Transcripts For CSPAN2 Key Capitol Hill Hearings 20150219 :

Transcripts For CSPAN2 Key Capitol Hill Hearings 20150219

We have needed to be vigilant to ensure that under age people, and quite a few girls do not get drawn away from our democratic society. So it made us a little bit laboratory and as weve seen it and as we heard the stories of the mothers, of the sisters of the brothers and the girlfriends of those who were left behind we see that radicalization process is a process of indoctrination together with a process of isolation. The first indoctrination as i told you they will be consistently bombarded with a particular radical message so he or she has the idea forced upon him that he has a special part to play in history, that he is a special part to play in bringing about the caliphate. And he must become a real hero in the history of creation of the islamist state. Thats the message they always constantly are receiving. And the second number of the radicalization process is isolation. Isolation usually starts with converging to islam because most of young people have left the country had a problematic history with their families with the mosque. It was a constant arguing between fathers and sons what it was to be a muslim in europe come in my country. They didnt frequently visit a mosque. And so it started most of the isolation process with instruction to convert to islam. But soon the demand falls that all ties be broken with christians, with a moderate muslims, with friends, with family. And so theyre trying to get them to the point where people feel that they have been chosen to take part in the fight in syria and iraq. So both processes indoctrination and isolation are taking place in the context amid the conflict in syria and iraq that has gone on for years has covered permit by the mass media. So also there is a kind of factor because they are feeling a little bit or the art believe the International Community as a coward a coward community, not reacting firmly enough against the brutality of the war over there. So this process of indoctrination and isolation is much more successful among people with a weak position in society or who are struggling with their identity. As i told youngsters are the second and third generation, miners also to recruit him by isolation and indoctrination works best among people carrying with them a lot of frustrations from the past and who may have no chance in more of achieving anything in society they grew up. And then you asked me what is the reaction of the. Well, they tried to turn it around, try to reform the information, we tried to reform the isolation process as by a process of rebuilding social networks around the youngsters. We are trying to mobilize the Civil Society. Were going to schools, trying to motivate schools teachers sports clubs or mosques to Work Together with the welfare of my city with the public authorities to rebuild, restore the social network around the young people so that they can feel that they are belonging to our society that they get a future in our society, that they get opportunities and especially our young man, its always said you have to give them new opportunities, new opportunities at another time new opportunities. So you have to restore, you have to motivate Civil Society to Work Together to restore the social network. And second thing is that instead of letting them be bombarded by messages and indoctrination processes, we do have to inform them. We do have to inform them what it is to be a real muslim in western society. What it is to be muslim. So, therefore, we need to have people knowing the koran and knowing the religion. And so these are things we are bringing together around partner tables, the social no books, the people who are important in the lives of the youngsters, together with people who are very ingrained with the real islamic values. So that brings me to three short conclusions. The first conclusion is youre facing a global problem but you have to act locally. We have to see that we cant win the war against radicalism and extreme violent behavior of minority only by bombing in syria and iraq. We also have to combat in our cities, in the neighborhoods especially in the vilvoorde neighborhoods, we have to make break down those a try to radicalize all the people, those who try to recruit. That brings me to the second thing. We all have to do that on all political levels. We all have to do it and we have to stop the kind of policy i see everywhere. I see everywhere a kind of policy, their countries in europe as a they dont have a problem, but they wont maybe not see a problem. I see cities also in my country navy are facing problems also of radical but who dont dare to talk about it, who dont dare to ask their society to get to where. And so that brings me to the third thing. The third brief consideration i made, and i promised to talk about icebergs because radicalism grows were integration fails. And radicalism gross whether or a lot of frustrations. And the people i talk about you have a history of a lot of frustration. And its like an iceberg. We only see the top but its much future under the water line. And so we have to work on this frustration that his social policies, and its labor market policy education policy. So we have to work on these huge amount of frustration and as anyone knows, you can only build an iceberg with warmth, and that is what our youth needs. They need more warmth. Thank you very much. [applause] you do some very important work bolstering traditional scholars and institutions in the radical movement. Can you describe for us how you believe how those programs work and how you believe that helps incoming recruitment and radicalization . Thank you. Hi, everybody. Its a pleasure to be here today. What is going on, on the field the day is condemnation of what is going in the a type of and frustrations in mines, and psyches, and the internet