uncle or anybody else and he was able to do it, so obviously he is a pretty smart cookie, but we have a situation that we just cannot let we cannot let what has been going on for a long period of years continue, and frankly, this should have been done and taken care of by the obama administration, should have been taken care of by the bush administration. Should have been taken care of by clinton. Dickerson let me ask you a question about the presidency. George w. Bush said this about being president. He said, you think one thing going in and then the pressures of the job or the realities of the world are different than you thought. Do you agree . I think i can agree with that. I love doing it. You know, i am thoroughly enjoying it. It is always a challenge like life itself is a challenge, but it is something that i really love and i think i have done a very good job at it. You said in an interview with reuters that you thought it would be easier. Why . Well, it is it is a tough job but i have had a lot of tough jobs. I have had things that were tougher, although i will let you know that better at the end of eight years, perhaps at eight years, hopefully eight years but i will let you know later on. I think we have done very well with Foreign Policy. I think we have done very, very well with relationships with other leaders. I think we are doing great on trade deals. It is set and i think we are doing well. I mean our country is being out traded at every single point and we are losing tremendous amounts of money on trade. And i think actually i have been very consistent. , you know, it is very funny when the fake media goes out, what we call the Mainstream Media, which i must say sometimes is you. Me personally . I love your show. I call it deface the nation, but, you know, your show is sometimes not exactly correct. But when they talk a about currency manipulation and i did say i would call china if they were a currency manipulator early in my tenure and then i get there, number one, they, as soon as i got elected they stopped, they are not going it is not going down any more, their currency. Dickerson but that had been true before during the camp ip no, not true to the september we are talking about, but much more important than that as to when. Dickerson . It did stop and i was talking about it all during the campaign and i would say that i was the one that got them to stop, but forget that. Dickerson you were the one that got them to stop during the campaign i talked about. Dickerson even if they were doing it before. I mean there was no question. I mean they were absolute currents manipulators before but somebody said you didnt call them a currency manipulator. We are talking about how he is working. I believe that president xi is working to try to resolve a very being problem for china also and that is north korea. Can you imagine if i say, hey, by the way how are you doing with north korea . Also we are going to announce you are a currency manipulator tomorrow. So the Mainstream Media never talks about that, they never say that and it is unfortunate. It is one of many things, john. Dickerson you are a negotiator, if you need something from somebody, you need china to help you with north korea, doesnt that 7 a message to china, we are not going to bug you about human rights, about intellectual property, in a South China Sea we wont put too much heat on you, arent you breaking one of your own negotiating rules . , no frankly i think maybe north korea is more important than trade, trade is very important, but massive warfare with millions potentially, yicials of people being killed . That as we would say trumps trade,. Dickerson . You understand what i am saying and if i can use trade as method to get china because i happen to think that china does have reasonably good powers over, over north korea. Now, maybe hot, you know, ultimate but pretty good powers. Now, if china can help us with north korea and can solve that problem, that is worth making not as good a trade deal for the United States, excuse me, right . Dickerson what do you know now on day 100 you wish you knew on day one of the presidency . Well, one of the things that i have learned is how dishonest the media is, really, i have done things that are, i think very good, i have done, i have set great foundations with foreign leaders, we have, you know, nafta, as you know, i was going to terminate it but i got a very nice call from a man i like, the president of mexico, i got a very nice call there justin trudeau, the Prime Minister of canada, and they said please, would you rather than terminating nafta, i was all set to do it and i was going to do it today as we are sitting here i would have had to delay you, i was going to do it today and terminate nafta but they called up and said, would you negotiate . And i said, yes, i will negotiate. Dickerson thats all you have learned about the media you knew from the campaign about the media, you have said it all the time. But the media didnt cover it that way, the media said i didnt terminate nafta. Look at my statements. If i am not able to renegotiate nafta i will terminate nafta i will make that question right now if i am not able to renegotiate nafta we will terminate rcy dickerson president s have to learn how to adapt, everybody comes in the job and it is different than what they think, and certainly you learned Something Else besides the media is dishonest. No, no. It is one of my disappointments. Dickerson give me another thing you learned that you going to adapt and change because all president s do. I think things tend to go slower than you could like them to go. Dickerson why . System, it is just a very, very bureaucratic system. I think the rules in congress and in particular the rules in the senate are unbelievably archaic and slow moving and in many cases unfair. In