screaming people towards me. like you said, it was like the apocalypse. hi, there, i'm brianna keilar in for wolf blitzer. thank you so much for joining us. a sense of calm has settled over istanbul with the main airport open again hours after a devastating terror attack. the images are very disturbing. some are calling this attack an act of defines in the face of terror that claimed the lives of 41 people. more than 230 more were injured after three attackers opened fire and then blew themselves up. two inside the international arrivals terminal, the other outside in a parking lot. no one at this point has claimed responsibility but it is believed that this was either carried out by isis or inspired by the terror group. a bloody, disturbing scene. >> i just heard these screams. i turn around the corner and it is just this wall of people running towards me, tripping over themselves, police with guns out. there was some old chap with a wheelchair, just horrendous really. i guess the worst thing was when the police were funneling us out of the airport. clearly there were families that had been split up, tour groups split up. people were looking back towards the airport shouting names and the police are pushing them out and they are getting into arguments over wanting to go back in, whether or not they have been killed or injured or lost in the chaos is anyone's guess. >> here, you can see in this video, one of the attackers running through the terminal apparently shot by police or airport security. he loses his gun. that was what you saw on the floor that was sliding out there. moments later, he detonated the explosive. we have cnn senior international correspondent. nima elbagr and white house correspondent, michelle kosinski with the president in canada today. nima, today was declared a national day of mourning. 14 of the victims were foreign nationals, six from saudi arabia. what are turkish officials saying about the nationalities of the attackers? >> well, it is still, as we understand it, very difficult to try and glean anything conclusive from the forensic evidence. a senior turkish official tells us that all that is left of the attackers is the lower parts of their bodies. early indications that these were foreign nationals. the two biggest isis attacks so far were carried out by turkish citizens. this is something a little different for years turkey had been suffering from the reality of being the entry point for foreign nationals. this is a race against time to figure out who else is out there. how can we move fast enough to stop this bigger network breaking up and leaving the country? >> what about this taxi driver that's being questioned, the one that brought the attackers to the airport? >> reporter: so much of this attack echos in the most chilling ways. very similar to what the brussels tackers do, getting dropped off by a taxi driver they had no connection with. we understand authorities have interviewed the man, they have released him and they are looking very deeply into all of the details he has given them, again, to try and retrace the footsteps and make their way back to a safe house or safe houses potentially where this network could be seeking refuge now. >> tell us, nima, it is pretty interesting that the airport is back up and running. was that surprising to you or not? >> reporter: it is absolutely extraordinary. you can see as we have been talking, people have been walking behind us, air crew, captains. this happened within five hours this morning. when we arrived, they were still hosing down some of the blood from the pavement and putting up barriers from the tarmac area that had been ripped through by the destination. very quickly, though, this seemed like a normal busy day at any normal busy airport. the reality is weighing heavily on all these passengers moving through the busiest airports in the world. this just happened. these very doors are where people ran screaming out of yesterday evening. it is a testament, i think, to how quickly this country is attempting to piece the pieces of their lives back together that they are able to try and bring some sort of normality here. >> i want to bring in michelle kosinski now. you are traveling with president obama and his top aides in canada, michelle. what are you hearing from them as far as reaction? >> reporter: we just heard from the president for the first time since the attacks. we know he placed a call to the turkish president offering condolences and u.s. assistance if needed. we see the specter of global terrorism hang over other work the president is trying to do. this meeting is supposed to be about north american issues, primarily trade. we see the president having to talk about isis. even though there isn't a claim about responsibility, we see the white house talking about as if this was isis inspired or a primary possibility right now. talking about the fight against isis and the fact that there have been gains. there is still obviously this concern about isis' continued ability to launch attacks and the commitment remains to ultimately defeat it. listen. >> i had a chance to speak to president erdogan earlier today to discuss with him not only how heartbroken we have been by the images of the injured and those