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FOXNEWSW Hannity September 27, 2014

Oklahoma city. 30yearold alton nolen, according to witnesses and detectives, earlier in the day has been fired where he worked as a production line employee. After he was fired he went to his car, drove to the parking lot, rammed into another car and walked into the office, attacked two women randomly and attacked with a stan ard issued knife used at the facility. He cut his first victims head off. As he was stabbing his second victim, the companys coo, mark vaughan pulled out his Service Weapon and you can hear him shooting and injuring the suspect at the end of the call. We dont know where the person went. He went through our front office, stabbed a woman in our Customer Service department. Can you hear this in the background . Is that him . Hes back . Yeah. It sounds like hes running around out here. And thats a gunshot. Got a gun shot. The fbi is looking into reports that nolen not only tried to convert people at his work to islam but also witnesses say he was shouting islamic phrases during his attack. Detectives say he was a recent convert to islam. Thats where his prison stint is being investigated whether or not he was converted in prison and if so was he radicalized there possibly. He spent time in prison for drugrelated charges and for assaulting an officer released back in march of 2013. Two more notes, the woman he killed, 54yearold colleen hufford. Neighbors say she was a lovely lady. The second note is local Islamic Community in Oklahoma City says they are worried about possible acts against them now in response to this. Theres no mention of whether or not they were looking at the possibility there might be some other radicalized elements out there. Sean, a lot going on here as you might imagine. A lot of people are on edge in this part of the country. Thank you so much. Joining me now with more on the investigation is the moore police sergeant, jeremy lewis is with us. Sergeant, first of all, thoughts and prayers out to the community. I know you were hit hard after the tornado. I was there and saw the devastation myself. Tell us what you know at this hour. At this time its a lot hasnt changed today. The investigations ongoing as far as our detectives investigating the homicide portion of the event. The fbis actually investigating the background of the suspect at this time. Is there anything that we know that might have been said as this was taking place . For example, was he a disgruntled employee . Did this have to do with islam . Obviously we have isis in the news, beheadings are in the news. We have a call by isis to have lone attacks, have sole people go out there and attack. This happens right after that. I havent heard of a beheading that i can think of in years. Do you suspect it can be related . That all of those are issues that are being looked at and investigated. Thats why once some of the indications of his past and his ties to the islamic religion thats whenever we notified the fbi and involved them in the investigation. They have a lot more resources in that area. And thats why that portion of the investigation has been turned over to them. Correct me if im wrong, it is a very difficult, brutal, evil, barbaric thing to sever somebodys head. And he used a knife to do this . Do we know how long a period of time this took, sir . Just from the 911 calls, again, that also is something detectives are looking at. But just from the time we were there in less than a minute and a half we had officers at the scene. The shots were actually fired on the dispatch call before we arrived. But the time that the call came in until we were there was a very short period of time. So this attack was very quick. And was continuing until the deputy fired his weapon. Let me ask you there was reports that he himself had been a recent convert to islam. And apparently he had tattoo certain islamic saying peace be upon you, which is used as a greeting by muslims. And were told that he had that in his last prison stint, which would have been back in 2013. So that might have been a considerable more period of time. Do we know when he converted . I actually do not. I do not have that information. Have not been given any information on exactly when he converted to islam. What do we know about his coworkers that were saying he was trying to convert them . And do we have any indication that that was related to his firing . I dont have that. As far as that type of information, once that was given to our detectives, thats when they contacted the fbi. And they have honestly, they have not given me any information revolving around the statements or any indication of exactly what the reason for him entering the business. Our detectives do have a lot of information theyre looking at with the fbi, but i myself have not been privilege to that information. Can you confirm if what people are reporting in terms of his website are actually his website . Because theres pictures of him up there, a lot of things related to radical islam up there. Is that the website you believe is his . I have received pictures of a website. I cant confirm that that is his website. I know that the fbi and our local detectives are aware of a specific website. I believe its a Facebook Page that they are looking into. But we myself, i cannot confirm that that is actually his site. Okay. Because i can show i know that there was one beheaded one picture of somebody beheaded on there. Im not sure if youre aware of that. And, you know, for example things we suspect might be his says americas socalled helps iraq which not, why cant you help the gaza citizens against israel. I upload this picture because america and israel are wicked, wake up muslims. You have another Facebook Post that talks about why the world hates america. You know, everything god says dont do america does. Dont be intoxicated. Dont gamble. Dont lust. Marijuana, newborns and circumcision. Man