many cases you are forced to make deals that are not the deal you would make, you would make a much different kind of a deal. You are forced into situations you hate to be forced into. I also learned and this is very sad, because we have a country that we have to take care of. The democrats have been totally obstructionist, Chuck Schumer turned out to be a bad leader, he is a bad leader for the country and the democrats are extremely obstructionist, all they do is obstruct and delay, even our Supreme Court justice as you know who i think is going to be outstanding, justin gorsuch, i think that, justin gorsuch, i think it was disgrateful the way they handled that but i am waiting for bein g pep to be approved our chief trade negotiator we cant get these people through. They are obstructionist and you know who that is hurt something it is hurting the country. Dickerson let me ask you about healthcare. Tucker carlson interviewed you about six weeks ago when you were in the. Middle of c agreed with him that the healthcare bill wasnt going to help your supporters, it was the rural supporters and they were going to get hurt the healthcare bill is going to help my supporters. Dickerson let me finish the question. I am not going to sign it, i am not going to do it. Dickerson thats why i wanted to ask you, you said tucker we will take care of our people or not sign it. Thats what i just said. Tell me in the bill what you have been negotiating to get in that helps your supporters i am trying to get the details of how you will help. Preexisting conditions are in the bill and i just watched another network than yours and saying, preexisting is not covered, preexisting conditions are in the bill, and i mandated it, i says it has to be, we are going to have lower premiums, and before you start there, let me Say Something f obamacare is dead. Obamacare right now all the Insurance Companies are fleeing. Places like tennessee have already lost half of their state with the Insurance Companies and they are all going. Obamacare, john, is dead. Okay, because we are being we are being compared to obamacare. Just obamacare doesnt work, no, no it is important i have to compare it. Dickerson no, no what i am saying about obamacare. Dickerson i am asking the premiums are too high, the deductibles are through the roof so you never get to use it but more importantly it is dead. Dickerson so in the bill as it was analyzed there were two robs, one and you talked about this with congressman robert attar poll who brought you the example of the 64yearold under obamacare the premiums has that been fixed. Yes totally fixed. How . Many, we made many changes to the bill, it is very different than it was three weeks ago. Dickerson people are wondering what kind of changes let me explain itxd to you. This bill is much different than it was a little while ago, okay . This bill has evolved and we didnt have a failure on the bill. It was reported like a failure. Now the one thing i wouldnt have done again is put a timeline, thats why on the second iteration i didnt put a timeline but now we have preexisting conditions in the bill, we have we have set up a pool for the preexisting conditions so that the premiums can be allowed to fall. We are taking across all of the borders or the lines so that Insurance Companies can compete. Dickerson but that is not in this bill, the it is this in the third bill. It is in the second phase, it is called phase 1, phase 2 and that is in the second phase which will get approved, which will quickly gets approved. Let me just explain something. There will be such competition right now there is no competition. There will be such competition by Insurance Companies so that they can get healthcare and the people taken care of healthcare. The other thing we will have is groups, groups of can negotiate. What is going to happen is the competition is going to drive down the premiums, in mynr opinn much, much more than people understand. Dickerson so what you have just described is the bill you briefed had said you worried wouldnt help your people. No, there were things in the other bill, the first version, which were not as good. Dickerson okay. But when i watched some of the news reports, which are so unfair, and they say, we dont cover preexisting conditions, we covered it beautifully. Dickerson although i will tell you who doesnt cover preexisting conditions, obamacare, you know why . Because it is dead dead, it is not going to be here. Dickerson one of the preexisting was optional for the states. Sure, and in one of the fixes and they are changing it. Dickerson permanent this is a development so you are going to say preexisting for everybody john, this has evolved over a period of three or four weeks, we really have a good bill, i think they could have voted on friday, i said just relax, dont worry about this phony 100 day thing, just relax and take it easy and take your time, get thr dickerson just to most importantly, we are going to drive down premiums. We are going to drive down deductibles because right now deduct tbles are who so high unless you are going to die, a long hard death you never can get to use your healthcare because the deductibles are so high. Dickerson so what i hear you saying is preexisting is in there for everybody . Preexisting is going to be in there and will also, it is going also going to create pools and pools will take care of dickerson it is not left up to the states, everybody gets preexisting . No, but the states will have a lot to do with it because we ultimately want to get it back down to the states. Dickerson it is a guarantee . Look if you hurt your knee, honestly i would rather have the federal government focused on north korea, focused on other things than your knee. Okay . Or than your back as important as your back is. I would much rather see the federal