killed, but also to reaffirm our strong commitment to partner with turkey, with nato, with the broad-based alliance that we have structured around the world to fight isil. we stand with the people of turkey and we intend to do what's necessary to make sure that these kinds of terrible events are not happening. >> remember, it was only two weeks ago that the president of turkey was calling president obama to offer his condolences over the orlando terror attacks. i think it is inevitable that the president is going to face questions about the fight against isis, the ability of isis to launch these kinds of attacks, any potential risk to the united states in the press conference. it is going to happen in about two hours. another issue is the relationship with turkey. the white house has faced repeated questions over the last year about turkey's commitment to fighting isis, over how much are they doing to seal that border? which remains for about 60 miles or so still unsealed according to the white house. while today the white house wants to emphasize continuing to prioritize the work with turkey against isis in that reegion. they acknowledge there is more work still to do. brianna? >> michelle kosinski traveling with the press and nima elbagir in istanbul. thanks to both of you for your reports i want to take a closer look at this terror attack. here with me to talk about this is tom peuentes and kimberly dozier, cnn global affairs analyst and contributing writer for "the daily beast" and retired admiral james lloyd, former deputy security of homeland security and tsa administrator. tom, i want to start with you about some of the coordinations of these attacks. we have seen the video of the blast and the video of the attacker running through a terminal and blowing himself up. i want you to take us through what you see in these videos. >> well, in this one where you have the terrorist shot down and apparently wounded, the police officer must see that he is wearing the vest and figures he is going to explode it shortly. so he runs away and then we do see the bomber detonate the vest. so we do have that. the shame being that maybe if he could have killed him in the first place, he wouldn't have had a chance to detonate. i know some have said he may have had a dead man's switch, which means if you kill him and he let's go, the bomb goes off. however, i would question that because only how do you operate a semi automatic rifle if you capital let go of the button. that's one argument that it may not have been a dead man's switch. >> one thing i notice, it seems like the terrorist seems to lift his arm up at the end before the explosion. i remember being shown suicide bomb vest factories in iraq where they show you the triggers. some of the triggers had a ball in them so that if an arm was raised, that ball made a connection which would blow it up. this is speculation here but that's one of the traditional ways that the precursor to isis, al qaeda barack used to blow up suicide vests. >> we see this inside the terminal. the expectation that he may have shot his way through security. this is supposed to be one of the most secure airports in the world. it shows there are limitations. >> the single most important lesson that tsa and the other folks thinking about security at larnl in the airport complex has learned the combination of the delivery by the taxi cab, the external to the terminal effort and that, of course, provokes the requirement to think through very carefully if you are establishing a security checkpoint external to the terminal, that, in an of itself becomes a choke point that offers another soft target for the bad guys. the challenge, i believe, which is underway. the thinking has been underway for the last couple of years to ponder the notion of expanding the security envelope away from the terminal building itself to the access points of not only cabs and foot traffic and other vehicular traffic to the terminal building itself but to the wider security concerns with respect to the people that are there, the vendors, all the players that pop late the airport on a daily basis. when do we find our way towards background investigations of those players as to focusing inside the terminal building. >> i do wonder as you have seen some of these videos, you are finding out more and more about these coordinated attacks. what does it tell you about the experience level of these attackers? >> the intelligence officers i have been speaking to have said it could either be isis or kurdish separatists. because they both have the level of military training and experience to conduct this kind of attack, these three attackers were very cool and collected. they weren't like some of the suicide bombers you see who have actually been drugged and tied into the car before attacking. these guys were alert. they knew what they were doing. they used the element of surprise to get through that first layer. they hit at that time of the night when there weren't many people around ireither. people weren't expecting this either. they were able to go in three different directions and cause as much damage as possible. some are call teeing commando style attack. boeing the kurdish separatists and isis used suicide bombers. >> what