for women, women for man, americas legalized samesex marriage, America Sells in its Grocery Stores pork, cut off their hands, america, et cetera. If someone gets killed here it goes on and on. Is that the site police are investigating . Can you confirm that part . Yes. We are aware of that site. And that is being looked at to confirm who actually is the owner of that site. So is there anything else that maybe you can tell us at this stage in the investigation what we know . Do we know if he attended a local mosque . Do we know who he associated with . Do you suspect he was acting alone . We at this time we have not had any contact with him as far as our agency. He actually lived and worked in our city. He does have a prior criminal past, but as far as our Police Department this is the first incident we have had with him. So its just actually been less than 24 hours were still gathering as much information about this person as we can to figure out who his associates are and what exactly he has been doing. Sayid mohamed is a spokesperson for the Islamic Society of greater Oklahoma City. And he said hes concerned theyre taking more security alerts. But as a result of this incident and he said antimuslim sentiments could be heightened because of what has happened here and whats happened with isis. Then he said they have this isis thing on their minds and now this guy has brought it to america. What do you make of his comment . Well, you know, i understand his comments. Of course theres tension everywhere right now with everything thats going on here and abroad. And incidents like this which thats why were investigating to find out exactly what ties this person had, but if we do find out, you know, that he was some extremist or anything like that that thats the way it will be handled. The fbi ultimately will take over the investigation. One last question. You talked about mark vaughan in an interview, he was the Oklahoma County reserve deputy. He was the guy that stepped in because he had started stabbing another woman. And he shot the person involved here. You called him a hero. Hes a hero in your mind . Absolutely. Theres no doubt he would have definitely killed the second female. And there were over 200, 300 more people inside the business that he was going after. It was obvious he was not going to stop if mark would not have shot him, i dont know how many people he would have killed. All right. Sergeant, thank you so much for being with us. We appreciate your time tonight. Thank you. My next guests were at the scene of the crime, vaughan foods in moore, oklahoma, before it was shut down for the investigation. Here to tell us what they saw, sarah jensen and rob morris. Sarah, well start with you. You got there before the police did . Or before they actually set up police tape, et cetera . I did. You know, we office only probably about a mile from the actual Food Distribution plant. And so i was the first on the scene. I started getting my camera out and kind of gathering facts trying to figure out what exactly was going on there. Im not going to lie, after about ten minutes of being there i was told this is still an active shooter situation where they thought it could be. So i was asked to get back in my car. And from my car is where i really watched officers, you know, Walking Around heavily armed really making sure all these employees were safe and in a good spotd and that they had secured the perimeter. It was first as i understand it reported yesterday as a stabbing. Did you know then and there that it was a beheading . No, i did not. Actually, we didnt learn that information until early this morning that that was actually the extent of that womans injuries. We just knew she had been stabbed and her injuries were quite severe obviously leading to her death. And then there was a second woman that was injured critically. But thats all we knew as of last night. Its pretty scary in every way. If you look back, isis on september 21st their chief spokesman actually put out, if you can kill a disbelieving american or european especially the spiteful and filthy french or australian or canadian or any other disbeliever from the disbelievers waging war including citizens of countries that have entered into the coalition against the Islamic State, kill him in any manner or way however it may be. And this was the call, rob, for the lone wolf to act here. So beheadings are in the news. I dont remember a time in my memory when there was one that we have reported on. And then all of a sudden they call for a lone wolf. And then this incident happens. From your standpoint, and listening to the community, what connection . Well, obviously the communitys quite disturbed. And youre right, its chilling when you put those two things together because there havent been beheadings that were aware of. And so everybodys aware of what isis has done with journalists recently. So its real easy to make that connection. And obviously everybody takes that seriously. And what were hearing in the community, first of all, moore doesnt ever get much in the way of murder. The most we ever had in one year was four, and that was about six or seven, maybe even eight years ago. Typically its one murder or no murders in a years time. And to have one this heinous happen is really has a Chilling Effect on the entire community. Is it directly connected to the beheadings and the call for the lone wolf attack . Time will bear that out. I have confidence in the fbi. And i have a great deal of confidence in my local police in finding that out. Thank you for being with us. Well continue to have more developments and analysis of this brutal beheading in oklahoma as well as the suspects ties to radical islam with our terror experts ahead on hannity. There will be a lot more martyrdom from the United States going forward. A lot of brothers there are mobilizing right now. Vice news releasing a very disturbing warning from a canadian isis fighter. Just