government focused on other things, bigger things. Now, the state is going to be in a much better position to take care, because it is smaller,. Dickerson people out there with preexisting conditions they are worried, m are they going o have the guarantee of coverage if they have a preexisting condition or in a state where the governor decides that is not part of to the healthcare 0 are the price is going to go up, thats the worry that the American Medical Association that will make care unaffordable for people. Forget about unaffordable, what is unaffordable is obamacare. Dickerson i am not hearing you say there is not a guarantee of preexisting conditions. We actually have a clause that guarantees it. Dickerson okay, excellent. Let me ask you about your tax plan. Go ahead. Dickerson tax plan came out this week, it has got big deficit numbers you say that will be made up by growth. Well not only growth, it will be made up by better trade deals. It is going to be made up by many different reciprocal tax. As an example, we have countries where if we make a product and we send it to that country, they charged us 100 percent tax if they make the same product and send it to us, we charge them nothing. Do you think that is smart . It is not. We are going to come up with reciprocal taxes and lots of other things on those countries but i view that more on trade. We are also going to fix all of our trade deals. We are going to have a very wealthy man country again. Dickerson let me ask you this, mr. President. Congress may not go along with they are going to try to find some spending let me ask you about medicare. They will Want Congress to make up on the spending side to change medicare. Will you allow that . You wont have to do it. Dickerson will you allow it . You wont have to do it. Dickerson mr. President , President Trump doesnt want them to do that i would prefer them not to do that, thats right. Dickerson having covered you on the campaign it sounds like you are leaving the door open, on the campaign you said i am the guy not going to touch medicare. Then let me be clear i wont touch it because i said it, now waste fraud and abuse i am going to touch. If there is something in medicare that has been abusedly touch that. There are certain things as you know that have been absolutely abused, there are certain provisions in the medicare that are horrible and abusive and there has been terrible things happening. So that kind of sufficiently absolutelye touch. But the concept of medicare i am not touching. Dickerson for me if i have it now or in the future it is not getting touched. Waste, fraud and abuse. And if there are things within medicare that are being abused, i will touch that also. Dickerson other than that, it is thats what i it is but heres what we are going to do, we are going to grow, the numbers just came out for obamas last year, 1. 6 gdp, that means nothing. That is like one percent gdp, so i have gotten to know as you know and i really get along with a lot of the countries so i talked to the heads of countries, how are you doing . Not well, not well, why . Gdp is eight percent, gdp is nine percent. We are doing poorly. Gdp our gdp is like one percent. Dickerson when we come back, President Trump on the progress ofs aring his tax returns and whether he really believed russia tried too med until the last election. You notice now they are using, everybodyxdgvn is using e word fake news, where did you hear it first, folks . Dickerson and we are back with more of our interview with President Trump. This week, his treasury secretary was asked a familiar question when he unveiled the president s tax plan. Will the president release his tax returns so that the president has no intention, the president has released plenty of information and i think has given more Financial Disclosure than anybody else. Dickerson we ask the president about that. Let me ask you about your tax returns, when your treasury secretary was asked about whether you are going to release them, secretary mnuchin says he has no intention. Well i never spoke to him about it, honestly he never asked me about it, i said number one, i am under audit, right now i am under audit, after the audit is complete, it is a routine audit but i have a very big tax return you have seen the pictures, my tax return is probably higher than that from the floor, when you look at other peoples tax return, even other wealthy people their tax return is this thick, my tax return is this high, i just want to make sure i have a routine audit and i think it is a very unfair thing because i have been under audit almost like since i became famous. Okay . Not just political, i mean, i have been under audit i bet you 12 or 13 or 14 years naah row. Now i have friends that are wealthy people and never been audited and i think it is very unfair. Dickerson you first said that you were under audit and was going to wait until that was done about 14 months ago. That seems like a long time. When do you think that is going to happen . It could happen soon. Dickerson give me a sense. I think it is pretty routine to be honest with you, but they dont make a, then we will make a decision. Dickerson i remember Congress Said a condition for tax reform was releasing your tax returns. I dont know who did that. I dont care who did that. These are the people, the great obstructionists. Dickerson you are not look where the democrats have ended up, john, they had everything going. Now they dont have the presidency. They dont have the house. They dont have the senate. And schumer is going around making a fool out of himself. Dickerson and in a moment why President Trump is still skeptical of reports that russia tried to influence the american election. Xd dickerson next week we will check in with a group of pennsylvania residents about what is going on with their country