and elsewhere. So what we are witnessing on the field is just the tip of the iceberg. My sense in the psyches and in the brains are the net in the society. Now we are witnessing a mutation in the extreme discourse but it is not just a few sectarian discourse. It is often a dream, dream of dignity and dream of unity. Dream of unity because the muslim world witnessed a clash in 1924, in many countries and countries in the muslim world like they were more often than not in this frame because it has its own but majority of countries felt decisions were taken and assembled. So people felt orphanage and they were looking for a father. Its a sort of panacea to fulfill but everybody will seek him out after. So in morocco we were aware of the fact that this is a dream that is being offered, and we need to shape a political islamic theory that will respond to that. And this if you can follow up history, you see that this is what happened in many countries. And in morocco it was the case but in 1979 in iran after the iranian revolution that was which is what in daesh and boko haram are claiming. It is not a game. They are doing it for a political purpose because it has set a flaw that cannot be displayed and let from this position. But their legitimacy is the question. This discourse needs to be deconstructed, and this is what you were trying to do in morocco. We have been through the literature, extremist literature literature, oral, written, visual, on the internet. And weve discovered some repetitive items such as the west has been conspiring the west has flaunted issue in the muslim world so we need to do something about that. They will say that those governors, are not doing what it needs to be done so we need to do it ourselves. They will highlight the fact that there has been close and. Millions have been killed and the states be addressed. We need to do what you can do about this. They will talk about go talk to double standard, talk about the fact that there is this cocktail iraqi, afghani, some african cocktail. Seven, bill talk about the infiltration a matter of values and to matter of ideology. And eight last but not least, bill talk about their value system that is being challenged and we need to do something about this. And for all that they daesh people will come and use the vacuum that was created but during the 16th, 17th and 18th area religion was not a dress and tackled as it should have been tackle the. We have armories of officials, religious officials in the muslim world. Take the example of egypt give 280,000 officials that are being paid by the public money. In saudi arabia you have 300000 people. In morocco you have 70000. Internation europe 35,000. Those people in tunisia your 35,000. Those people need to be icons and empowerment. This would require some curricula, address, and some work to reshape those people and enable them to do this. Because they are already on the payroll and this is what they have been trained for. So in morocco weve been doing this. We have twice a month training for over 50,000 people. And were offering some curricula what could make them aware of those challenges. Then weve been going through a section after deconstruction force and seize it is offering the dream of unity and dignity. Put yourself in the shoes in this skin of 18 year or 20 years old guy work, jobless, angry frustrated and reading on the net that comes to the most beautiful woman who overcome debate and we will make you, we have intelligence in daesh. Come to you and i will make a few scholars. We need to offer alternatives. And this work in the dream arena is very crucial. And here comes the role of the layers of factions in social structures, in academia universities and Research Centers, and so on. So this fact that they traditional institutions need to be re empowered is something that we have been working on. Sections of perception, were talking to youth we need them to be the ones who are doing for themselves. They do not need idol faces on those actions. They need those actions to be there. This is why we have program for kids and people, youngsters we have cartoons under trying to work on video games. This is not very easy but those videogames need to be appealing. They need to be as colorful, as joyful as those wonderful video games. And last but not least we need to beware of the fact that there has been a vacuum in the structures, the structures like the order structure, like the extent of this is a vacuum called extremism. And in morocco weve been working on this just to wrap up, we need to be aware of the facts that what is being offered is in the arena of content. And we need to work in the contact, we need to mobilize our universities and our Research Centers to shape and integrated collaborative strategy to work towards all those i mentioned to tackle the issue. And this is what we have been trying to do in morocco so far. Thank you. [applause] we are running a tight ship you. Thank you. Oren at the Antidefamation League used to do all kinds of violent extremism, special athletes to antisemitism. Can you talk about the resources youve created to empower communities . Okay, slight about 140 characters or less so let me just say in the Jewish Community the concept of violent extremism is not abstract. Its very real, and so at abl domestic but the national were trying to deal with mitigate this threat of violent extremism. We dont have the lecturing frankly to focus on what extremist limit over another. And so the discussion today and in the coming days come and for a while its really imperative for us, based on a Research Group based on the trends we are seeing, and, frankly, based on the threat not just to the Jewish Committee but to the entire American Community that we look not just at one community. Violent extremism is not a Muslim Community problem. Its an american problem. It [applause] its also a problem that is international. And so we are