how much are americans at risk for a terrorist attack on our homeland and how do we protect the homeland . More as hannity continues. Welcome back to hannity. Ties to islam, well, americas been warned yet again that the threat of extremism on the homeland is real. Warning about the groups next target. Watch this. So there will be a lot more martyrdom operations coming from the Islamic State going forward. There will be attacks in new york a lot of brothers there are mobilizing right now. Really . And what are they mobilizing for . Mobilizing for a brilliant attack, my friend. And thats not all. Just yesterday the iraqi Prime Minister said isis was plotting to attack subway systems in the u. S. And in paris. He said its imminent. Here to tell us what all this means for our safety and to talk about the oklahoma beheading suspect, ties to radical islam, terror suspect former cia covert operations operator mike baker with us. Steve, i knowed when the iraqi Prime Minister said that the attack on new york subways and paris subways were imminent, our government was very fast to just dismiss it, theres no threat that we know of. Why would they be so quick to do that considering hes saying their intelligence agencies found it . Well, i must say the dismissals of his warnings didnt come from political officials. They came from career intelligence officials. And im sort of sympathetic with those denials because ive spoken to fbi officials today, i was on the phone with fbi officials all day today on various matters including the threats and new threats issued by isis against particular individuals against the u. S. And including the attack in oklahoma. And i dont think the intelligence bears up what the Prime Minister said. He simply didnt provide the evidence for the statement. But i do think that the call, the general calls for decapitations for killings of americans, for australians, brits, anybody who is an enemy of islam is being taken very seriously. And i think we are on the highest alert since the days after 9 11 for terrorist attacks on the homeland. Let me ask you this, mike. The iraqi Prime Minister says this, but we have the fbi director comey talking about this group, the khorasan group, that weve just really been learning about a lot in recent days saying that group is at the top of the list of things i worry about. Thats a little to me its contradictory, no . If the fbi director feels bad about that group, we have the warning coming from the iraqi Prime Minister, one theyre saying theyre worried about, one theyre saying dont worry about. I think part of the concern what the iraqi Prime Minister was saying, a, it was strange for him to disseminate information like that. Normally it wouldnt come through those channels. We havent been able to corroborate within the Intel Community or as steve mentioned through fbi or Law Enforcement. So setting that aside and for whatever reason, again, you have to take that and you have to still attack it as if its valid until you can prove that its not credible as a threat. But overall we have all the information we need to say that the threat to the homeland is very, very serious at this point. Whether were talking about from khorasan or the Islamic State, we know that theyve been having increasing success in doing exactly what theyve been trying to do for years in gathering up western recruits so that they can release them into the homeland and create these attacks. Heres my big question. Assuming for a minute here that all of what i have found that seems to be this guy involved in this beheadings Facebook Page and everything that is put up there support of radical islam including somebody thats been beheaded. I have a picture. I wont show it if that turns out, steve emerson, to be his website, my question is why isnt the fbi finding these things . Why isnt Law Enforcement finding these things ahead of time . That would be a red alert, a siren ought to be going off looking for these sites, no . Well, under your assumption, yes. But you know how many websites there are, how many Facebook Pages there are . There was another incident this past week where our Research Group found that isis had tweeted a website for or a site for a 1100page terrorist manual which included the most incredibly technically advanced dont we have the technology that you put in a search that wed have the ability to find certain key words that are on certain sites . Theres got to be some Technological Advancement within our government that would be able to do that rather simply. Yeah, but you know what . If you put in those words, you still need humans to look at it. This is where ed snowdens hysterical accusations went wrong. You can pick up all those words, but the fact is you pick up 10 million words, you still need a human to say this means something. So the reality is they dont have enough agents to really look at all the Facebook Pages that have radical postings. And in fact this past week i can tell you that the fbi missed something that was quite big because they didnt have enough people to look at the 25,000 look. Isis issues 25,000 tweets every single day. Do you think the bureau has the ability to look at every single one . I would make it a top priority. But maybe if we have to prioritize, i certainly think thats got to be at the top of the list. Mike, your Quick Response to that. You pointed to a very important issue here and i think its not getting enough concern, which is look, the pendulum switches. It moves all the time between Civil Liberties and protection of the homeland. No Civil Liberties issue though, mike. This is what theyre putting on their own websites. My point being that a concern i think we need to be dealing with is over the past couple of years no surprise worriness from the war on terror, the narrative weve been decimating al qaeda, the snowden leaks, its caused the pendulum, its called a calibrati

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