do you think about the experience level, tom? >> i agree. that's why it is difficult to say positively it is isis, it is al qaeda, it is all kn nusra. as kim mentioned, we saw suicide vests in iraq in the early 2000s after our invasion. they are probably not that much different wired. some were triggered electronically. some were dead men switches and some were buttons to switch. there is a wide variety. hopefully, the authorities will get enough pieces of debris from the bomb components to look at who probably made it. which school of bomb making is this likely to have been from the way it was wired and the way it was detonated will tell them a lot about who might be mind this. >> tom, kimberly, admiral, thank you for all being on this panel. i appreciate it. coming up, homeland security is talking about how u.s. airports are protected along their perimeters. we have details on that next. our own nima elbagr gives us a close-up look at where one of these bombs went off. >> the first detonation was back there at the pickup and dropoff point. the force of the blast ripped across the tarmac. authorities have now shielded that. they are barricading that from public view. the blast traveled, you can see, all the way back here, where it ripped open the glass walls of the arrival, ripping the ceiling tiles out and this is what was raining down on the heads of those terrified passengers attempting to flee for their lives. on the ground around or feet are still shards of glass from that impact. you pay your car insurance premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah... surprise... your insurance company tells you to pay up again. why pay for insurance if you have to pay even more for using it? 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we'll look at all the factors including secretary of state john kerry's assessment that isis is acting out of desperation. stay with us. no claim of responsibility in the deadly terror attack in istanbul but they say they believe it was isis and came from outside of turkey. more than 120 people in the hospital injured in the gunfire and suicide explosions carried out by three people. two explosion wrs caugs were ca camera. they left people panicked and looking for a place to hide. >> it was very scary and frightening. i was there in the kitchen with somebody, probably chinese, we couldn't understand each other. we were there hiding. other people were trying to break the glass, trying to get out of the lawn nlg aoun nlg an in ore places. >> tuesday's attack on istanbul's airport bears the hallmark of isis. john kerry says the fact that isis could be the culprit shows they are desperate. >> yes, you can bomb an airport. you can blow yourself up. dash and others like it know we have to get it right 24-7. they have to get it right on a different scale. if you are desperate and know you are losing and know you want to give up your life, obviously, you can do some harm. >> i am joined by senior international correspondent, clarissa ward as well as julia cayenne, the author of the book, security mom. and bob bear, cnn security analyst and former cia operative. i want to star with you, clarissa. secretary kerry said isis is desperate. is that your read? >> there is no doubt about it isis has had a really tough year. you saw the u.s. led coalition targeting its oil infrastructure, the primary source of revenue and then you saw them through their kurdish allies and arab allies in syria and the iraqi army in iraq and the kurdish forces starting to nibble around the edges of the so-called caliphate of this vast swath of territory across syria and iraq. isis has lost a lot of money, territory and being hit hard in libya losing control of the key town of sirte. it is fair too say they are on their back foot. traditionally, isis retaliates by trying to launch spectacular attacks and trying to project an image they are still powerful and still on the offensive. absolutely, that plays a part in it. what we are seeing now is that isis is kind of moving the idea of the caliphate is moving from a physical land in iraq and syria to a virtual cat cal freight where they can wreak after vok and terror through their fans. >> people were startled for those familiar with aviation security. this is such a secure airport. when you see what happened there, is there anything else thatkov been done to prevent or minimize this attack? >> yes, because i always go by the philosophy na if you lose 30 plus people in an attack like this, there is something to learn. what i can tell from the pictures is essentially you had roving patrols, usual in terms of security. the capability of three terrorists. do they need more manpower? can they push security further. let's be perfectly honest with each other. airports are hard at the cockpit and the airplane. they get progressively softer as you get to the public arena. there is no way you can have a perfectly hardened airport like this or any major airport in the u.s. we have to use to minimize the risk and increase security presence. you are always going to have a bottleneck. on the other side is an insecure space that can be taken advantage of. >> c.i.a. director, john brennan said, quote, i'd be surprised if dash, isis is not trying to carry