the younger one had history in jihadi networks and was sent to the prison years ago. they were both known to intelligence services. greg palkot is live in paris with the latest. greg? >> reporter: jon, jenna, the police moved back a bit the cordon so we're able to show you now where yesterday's bloody attack occurred. as my cameraman pierre to shoot beyond me. you see the building on the right, the wide building that is where newspapers are of cherylly heck dough. that is where the car of the gunmen were. they went into the office and shot up the place at the end of the day leaving 12 people killed, four critically wounded. they sped away from here and they're on the run. and as you folks have been talking about, that is exactly where the man hunt is occurring. latest sighting 40 miles north of paris. they were seen allegedly at a gas station by an individual early this morning. now police have gone to a town nearby, gone in with helicopters, gone in with armored cars. they're taking no chances but again that is just one of many sightings. this city, this region, this country, is on edge. one of the suspects, an 18-year-old, was in fact turned himself in overnight. he claims he was innocent. it is believed that he could have been the driver of the getaway car that sped out of this location and brought the two other gunmen to for the moment, at least, safety. but again we don't know how long, and, it is a sign, jon how much this city is on edge. just this morning in the southern part of paris a police woman was shot and killed just attending to a traffic accident by a heavily-armed gunman who came up to her and then ran away. no sign of whether there is linkage. you mentioned jon the they are looking into by police of the backgrounds of these fellows. in fact these brutal gunmen were in fact known to the police especially one cherif kouachi. he was arrested in 2005 trying to funnel jihadis over to iraq to kill united states soldiers. he did not like what america was doing there. ended up being in jail for three years. finally going on trial and in 2008 he was freed but in 2010 charged again with trying to get a convicted terrorist out of jail. and that is when we believe his brother also got involved in the act. again, these are suspects. they remain suspects right now, hotly hunted. here at the scene a lot of grief, a lot of mourning. on this day of national mourning, there was a minute of silence. there are rallies being held again. i spoke to one woman here. she said it is not just the people being killed, it is not just the act of the terrorism. it is the act of terrorism and killing against the idea of freed of speech, freedom of expression. because that's what this newspaper, down the street from me was trying to do. i will ask pierre to close and swing over to our right here and get a sense again of the flowers, the candles the people young and old, of all ages coming here to express their sorrow. the sadness of this event. it has hit this country hard just as it has hit the world. the people her deemed that these people should be remembered and police officers, the authorities determined to get their men. back to you. jon: civilized world with the people of paris. greg palkot, thank you. jenna: for more on the deadly terror attack and the motive behind it let's bring in a security analyst at the clarion project. ryan, you say there is a narrative emerging over the last 24 hours, in your opinion is inaccurate when looking to explain the motivation of these terrorists. explain that to us. >> everyone is focusing on the fact this was targeting cartoonists, as if cartoons were so offensive it forced these terrorists to lash out in this way but way jihadists think like there, whether they're going after cartoonists or going after another target there is always going to be a target and really what it emanates from, not being offend. this newspaper made fun of catholics. this ideology, according to our belief system things like this are so illegal under sharia you are to retaliate violently against it in order to make western societies to conform to their belief system of sharia. jenna: how do you make sure they don't win in that endeavor the terrorists? >> don't censor yourself. recognize this attack is means for an end. the victory for them isn't the attack itself. the victory comes when we censor ourselves because they are not powerful enough to enforce their form of sharia governance upon us but they can do is intimidate us to implementing it on ourselves. that is the objective. jenna: there is fear involved in terrorism, and that is why we call it terror. hosts at different media outlets, we're not showing the cartoons for variety of different reasons. what about that? the realistic part of this there is danger associated with doing what this newspaper did? >> right. there is, but at the same time, you can't appease them. recognize what the terrorists are trying to achieve. they believe that this type of conduct, this type of cartoon should be banned and since they can't ban it on our society, they're trying to attack us so that we just ban it ourselves. and so we don't want to vindicate that ideology by saying yes, these type of jihadi attacks work. that is, where the victory comes for them. jenna: how would you advise officials in france on how to handle this? they have the largest muslim population in europe. what is the right way to approach