this reminds me of my own school days when they would let me on campus without my shots. of course those were for rabies. all right, zuby. do you think the contagious nature of this -- that it's less of a moral shaming when the doctor saying oh, i don't want them to infect my other patients. >> zuby: it's just become cultish. with what we even know about these vaccines, even if people have taken them and have gotten both doses, they can still catch the virus. they can still spread the virus. it's become a real partisan, tribal, cultish. i think people just want to take anger and frustration out on whoever they are classifying as the other side or whoever they want to demonize. there has been this foolish to split the population in this false binary of the vaccinated