out that kind of atk in the united states. >> i would go beyond desperate and say it is apocalyptic. they believe end times are coming and i think john brennan is absolutely right. they are focused on us, whether it is europe or in this country. ataturk in istanbul was one of the best protected airport in the world. and if you look at jfk, anybody can walk into the arrivals part or pretty much anywhere after the hard line. >> na is so discomforting, juliette. they hear this assessment from brennan that this could happen in the u.s. >> you want the c.i.a. director to be thinking through the worst case scenario in particular for the homeland, which is the priority of any administration we have vulnerabilities in these mass transit systems, not just airports. what i would like to remind people, because it is disturbing. these are choices that we are making. we can't be paralyzed with we need to put more security on this. the moment you create a huge security apparatus that ties up the movement of people, you are going to start hearing the complaints that we heard a month ago that people are missing their flights. so the challenge of sort of transportation security in particular in the homeland is that balance between flow and security. it is constantly being recalibrated. you are not going to get the risk to zero if you want a transportation system to move millions of people every single week. >> when you are talking about tsa check points and whatnot, security at airports, that's really the last step in defending against isis. >> of course. >> obviously, there are other things that the u.s. government and allies are trying to do. where do they need to put in a little more work or change strategies in their effort to confront isis? >> i think the wup thing that everybody forgets about isis and it really bears mentioning again and again, is that isis thrives on the continued existence of president bashar al assad in syria and the syrian civil war. without bashar al assad continuing to drop barrel bombs on innocent civilians, they would lose their primary recruitment tool. the sunni, arab, muslim world while they are repulsed by isis, they feel very vulnerable. they feel the u.s. has thrown its full weight behind the shiites and iran and iraq and that nobody on some level is protecting them or defending them against people like bashar al assad. that makes isis have this coveted spot where you will get the full effort of all sunni muslims to take care of them and deal with them until they feel very strongly that bashar al assad must be dealt with first. >> there is a recommendation about assad. how real of a possibility is that? >> at this point, there is no indication the administration is changing its thinking on syria. a lot of diplomates have come out, i believe there were dozens, saying until bashar al assad goes, you will not have peace. >> it is such a complex problem as we talk about the geopolitical efforts here. we are talking about, obviously, what individuals can do. we're looking ahead here to a big travel weekend. what would you tell americans to do? >> well, i'll tell you what they told us in the cia, stay out of crowded places on the fourth of july. i know that doesn't sound reasonable. i think the chances of a major terrorist attack in this country is very, very difficult for the islamic state. it is not enough to change your patterns but if you are absolutely determined to avoid anything, do not go to crowded places, a subway, an airport or a fourth of july parade. >> juliette, people are not going to heed that. >> bob and i agree on a lot. if you think that one day a white flag is going to be waved over the world and we canall party in the streets any time soon, it is not going to happen. so you cannot go to crowded events or you can embrace the world and accept that there is a level of vulnerability and we like the parades and the concerts and everything else we are going to do this weekend. i don't like crowds generally but i will be at them this july fourth. >> july yettekayyem, bob b auchlt r, clarissa ward, thank you all. we will talk to someone that walked through this airport moments after the attack, what he saw, what he heard right after the break. you pay your car insurance premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah... surprise... your insurance company tells you to pay up again. why pay for insurance if you have to pay even more for using it? 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i think we are having trouble with our connection. just ahead, hillary clinton calling for deeper international ties. donald trump calls for waterboarding. how the attack and the terror threat are affecting the presidential race in the u.s. we are waiting and watching for a briefing from the state department as well as comments from the c.i.a. director, john brennan, if they make any comments about the attack in istanbul. we will bring those to you live. # we're back now with an eyewitness to the attack at istanbul airport. richard calnens. give us a sense. you had arrived on a flight. you saw all this chaos unfolding. people running and they are talking about a bomb and gunfire. what was your instinct? >> as we were moving toward the passport control, people were yelling