the muslim community what's the right way to handle this moving forward as the search for these two terrorists is on boeing? >> well, there is a few different things that have to happen. first of all if individuals in europe want to give a gift to al qaeda then they're going to go after the muslim community as a whole. don't do that. that's what they want. but most importantly you have to embrace those imams not just oppose al qaeda but oppose change in ideasology the underpinning for all of this that says it is perfectly acceptable in our society to be oaf fended at something but you don't have to engage in violence and you don't have to believe in implementing sharia governance. jenna: let me take this in a little different direction because we're not exactly sure about the ties of the individuals, even if they were officially quote unquote involved with al qaeda or isis of the looks like al qaeda at this point. you say there is tension going on between isis and al qaeda and that is something we should watch, if we're watching for what's coming next. what is that? >> right. both isis and al qaeda are kind of engaging in a jihadist olympics they're each trying to outdo each other. so isis was overshadowing al qaeda and al qaeda was looking like a bunch of has-been. if this attack was tied to al qaeda in yemen as the attackers basically was that means al qaeda basically walked away with gold medal. isis is instigating attacks with people radicalized and attack someone with an axe. al qaeda says no, we're actually dispatching operatives from yemen. we're engaging in the a tax. we're still number un. jenna: competition in danger. >> absolutely. jenna: ryan, thanks so much for your insight. jon? >> the president is getting extra ink ready for his veto pen it would appear even with bills with birpartisan support. the president says he is unwilling to make changes to his signature health care law including a proposed vote to fix flaws in obamacare today. that has it critics the democrats, led by the president may be the new party of no. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill with that. mike. >> reporter: we're already hearing from frustration from lawmakers here we are in the week after brand new congress and they say president obama has set a very negative tone. >> it would have been better if he had said, okay, i give. or okay you won the election, people have spoken. or even if you just said, okay, let's talk. but i'm but, saying hell no i won't go is not a great way to kick off a new relationship. >> reporter: today house lawmakers are expected to vote on a bill that would modify obama care's definition of full-time work status from 30 hours to 40 hours per week. tomorrow the house is expected to vote on construction and authorization of the xl pipeline. the white house says that doesn't mean there will be gridlock on every issue. >> we'll have differences of opinion with republicans and republican leaders in congress about some priorities but what we can't do is allow a difference of opinion over one or two issues to be obstacle finding ground on other issues where we may have agreement. >> reporter: the senate is moving forward with the keystone xl measure with more than 60 senators supporting it. sponsors are looking for amendments that could bring more democrats to back the bill. for them there is the obstacle of the president and his allies. >> the president has failed his first big test when it comes to working with the congress for the american people. and it's unfortunate in light of everything that is going on, all of the things that need to be done that are good for the economy and good for jobs, that the president seems to be checked out, out on the campaign trail. >> reporter: on the keystone xl bill there is some frustration from democrats from energy states who say the president offered to veto threat even before they could offer amendments that might make it more appealing to everybody. jon? jon: mike emanuel covering congress for us on the hill there. mike, thank you. jenna: police need help to find a suspect in the brutal beating death of two senior citizens found to death in their home in a gated community. police have a sketch. we'll tell you more details on that case. also karl rove is here with his thoughts on the french terror attack and the response thus far and his political predictions on 2015 and how well he did last year. a free hat! if that kind of credit flapdoodle got you a credit card with a terrible rate... i say, keep it. because when you don't know there's a better card... i make money. and money buys me fancy floaty things. so don't go to creditkarma.com and read all the free credit card reviews. go to my site... donotgotocreditkarmadotcom.com credit karma! jon: fox news alert. the dow is on a tear right now up 296 points, 1.7% roughly. some good economic data coming out. jenna tells me that people are out shopping spending the money they're not putting in their gas tank and burning they're spending it. a lot of retail remembers up. that is part of the reason markets are up. we'll watch it throughout the hour. jenna: that is me back with my shopping report, jon. i have the finger on the pulse of america. jon: there you go. jenna: some crime stories we're watching for you today. day four in the jury selection of the boston marathon bombing trial. analysts saying lawyers for dzhokhar tsarnaev are most