and their government. Plus we willni sit down with former secretary of state kohn, conned conned she has a new book out, democracy, stories from the long road to freedom. And we will be back in a moment. Sit down with condoleezza rice. This portion of face the nation is sponsored by Charles Dickerson we have a lot more of face the nation coming up in a moment. More of our interview with the president plus our Political Panel. And charlie rose and for for, Norah Odonnell, my colleagues will be with me at the white house tomorrow. Gn dickerson welcome back to face the nation. And the final part of our interview yesterday with President Trump. Dickerson you said yesterday on fox that russia is a phony story. Which part of sit phony . The concept of russia with respect to us is a total phony story. Dickerson you mean the Trump Campaign. Of course it was a total phony story. I heard where general flynn got his clearance from the obama administration. Dickerson but you dont excuse me and when he went to russia, i didnt realize this when he went to russia it wasokk 2017, 2015 and he was on obama clearance, when general flynn came to us as you now know he already had the highest clearance you could have. I think the same clearance as the president of the United States would have. He had this really high clearance. And by theni way, ty are so devastated because this only came up two days ago, why wasnt this reported months ago . But i watched one of your other competitors and they were devastated by this news because you know what . That kills them, thats tend of their subject. Dickerson you dont think it is phony the russians tried to med until the election . That i dont know. Dickerson you dont know or do know . Well, i have a problem. You have podesta, who i understand has a company with his brother in russia, hillarys husband makes speeches in russia, hillary did a uranium deal in russia, nobody ever talks about that but i dont know, because the fbi was not allowed by podesta7pwu do go a d check all of the records and servers and everything you would normally have to check. Thats number one. Number 2, knowing something about hacking if you dont catch ani hacker, okay, in the act, it is very hard to say who did the hacking. couy]j4 pcc along with russia, it could have been china, it could have been a lotxd of different groups. Dickerson so President Donald Trump is ambivalence about no we have to find out what happened. Dickerson but you dont think it is the russians . I will tell you it had nothing to do with us and this and ever knows it and by the way, even my enemies on your show said, we havent figured out anything that the Trump Campaign did wrong. Do you agree with that a . Dickerson but there are agreements in the intelligence communities and other places and investigative communities on the hill that russia was involved in the election honestly john, i am okay, why didnt p podesta and the democrs why didnt they allow the fbi to check the server. Some things said pretty bad things to go and check their server and give thenr informati. So they were hacked. Why didnt they allow why didnt the democrats allow the fbi they told the fbi, we are not going to lou you to do it. Why did they do that . Why did they do that, john . Why wouldnt they let the fbi go and check . And by the way, why did the fbi complain about it . Dickerson mr. President , i think we are going to have to end it there. Thank you. Dickerson more of our interview will air on cbs this morning tomorrow morning in a live broadcast there the white house. We turn now to our Political Panel for some analysis on this very newsy last 100 days. July july is White House Correspondent for the associatei for the Washington Post and joined by our White House Team, white house and Senior Foreign Affairs correspondent Margaret Brennan and chief White House Correspondent major garrett, 100 days you have been doing all of those trump rallies and another one last night. Give us your sense of where things are. I want to talk about the interview because i think there are two very important things that caught my ear. One the president went out of his way to a certain context praise kim jongun the leader of north korea, calling him a smart cookie how that will be translated in north korea but the people who are the trumpologists will say that is is the nearest highest praise the president can give anyone he respects it is a signal from this president he is trying to at least on a personal level take the volatility possibly out of this budding relationship. 1. 2, on the domestic front, he called the senate rules unbelievably archaic, slow moving and unfair. What is the similar dollar accomplishment of this administration in the first 100 days, filling a vacancy on the Supreme Court, how was it done . By changing the rulings oh the senate to a straight 51 vote majority vote. What is blocking, will block this president and his agenda in the senate Going Forward . 60 votes. There is active, constant conversation, this white house, on legislation in the senate shifting through the rules from 60 to 51 simple majority. And those words are the president range loudly in my ear as to what his intentions are and where we may see these issues and the debate about senate rules going. Dickerson and let me ask you about majors point on the filibuster which is really interesting. Mitch mcconnell doesnt want to change the rules on the 60 vote threshold. The rally i was at last night and the thing that donald trump has created can over run Mitch Mcconnell if, to make your point. I am glad you heard what i heard, because i really remember this past week, Lindsey Graham telling me there is who support for that, i dont like it, we are going to block it but you are right, if he keeps this up, he brings it up in these interviews and gets his base to support, to