there had been a bomb, explosion, gunfire. the crowd turned and was franticly rushing backwards, run noog runing into a corridor that ending up being a dead end. franticly trying to find a way out. it lasted a good hour or two. people looking for information about what had happened. there was talk about an explosion or gunfire. no one was sure. there was a constant threat of people coming around the corner and shooting. there were people cowering in the corners. after a couple hours, things settled down. after about three hours of being stuck in the corridors, the airport personnel came through and let us know the situation had been cleared. everybody was safe to move through passport control and out of the building. the police escorted us through the international rivals area, which was only 200 yards from where we had been. it turned out that area was where the explosions had occurred. as we passed through the area, we saw lots of smashed glass and collapsed ceiling and blood on the floor, clothes and suitcases scattered about the floors. a dusty smoke still linger ng the air. the police let us through and allowed us in the building. as we exit the building, about 1:00 a.m. last night, frantic scene outside. ambulances lining the outside of the airports, people franticly waiting for their loved ones to exit the building. people who had been stuck inside. we ended up walking along this highway here for a couple miles into we could catch a ride into town to leave the scene. >> richard, it is a terrible scene that we have heard from other people as well, people looking for their loved ones. thank you so much for sharing your account with us. i do want to get to the state department, the briefing is actually under way there. let's listen in. >> citizens should continue to check with local media and the social media sites and the website of the u.s. col sul at for the latest updates. i did want to mention the secretary is in northern ottawa with the president where he joined him with meetings of the prime minister nieto and erdogan. they discussed a prosperous and secure future for they did discuss concrete initiatives to promote peace, security, development to enhance our competitiveness in the global economy and to expand opportunities for our citizens. they also announced an historic north american climate clean energy and environment partnership that better harmonizes our country's climate and energy strategies. with that, over to you. >> start with istanbul. >> of course. >> given what happened and the series of attacks now in turkey this year, are you advising americans to put off travel or reconsider any plans they might have to visit turkey? >> sure. we saw yesterday, actually, partly coincidentally, that we did re-issue our travel warning, an updated travel warning, if you will. that was done in this case, frankly, it was an update of an existing travel warning. when an ordered departure in this case was approved, extended or changed for members of the embassy community. what had happened was we did extend the march 29th, 2016 ordered departure of turkey of family members from our consulate and two provinces through july. i'm speaking to why the travel warning was extended and reissued yesterday. but look -- >> monday night. >> monday night. you're right. but broadly speaking, and more in response to your question, we did note in this travel warning increased threats from terrorist groups to u.s. citizens, warning about the fact that extremists have targeted airports and transportation hubs throughout europe. not just within turkey. transportation systems, other vulnerable targets, if you will. and we have seen obviously a spate of ongoing terrorist incidents, terrorist attacks in turkey. but again, we're not saying americans should not travel to turkey. in any such instance, whether it was brussels, whether it was paris after the terrorist attacks there, we're simply reminding americans, as if they need reminding, but certainly trying to remind them to be up to date on the current information, to bring with them their street smarts, if i could put it that way, and to just be situationally aware when they're on the ground, and to be aware of these threats. >> hold on. i have just a couple -- >> of course, of course. >> you are not saying this is an islamic state attack, is that right? >> nobody has confirmed that yet. >> so you don't have information to believe that the islamic state was responsible for this attack? >> again, i cannot confirm that. people have spoken to it, but what i'm going to say is let's let the turkish investigation play itself out until we say who's responsible. >> and then i just wanted to ask, we heard the secretary speak from aspen on the attack. >> of course. >> there seems to be some dissonance between what he -- hear me out. >> sure. >> -- from what he said about this shows the increased desperation of isis and what, for example, mr. brennan said on the hill last week about there's been no reduction in the isis threat or their global reach to commit terrorism. so i just wanted to get your -- what exactly does the secretary mean when these terrorist attacks happen and he's saying that shows how they're getting weaker or more desperate. >> well, again, i'm not one to