likely looking for jurors interested in other cultures while prosecutors will go for conservative patriotic types. they're seeking the death penalty this case. lawyers for the movie theater sheet are in colorado want a delay for the trial. jury selection is scheduled for two weeks but lawyers said they don't have enough time to prepare. they are circulating a sketch of a man wanted for the beating death of an elderly couple in a gated community. they're looking for a man walking in the area around the same time. jon: the white house offers america's help in the search for the terrorists who murdered 12 people in paris. with the prime suspect's two brothers still on the run. president obama called the brutal rampage, a cowardly and evil attack on free expression. let's bring in someone with experience in handling crises like this. karl rove was senior advisor and deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush. he is also a fox news contributor. give the president and the administration a grade, karl, if you works how you think they responded to this? >> well right tone, right words. i wish they had gone a little bit further in depicting this as an act of radical islam terrorism. but god on the words and particularly i thought secretary kerry's comments were strong. i think the president would have been advised to have canceled the visit to arizona and remained in the white house. it would have given it, greater sense of "gravity," that he was on top of it. that he was, you know, reaching out to the french leadership. that he was meeting with with american security officials about ramifications of this for us but instead he is on a campaign-style event in arizona. i don't give him good marks for that. overall he said the right thing. secretary of state said right thing. administration stressed strong support for the french people and french government and condemned it in strong terms. jon: there seems to be reticence to use the word or phrase. jon: islamic terror at the white house. why? >> i don't understand it because that is what it is and one of the things we need to do is divide the vast majority of the members of muslim community from these extremists and you can't start doing that until you ratchet up the pressure depicting it exactly what it is. dan hen anyone going had a terrific piece today in the "wall street journal." it not only made the point this is a question of our values versus their values but he also made the point that we need to remember that this is a constant struggle for us. the same day that these people were killed in paris, 37 people were killed in yemen by a bomb. last month we had the incident in australia. we had the attack in pakistan which taliban gunmen islamic terrorists, went into a school and system killed 132 schoolchildren by shooting them in the head or the heart. we have a violent opponent against us. it is, it comes from a perversion of a great religion. it is radical islam and we need to confront it. jon: i wonder about some of the second-guessing because people are second-guessing france is supposed to have such avanted intelligence service that didn't pick up word of this attack. there are, there is the video camera surveillance system in and around the streets of paris that, so far, apparently has not proved as useful as some authorities might have thought it should be. i wonder about, you know, the prospects for this kind of thing happening in this country and whether we'll say, oh, well we should have we should have done more with the patriot act or we should have done more surveillance that kind of thing? >> yeah. look, there is going to be a lot of second-guessing. the only second-guessing i have is that the french knew this was, that this magazine was threatened. they had police protection and something happened to break down the, sort of the exterior barrier if you will to the building and and allow the attack to take place. this has got to serve as reminder that the enemy our enemy, you know has just has to be right occasionally. we have to be right all the time. that means we need to have in place all of the available tools for law enforcement, for intelligence, for the military and for the diplomatic strength of the united states to be brought to bear on this problem? we're in a war. we can not weaken it. and look, it, the french have these people were apparently on the radar scope. some may have traveled to syria. it shows a problem of an open society like the french have and that we have to these kind of threats. it ought to be a reminder, we have to deploy every resource at our disposal in order to keep events from this like happening. all they have to do get it once. we have to be right 100% of the time. jon: yeah. speaking about being right 100% of the time. we're a week into the new year. karl is checking back on his predictions record for 2014. he has some new predictions for 2015 in his "wall street journal" column. you did pretty well in 2014. >> well, i did and i didn't. i got 13 political predictions right and six wrong but the ones that i didn't get right are doozies. i thought republicans would lose governorships. they picked them up. i thought kathleen sebelius would hang on as health and human services secretary. she bailed. i thought democrats would run for the doors on obamacare calling for major changes. instead much to their political disadvantage they stayed stuck right through the election. i was very lucky however on the popular culture picks. i got three out of five right. seahawks won in the super bowl. payton manning getting a fifth mvp and miley cyrus fading. that is completely luck. i have as much confidence, i have no confidence in my popular culture and movie picks but i make them anyway. jon: what is your sure thing prediction for 2013. >> i think a lot of them i think will come to pass. for example, we'll find out that a lot of republican presidential candidates either don't get into the race or get into the race and don't go very far because of the challenge of raising money. it will not cost $88 million to run for president in republican primary but it will cost a lot of money. 