call their senators, the republican senators and say you have to make this change, what is to say it wont happen . They understand in the senate that you do this and they basically come, become a smaller, older, better compensated version of the house and there are a lot of senators who dont want to be a part of that and it could be a real showdown should that happen at some point in the next year two, years. There were some who thinking this doesnt happen for another decade but others see what the president is saying and saying it could happen a lot sooner. Dickerson margaret let me get your take on the president s Foreign Policy views. Either with respect to north korea or the other countries that he is engaged with. He puts that in the win column. He has a lot of things in the win column but he puts that pretty high up, his interaction with other leaders of, foreign leaders. How do you assess his diplomacy . Well, i think it is not a fully formed thought yet, right . You have the beginnings of policies and you havent seen them actually play out. It is interesting to hear the president consistently in his tweets and the interview praise as well the leader of china, president xi jinping, a man who is very careful with his diplomacy and words and what he says is his policy. Very different than the president we have there. And to have him consistently the really kind of publicly shame china is a new twist on essentially the old obama policy, which was put more pressure on china to try to reign in their client in pyongyang, to consistently say every time kim jongun says in this is embarrassing, not me, it is embarrassing president xi jinping, it is interesting to see that. The smartni mqbaat comment, wow, yes, how do you translate that . But i think that expression of empathy and that opening towards negotiation, the question i have is when you are going in the state department and cutting 2000 heads, when you are cutting their budget by 30 percent, who is leading those negotiations . Who within the administration is goingoing to take the road map t the president is starting to try to place here. It is interesting to hear the president talking abou about the power relationship in north korea, this is a president who pays attention to the power and other powerful leaders and how they get around maybe th judicial areas. And he specifically mentioned uncle, that was really interesting too, a man who he had killed in 2013,. Dickerson . And the president has some experience with enter officeco rivalries. W we havent gotten there ye. Dickerson julie, pick up on this you interviewed the president , i have a lot of coverage for that interview. You know, he traveled a road this week in terms of some of the things he said, he seemed to be at pains in our interviews, i love the jobs and not done things, hard as things i have done other. And other times he has talked about the enormity. Q because you see President Trump going back and forth between these two views of the job. On the one hand he is still extremely confident in his own abilities, his own ability to push through a pretty ambitious agenda, to overhaul washington, and to live up to the hopes of his supporters, on the other hand, you see him wrestling with, i think, the reality of his presidency, which is that this is not going to be easy, and he is dealing with institutions that dont change. Not only do they not just not change quickly, they dont change at all in some cases, so you see him going back and forth. I think thenr question that i he looking forward in his presidency is, what can he take away in terms of Lessons Learned . Can he adopt, adapt to this city and how can he adjust his White House Team and adjust his legislative strategy . We havent really seen any indications on that front yet. Although there are some glimmers of hope. We were floarg exploring thiscz1 paper and Susan Collins said look at the beginning we werent hearing from anyone at the white house they didnt have a staff in place who was capable of talking to legislators about legislation, but she said on thursday i had a 45 minute conversation with the head of the center for Medicare Services and i talked about my concerns in the house gop Healthcare Plan which based o based on what the president today may need to be rewritten yet again today but and listened to me and took notes and we laid out my specific concerns. The other thing that is going on that people dont realize, the Vice President is Holding Small dinners with senators at his House Wednesday nights now. Both parties, trying to get them to talk to each other and get a sense of what is possible in washington. She said this is all very encouraging and it needs to continue. Dickerson we will take a break quickly here and stay with this idea of adaptation and talk to you about this, but lets take a break and stay with us. What we do every night is like something out of a strange dream. Except that the next morning. It all makes sense. Fedex powers global ecommerce. With networks built over 40 years. That are massive. Farreaching. And, yes. Maybe a bit magical. We are back with our panel. Major pick up on this idea of 11 learned. I would say last 30 days have been vastly different than the first 60, 65 to 70 because the white shouse better organized, it has a better flow of information, it has a better decisionmaking process, it also has done something that President Trump when he was a candidate and alluded to and we have begun to see it which is tell powering of cabinet secretaries, giving them an autonomy the Previous White House it is president bush and obama took away there cabinet secretaries and made them subservient to every wish and communication fine pointtry from the west wing, they are briefing on their own agenda in their own words with their own people and if this trend cons continues and a