looking to ways to mitigate that threat. We have defined partners to help us do that. And so ive adl with the multiple different partners. You know, i still believe that effective countermeasures, counter narratives, effective ways to counter violent extremists to work through Law Enforcement. Thats important to we heard about on the panel today informed Law Enforcement entity agencies, the more that they know not just about the communities but about the actual threats. Thats where a deal steps in because of our research. And so if we take for example, the threat of white supremacist and white right wing extremist a look at the amount of murders in this country in the past say 10 years, 95 of murders against americans, and that includes Law Enforcement, have been caused advance of right wing extremists. We have to remember that fact were coming up with strategy. But that doesnt mean that we can do with these various different movements at the same time. While we have to recognize the diversity of the threats, we also want to recognize that each threat requires a unique set of remedies and strategies to combat them. So dealing with a sovereign citizen movement, which is likely going to get any confrontation with a Law Enforcement officer because they dont recognize authority, is a very different approach than one giving with american citizens who are motivated by the radical interpretations of islam. We cant have the same remedies we have to treat them separately. Its important to have a space to deal with isis and alqaeda to discuss that. Its also important to have a space to do with white supremacists. And, of course we can learn about what their commonalities are. Obviously, they all hate jews for one. But in other ways theres also a commonality. But we also to make sure that when we are looking at the specific threats that we are really identifying them for what they are. So when we look at american citizens a try to to isis and alqaeda over the past say three years, what have we noticed . These are people of diverse backgrounds, diverse religions diverse races. Yeah, diverse religions as well. Perhaps they are responding to the call you know radical violent extremism that his motive by a radical interpretation of islam. But these people are not muslims themselves in many cases. We have to understand that the krishna converted to islam just two days ago believes that are part of isis and alqaeda. Does that make them part of the Muslim Community . So the resources that we put in to creating positive relationships with Muslim Community is very important but we cannot forget all those who are not within the Muslim Community that are responding to these threats as well. Profiling doesnt work. So the more we are educated about the actual people that are getting radicalized, the better were going to be in terms of finding these remedies. Im going to conclude in this because i know were short on time. In addition to Law Enforcement, we found a very willing partner in terms of the Technology Industry as a whole. Ive read a lot about a lot of criticism, why dont we just have facebook and twitter and youtube, et cetera, et cetera, just remove all this stuff so people wont have access to and they wont get radicalized . Besides the fact is completely impractical and we also freedom of speech in this country the rail is that these companies are doing something about it. There are different levels. Weve worked with them. They have endorsed adls best practices which basically reminds people, there uses config people are trying to exploit their services as well that not only is there a legacy of Technical Innovation that has me created by these areas Technology Companies but these Companies Take seriously the fact that people are trying to exploit them. And so theyre trying to also come up with Creative Solutions to mitigate those who want to exploit them. They are responsive, part of the Community Coming up with strategy. Thats been a critical partner for adl as well. And, finally i have to say at the end of the day whats the most effective way to sort of walk somebody off that ledge . You can share information with Law Enforcement. You can share a strategy with the tech industry. But when you have your own peers who are willing to not only identify a problem but have the courage to step up thats part of this narrative as well. So or Educational Programs where we go to schools to try to train them not to be innocent bystanders that they have a voice starting at the age of eight and nine. If you see something you can Say Something as well. Its not just a Law Enforcement mantra. You see someone getting bullied, you see someone being stereotyped in a negative way well, even at that age we are trying thing you could do something about it. Because of that valley of not being a bystander of having a voice, using positive speech to combat negative speech thats what were talking about in this arena of countering violent extremism. So we have to start young and then take it from there. Thank you very much for your time. [applause] please join in thanking the rest of our panelists for the comments to the and please use the opportunity lunchtime to you more about their programs. Thank you. [applause] [inaudible conversations] today on cspan2, the white house summit on combating terrorism continues with opening remarks by suggested john kerry. You can watch it live at 8 45 a. M. Eastern. And later more about efforts to prevent terrorism when former white house officials from the obama and george w. Bush administrations take part in a discussion at the center for strategic and international studies. Bob schieffer of cbs news moderate. Live coverage begin at 5 30 p. M. Eastern. Traveling to use a cities to learn about their history and literary life. This weekend we partner with Time Warner Cable for a visit to greensboro, north carolina,. 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