88 million is what mitt romney spent. hillary clinton is going to run. elizabeth warren will not after flirting with. i don't think joe biden will run. though we'll certainly hear a lot of him in the way of continuing gaffs. the most interesting things in the congress. i think republicans will send a president a steady stream of bills throughout the year that have bipartisan support and we'll see the most productive period of sustained bipartisan legislating we'll see in a long while. the question whether or not the president will sign those bills. if he vetos a lot of them it will wear thin on democrats. jon: that is the question. karl, thank you. >> you bet. thank you, jon. many people clean their dentures with toothpaste or plain water. and even though their dentures look clean, in reality they're not. if a denture were to be put under a microscope we can see all the bacteria that still exists on the denture and that bacteria multiplies very rapidly. that's why dentists recommend cleaning with polident everyday. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher brighter denture everyday. i'm only in my 60's... i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. 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>> reporter: to show you how cold it is, let's take a look at lake michigan. lake michigan close to the shore is all over frozen over. the ships are not moving anywhere. boats on lake michigan are not moving anywhere. the coast guard resumed ice breaking operations first time since last winter. they have to keep the shipping leans open. they are calling it operation cold shovel. people have their hoods up and scarves over their faces despite windchill getting below negative 20. a lot of people are staying home, are staying home because they have to take care of their kids and you have hundreds and hundreds of school districts closed all over the midwest because of that bitter windchill temperature. even minneapolis where the threshold is negative 35. they have closed schools today because it is so cold. the real hazard, you have hazards from frostbite but seems most dangerous thing is the roads. in pennsylvania there was 18-car pileup out there. my cameraman came back from detroit and all along the highway you saw cars along the road, they had spun out on the ice. roads are very treacherous and to top it off, more snow on the way. nothing extreme. you're probably talking about three inches of snow the kind of things your streets and sanitation department could handle. they knew winter was prepared. they have all the equipment maxed out. they should be able to handle it. if you're out and have the opportunity not to travel stay home. the road are pretty treacherous. the roads are treacherous and you could get frostbite in 10, 20 minutes if your skin is exposed. jenna: all the reason for you to get back inside. mike, thank you. >> reporter: you got it. jon: 24 hours after that deadly terror attack french authorities are on high alert as police conduct door-to-door searches looking for two suspects still at large. plus video shows a confrontation outside of a strip club that escalates into the violence with a suspect firing into a crowd. jon: right now a quick look what is still to come this hour of "happening now." the hunt for the two suspects in the paris terror attack, what police need to do to find them and what happens when they do. a fight outside a strip club end with bullets flying. now the search is on for the gunman. plus this message left some flight attendants just plain scared. then the airline fired them after they said they were too spooked to fly on this aircraft. well now, the workers are taking legal action. we'll get into it. jenna: now to the massive manhunt in france. two prime suspects still at large at this hour. let's bring in ben collins, a veteran of the u.s. army special forces and a green beret. the he served two tours in afghanistan. we'll draw on your battle experience ben. what do you think is the key to finding these guys? >> good morning jenna. i honestly believe when you look at the classic terrorist operation, there is a lot of logistics in place, right? you need planning meetings. money gets moved. you need to find explosives and have training put together to actually build the bomb or carry out the attack. so in the traditional sense, that takes a lot of communication, right? a lost e-mails or phone calls. that is generally were the intelligence services or police are able to find these guys when they come up, right? so either tracking phone calls or known entities. what we're seeing here now is a new, a paradigm shift in essence, where a lot of these individuals are not