parse the secretary's words, but in this case what i think he's clearly indicating -- we've spoken to this, john and myself have spoken to this before -- as you increase pressure, as they losses territory and are under increased pressure on the battlefield in iraq, in syria -- we've seen that, they've lost territory, they're under increasing pressure, they've lost key footholds in fallujah and elsewhere. and as they are under pressure, or, rather, let me rephrase that. they're under pressure. but that does not affect their ability to carry out terrorist attacks either in europe or elsewhere in the world, in turkey especially. but we've also seen in baghdad and we've seen it in iraq. they are still capable, and in their desperation even perhaps more willing and liable to carry out these kind of attacks to continue to exert their will. >> what does that say then about the anti-isis campaign? as i recall, it was to fight their capability to inflict harm on the united states and to retake villages in syria or -- >> sure. i don't mean to talk over you. i think we have to do both. it is a multi-front effort. we've talked about this before. i think at the same time that you have to remove daesh from the battlefield, from the territory that are it has claimed in iraq and syria. at the same time, you have to be able to stop their ability to recruit, as well as stop their ability to create terrorist networks elsewhere. that's a real challenge. we've talked about that a lot. it is always easy for a couple of individuals with access to weaponry and access to explosives and the intent to kill themselves to carry out these kind of brutal terrorist attacks. but that does not mean it is a challenge we can't eventually address. it just speaks to the complexity. >> on the travel warning. i saw the travel warning that came out on monday night. and i compared the opening sentence on monday night to the one that came out on march 29th. they're identical. the one that came out -- they both say, "the u.s. department of state warns u.s. citizens of increased threats from terrorist groups throughout turkey and to avoid travel to southeastern turkey." and one of the challenges i think we all have in dealing with your travel warnings is that they're generally not annotated so it's not possible to know what's different except by looking at the previous one. so i went and i looked at the previous one and i saw that it basically said the same thing. i realize that there is a slight difference, one province was dropped off, and so on. but how is and american citizen who's thinking about going to turkey supposed to understand that the increased threats that you're reporting on monday are any different from the increased threats from terrorist groups that you reported on march 29th? i mean so couple of simple questions. were there even more threats that had come out prior to june 27th, monday, that made you issue this? or not? >> so i think what -- it is a fair question. couple of points here. first of all is, always check with travel.state.gov. very easy website to remember for travelers to get the most up to date information specific to a given country. but i think in the case of this travel alert that was re-issued, it was certainly updated. but you're right, it is hard to distinguish. i think what i would just say is in this particular case, with a relatively few tweaks, the same threat level persisted. and so i understand your point that why should a traveler take any more heed or notice of that. i think that a traveler to turkey, and frankly, to many parts of the world, has to simply be aware and cognizant of the fact that the threat remains in place and act accordingly. >> what i'm asking is kind of simpler. real simple question. one, did the u.s. government and did the issuance of the june 27th travel alert -- did the u.s. government have any reason to believe that there would be an attack on june 28th or upcoming? >> no. that was the second part of my answer that if we had -- i realize there's a range of "products" that we put out on behalf or for the american traveler. a travel warning is a travel warning. if we had information, credible information, about an imminent threat or a developing situation, even if it wasn't a terrorist attack. but any -- natural disaster looming, what we'd use is an emergency message. and that is reserved for imminent events or threats that may require immediate action on behalf of u.s. citizens that could be violent demonstrations, that could be, as i said, civil disturbances, national disasters. and we did after the attack issue an emergency message immediately once we had -- >> my question is even simpler. >> okay. >> did you have any reern ason expect an imminent threat in turkey on monday. >> no. and my answer is. sorry i haven't been clear on this. we did not have, as i said, imminent or actionable intelligence. >> got it. okay. so then second question -- and again, i think it is a simpler question. >> yeah. >> you state on march 29th that there is increased threat of attacks by terrorist groups in turkey and you state exactly the same thing. there is increased threats of terrorist actions -- of attacks by terrorist groups on june 27t

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