reempowering of secretaries, it is a different for the branch and work for the organizational model, i see signs of in the last 30 days. Dickerson it is interesting, margaret in that model sometimes what happens though you have cabinet secretary religious u. N. Ambassador and secretary of state who says one thing and president says one things and sometimes people are confused when there is not a consistent voice is it a challenge for every model. It is a challenge for everyone of our allies and have adversaries, wellniuwsipa 9 the actual policy is often asked because nuance is what they are asking for and sometimes you get out right contradiction, i think some of the interesting things there that you picked up on in your exphaing with the president , he pretty much is explicitly telling you, we cut a quid pro quo with china, thats our china policy i am not going to criticize you for currency manipulation something i say you did, they did in the past and widely assumed to stop putting pressure on them in 2014, he is saying based on because i told them to. That is interesting but thats the quid pro quo policy for china. What is it toward every other issue and challenge . And why at the end of your interview on russia did he rush to some of his old language, where i thought particularly after that serious we started to see the president start to have a new view of vladimir putin, and his meddling but he returned to that, in many ways a denial of the Election Hacking that 16 u. S. Agencies said happened. Dickerson yes. He does seem to be in that very position. Julie, let me ask you about the president s decision on nafta this week. How much of a reversal was that . And more broadly, what do we know abomtt president changes his mind . I think there is a lot more we need to know about theninr nd decision, margaret and i were talking about this earlier, it is a bit confusing about how this all evolved. On one hand we have white house officials pushing this idea there was going to be an order from the president to terminate nafta, and they were happy to have that message out, there and within hours you have phone calls with the leaders of mexico and canada and the president is trying to say, i am now in a stronger position because i threatened termination, i am now in a stronger position as we move forward with renegotiating the deal. We dont know what he wants to renegotiate in the deal necessarily, we dont know that he necessarily is in a stronger position. We dont know who called who in some cases with these foreign leaders. And i think more broadly for hs trade policies it leaves open a lot of questions about how forceful he is going to be in terms of looking through these deals and trying to put u. S. Workers in a stronger position and he made that quick step to pull the u. S. Out of tpp, that was a promise kept for him but i think nafta is a much bigger challenge, he is hearing that not just from capitol hill but within his own administration from some of these cabinet secretaries who might want to say you may want to be careful as you move forward. Ross who delivered that mental directly to the president and sent a memo to Congress Taking a much softer approach to renegotiation of nafta than the president mg u ated andao c1 o certainly steve bannon drove within the west wing. And president says renegotiations starts now and they havent gotten the approval of congress to do so. In a billboard sense it sends a message to the rest of americas future and potential trading partners, be serious about this nationalist approach, if he is going to pick a fight with canada and mexico, considering where they positioned themselves, two and three as our trading partners, then he means what he says, at least in taking a reexamination of all existing trade and all future trade, and at the billboard level, which this president likes to communicate at, thats an important message. Dickerson right. Ed, tell me about wha you thinks going to happen with healthcare. Well, this, as we sit here, actually, i was getting some guidance from a senior republican congressional aide what the real estate was saying there and they believe there is more than one way to address the problem of covering preexisting conditions, that there will be various ways for it to be done and not necessarily what the real estate was saying there. He is saying one way or another they are going to be taken care of is essentially the early interpretation of what he told you. Look, they were counting votes into late last week, it is not dead again quite yet, but it is also not clear when they would hold a vote, the house is in this coming week and their primary responsibility is to keep the government open, just like last week and then on break for another week where they will go hope and get yelled at again about this and it may be late may until the house actually takes this up again which leaves plenty of time to renegotiate things and figure out if there o is enough support on it. On the president s tax plan and where you see it going from here. The court 30 seconds. Healthcare vitally important, detect cal level, the conservative groups oppose the original bill on healthcare and for it now, why . Because their donors told them, we cant get to tax reform until we get healthcare. That alliance keeps healthcare alive and keeps tax reform alive and until they are fully dead and buried by the president s words you have to keep an eye on them. Dickerson thanks for being with us here today and be back with Norah Odonnell and charlie rose. Stay with us. ,,,,,, dickerson joining us our cbs cocaine choors Norah Odonnell and charlie rose in town preparing for tomorrows broadcast at the white house. And i get to ask you guys questions. Right, we usually have this flipped around. Yes. Exactly. We are on your turf so that you have that. Dickerson