having to work in cellular format, they became self-radicalized. what does that mean? they're getting a lot of their, they're recruited or trained and launched basically out of the their living room through the internet online. it is very difficult for the intelligence agencies and police force certainly in this case, to really make a difference in tracking down these individuals we're calling lone wolves or self-radicalized. jenna: certainly law enforcement not only in france and here in the united states, new york police department, for example struggled with the right way to infiltrate certain communities certain muslim communities and find out if there is anyone bad doing anything or planning anything that could harm americans or harm others. so, again, knowing that, if you could advise the local law enforcement to make sure they, they know what they need to know, what advice would you give them? >> so, certainly. nypd actually had a cultural or a unit that was, that was put in place to actually infiltrate some of these organizations to find out but it was deemed too culturally insensitive. so it was shut down. and reality what we see in france, this is kind of home to roost, right? this grand socialist experiment of multicultural system and political sensitivity. they have zones in france now that are effectively no-go zones, that muslim populations have taken over, that the police don't even go. so the police don't have sources inside. they don't have the ability to go inside and that is -- jenna: i'm curious about that ben, don't mean to interrupt you. going back to your experience in afghanistan, i'm sure there were no-go zones in afghanistan no, people said to you ben you can't go in there and it is too dangerous. what did you do? does that apply perhaps here? >> it does. you would have to develop the intelligence the most important intelligence is human intelligence and develop sources. that takes time and ability to go into the places and surreptitiously buildout a contact network that can bring you intelligence. really especially if you look at france, there are 6.5 million muslims, right? that is 10% of the entire population in france. it is the largest population of muslims in europe. they also, the last election president hollande, won 93% of those 6.5 million. so that is a huge voting block. so my question back would be, how motivated is, are is the government in france, specifically the administration, growing to be in making changes right? jenna: that's a big question. it is interesting. because not an entire community that they're looking at per se of the these individuals, that they're looking for, one of them had a criminal record, well-documented. served time. >> absolutely. jenna: he wasn't hiding anywhere. they knew who he was yet he was able to do this. how? >> well look, i think if you, if you again, i go back to a lot of these guys in their own neighborhoods, right in their apartment buildings are sitting down having their planning meetings. it doesn't take a whole lot -- think about what they utilized here, right? they can do planning which they can do mostly on internet. they're brothers so they're in each other's environment all the time and needed a couple of ak-47s which is the most prevalent weapon on the market. fairly easy to get in just about every city in the world. it didn't cost that much money either. so it is very possible they're able to do this. my fear is, we've got probably a couple of hundred certainly americans, a few thousand europeans, that have gone over to syria that are now getting radicalized even more so by isis and these people have western passports. so they don't need a visa. jenna: you better than anybody can attest to the battlefield experience actually matters. >> it certainly does. jenna: that is something we'll certainly pay close attention to. ben, great to see you. thank you so much. >> you as well, jenna. jon: after police track down the kouachi brothers, their next job is to figure out how the terrorist suspects were radicalized. for that let's bring in greg swift, georgetown university national security studies professor. is that the most important job here professor? >> well, jon the most important job in the near term is to identify contain and neutralize the threat posed by these two individuals. hopefully that will be done in a very short order. but after they have done that it is going to be crucial for them to understand the type of radicalization process that they went through. there are four general types. it used to be that individuals who wanted to fight jihad or wanted to fill eight with a terrorist organization would go to a place like iraq, afghanistan, syria or yemen and join the organization and become a foot soldier in that organization but what we've seen in both europe and the united states, there are three other ways people get radicalized. the first is going and learning things from an organization and coming back. we saw that with the times square bomber. thirdsecond is online relationship with spiritual mentor that pushes you to violence. we saw that with nidal hasan and awlaki. and self-radicalization and something i called resonant effects, we saw that with the boston mayor mon bombers the tsarnaev brothers up in boston. what police and intelligence services want to do after the threat is neutralized, which one of these three patterns these algerian brothers fit into and align their response to the particular threat that is presented and the threats are very dirt, the tools you use to address each of those threats are very different. jon: there has been a lot of speculation about whether the kind of attack that paris saw could happen in this country. in your view is there is there anything that, other than luck and timing that kept it from happening here? obviously "charlie hebdo" was a magazine that was pretty provoke if i have in poking fun at islam but also christianity and other religions. is there anything, anything other than luck that kept it from happening in this country? >> well look, we've already had events like this happen in this country. as i mentioned earlier we had attempted bombing of times square by faisal shahzad. the we had the shooting at fort hood by major nidal hasan. we have the boston bombings by testimony her lan and dzhokhar tsarnaev. it has happened in the united states. there has been discussion about "charlie hebdo" and freedom of press and freedom of speech and concerns about religious sensitivities and certainly this magazine was provocative provocative in the environment where the law protected that kind of provocation and our system in the united states provides even more protection than the french constitution does. look at end of the day in every society there are small group of people who are looking to use violence to find themselves or make a point for some greater cause they perceive in their own minds. identifying those people means understanding the adversary understanding how they're radicalized and having relationships in the communities where these people live such that we can get early warning indicators sooner rather than later. that is about the best we can do. there are five to six million muslims in france. we're looking three individuals who perpetrated one act on one particular day. sometimes these things are intelligence operations, sometimes they're military operations. sometimes they're policing operations. knowing the nature of the threat is what's so crucial in terms of figuring out which tools to apply in what circumstance. jon: some good information there. christopher swift, georgetown university. thank you. >> good to be with you. jenna: more than a dozen flight attendants suing a major airline to get their jobs back. they got scared when they saw this on their plane and refused to fly. and because of that, they all got fired. we're going to ask our legal panel if these airline workers have a case. verbal confrontation turns into a shoot out on the streets of philadelphia sending people running for their lives. ♪ ♪ ♪ you're only young once. unless you have a subaru. (announcer) the subaru xv crosstrek. symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 34 mpg. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. jon: let's check out what's ahead on "outnumbered" at top of the hour. >> as french police continue the hunt for two heavily armed suspects there are growing questions who these men really are. are they lone wolves or part of a larger terrorist organization and how do we stop terrorists like them in the future here at home? >> very important question. plus should attacks on police officers be treated as hate crimes? the push to get congress to change that law. >> a baseball legend saying was rejected from the hall of fame for a third time because he is a republican. >> plus our #oneluckyguy alex ferrer on "outnumbered." jon: see you in 14 minutes, thank you. jenna: an interesting case to take a look at in the light of news the last 24 hours. 13 flight attendants are fighting to get their jobs back. the former united airlines workers say they were simply spooked when they saw this message on their plane. the ominous note saying bye-bye, was found before a flight from san francisco to hong kong back in july. the flight attendants, requested a security inspection. they wanted everybody off the plane to be properly checked. they were denied, so they refused to fly and the flight was canceled and they were then fired, all of them, for insubordination. now they're filing a complaint, asking for their jobs and back pay. for legal debate, we have former prosecutor and criminal defense attorney and wendy patrick, san diego county deputy district attorney and prosecutor. wendy, who is right in this, the flight attendants or united airlines? >> i have to tell you that flight attendants like these that allow the rest of us to relax and enjoy our flight. these were not a band of rookies. they werethey were veteran flight attendants. 13 of them. they had almost 300 years of experience put into them. put into context, remember what was going on the time of this incident. this was four months after malaysian flight 370 went missing. one week after tsa reported that cell phones could be used as explosive devices. these flight attendants did the right thing and should not have fired for insubordination. they have anti-retaliation protection which is what they're alleging now. jon: we should point out where this was drawn on the plane 30 feet from the ground. so you had to have some sort of equipment to get up there. you couldn't just stand on the tarmac and do this to the plane. that said the flight attendants are not the authority on the flight. so getting back to the original question, who is right here? >> that's. this is a very interesting case and it