xdko charlie, what do you want to know about this administration . If there is a question at the heart of it what is it for you . Clearly donald trump is a man, there are many donald trumps. We know that. Clearly, he has changed the presidency, but i want to know how the presidency has changed him and the opinions he has changed and what impact it will have on his future in the, and the countrys future. Dickerson norah, what is your feeling about it . The president seems on one hand in some of his interviewsni reflect if the and saying it is harder than i thought. And on the other hand, it is going great, it is wonderful and better than ever. Thats why there are many donald trumps. Dickerson right, exactly. That was great interview, by the way, john, great interview. I thought once again, you know, trying to get an answer out of donald trump is lying like trying to pin jello to the wall. It is hard. And his lack of facility with understanding what might be in the new reappeal and replace obamacare is part of the frustration, so we want to know so much but i am not sure the president is in a position to tell us that much. I think the key question i have is who is driving policy inside the white house on the domestic front, on the National Security front . And we know that there are multiple centers of power. But it affects relations with congress. And i have said this before but i will say it again, that republicans have a historic opportunity for change. It is so rare for the party to control the executive and the legislative branch. Iit has only happened six years in the past 70 years. President s had four of them. They can do a lot and missing an Incredible Opportunity ia they are not working to the with leaders on the hill. And it appeared yesterday from your interview, i am curious on your take too, is it wasnt clear that president had a full understanding of what is in the republicans reappeal and replace, their current form of that bill. Dickerson i think he wants to get things done and i think particularly in going to the rally, you see and he connected with that energy and he wants to get things done for those people. And i think the details are as long as they match up with those people that is jobs and growth, jobs and growth. Turning to Foreign Policy just for a second, i am amazed at how he talks about president xx, the leader of china the way he does, that is his new best friend and going to help him. Does president xi jinping feel the same way . Is that a the genuine relationship . That can make a difference. Dickerson he seems when he talks about foreign leaders he understands power, goals, it is very tactical, and very transactional. Norah. Well, it reminded me 0 someone says dont refuse, confuse effort with accomplishment, and the president in that rally that you i know went with him last nights, he is the champion of the forgotten man and woman. But does he know how his policies will affect the forgotten man and woman . What are those policies . And i think that is really the journalistic challenge that we face over the coming years is not only learning what his intent is, because i dont think it is entirely clear, and also then what becomes the process of the actual legislation when something comes out. And does he mean it when he says anything that affects themly not sign, if it makes their life more difficult i wont sign. The interesting thing is how did you see him differently and what did you come away with in terms of what he was saying on healthcare . Dickerson well, on healthcare i think it is, you know i think he wants a result and if they canw3 n i him look this result is what you are getting then he is good with it, it will be good fo for my people and it is a Police Department and move on, as major pointed out, healthcare has to happen first to lower the budget baseline to do more with taxes. One thing i was struck with, qnt factory we went by, he is out there swinging every day for those gays who wear boots with steel toes on them and as long as they see him swinging for them, i think they are 95 percent of the way there, and the details which are so crucial, as you quite rightly point out because they will matter in the end, but i think they will wait a long time until they need the details. They will wait to accomplish those things. We are going to be inside the east room of the white house tomorrow and i know you will join us as we are broadcasting live. Our show cbs this morning and we are going to have at the table a number of the president s senior Foreign Policy advisors and economic advisors, and i know we want to get a sense for ourselves is, when you go inside the white house, is how they are operating and how he is going to continue to do just that. Dickerson right. Exactly. Well i am really looking forward to it tomorrow with both of you. A and i dont you parts of your interview you didnt air this morning. Dickerson we did, exactly. We have much more of our interview, both at the white house and then on the road with him yesterday in and around his various things so question will be able to dissects all of that. Thanks for having us. Dickerson there are not two people, there are not two people i would rather dopr q with. u thank you all. We will be right back. [gas pouring] [slurps loudly] [engine starting] [loud slurping continues] dickerson thats it for us today. Thanks for watching face the nation. And i will see you tomorrow morning on cbs this morning. I am john dickerson. Captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org it stops right here and stops right now. I love you. I respect you. There is nobody i respect more. We are going to have a very victims band and we are going to have extreme vetting. Tomorrow they will say donald trump rants and raves i did not rant and rave. 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