really can come down to who has the authority to make that decision. is it united maintenance? is it united supervision who decides, is this a perceived credible threat? or is it flight attendance? my heart goes out to the flight attendants. they're the ones flying in the friendly skies so to speak. if i had known about this information as a passenger i wouldn't want to be on the plane. with that said, united takes measures to make sure credible threats are perceived and credible threats are looked into. what they are saying they looked into the credible threats. they have the authority to make that decision, unfortunately that doesn't come down to what the flight attendants wanted. jenna: what they are saying wendy, you could be basically right and still be breaking policy and therefore still could be fired. >> you can be fired but that is only one of the options that were available to the airlines. what really happened here is you know this is something that was missed. first of all it is a sick joke. any amateur will tell you jokes are supposed to be funny. in a post-9/11 world what was found on the tail cone of the plane was the last thing from a joke. so you have to look at the fact that a sweep apparently missed it. now what they're debating, did they miss it in seoul where the plane came from or did they miss it in san francisco? you lose either way. it was missed. how good was that security sweep? that is one of the things flight attendants cited. let's do it again and do it more carefully now that we know it was missed first time. jenna: that was denied. we don't really know, and wendy mentioned it here we don't know who did this and we don't know anything about it. sort of this weird thing that happened and i wonder if legally this sets a bad precedence if united is allowed to fire them? they already had, the challenge doesn't go through is this a bad precedent for flight attendants if they are concerned that a plane needs to be served? >> absolutely could set a bad precedence. united has to be careful how they approach the case. what wendy was saying, we don't know when the threatening message was written. with that in mind there should have been more precautionary measures to look into that. united has to look into the policies and they will have to consider is this growing to be a bad precedent and how will this affect future flight attendants and whether they fly. jenna: i'm sure all the passengers want to think about it. would i want to fly on the plane and have it checked one more time even with the little smiley face. >> i wouldn't. jenna: i wouldn't either. great to have both of you. thank you so much. >> thank you. jon: an update on a case we told you about earlier in the week. a 17-year-old girl diagnosed with hodgkins disease decides she doesn't want to have chemotherapy and her mother supports her decision. but the state is now forcing her to undergo the treatment. and highest court in connecticut is about to weigh in. we're live with the story. jenna: the connecticut supreme court today is now set to decide the case of a teenager named casandra c. she is diagnosed with hodgkin's lymphoma opted not to have chemotherapy and her mother supported that decision. then the state stepped in, forcing the teen to undergo what it calls, life-saving treatment. laura engles live outside of the state courthouse in hartford, connecticut with more. >> reporter: jenna, lawyers for casandra and her mother hope in the end this court will give the 1-year-old the right to make her own health care decisions and treatment moving forward. we've been talking about this moving forward. the homeschooled teen was diagnosed with high-risk hodgkin's lymphoma in september. she and her mother asked for second opinion and refused recommended chemotherapy treatment. doctors called the department of children and families to step in. november, a trial court granted an order of temporary custody to dcf which has since helped orchestrate chemo treatments at hospital where casandra remains in agency custody. casandra's mother jackie horton is here in court as her lawyer argues that her daughter in legal terms should be considered a mature mine more which would allow her to make her own decisions. this whole thing she says is forcing the state to do something with her body she simply doesn't want so do. >> my daughter doesn't want to die and i don't want her to die. people out there think that, i'm letting her do a death sentence and i'm not. and neither is she. we are saying, these are her rights. she is are her constitutional rights have been taken away. >> reporter: the state's dcf issued this statement to fox which reads in part, under this circumstances, when there is a medical consensus that action must be taken or the child will die, the department has the clear and urgent responsibility to save the life of this child. back here live at the state supreme court, oral arguments are about to begin any minute. lawyers tell us due to time sensitivity of this case they do expect a decision to be made in the next few days. we'll bring you destates as we get them. jenna: very interesting case laura, thank you. jon: and some stories we're working to bring you in the next hour of "happening now." a collision brings to a harrowing ordeal. trapped and dragged for 16 miles by a big-rig on a highway. how did they get out? 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