From capitol hill. Rosemary and george, it turned out not to be as late a night as we expected on capitol hill but thats not because there was some sort of grand bargain struck between republicans and democrats. Instead theyve decided to yet again delay this process, extending this vote just a little bit longer, till noon eastern time on monday. This is what Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell said on the floor late sunday night. Should these issues not be resolved by the time the funding bill before us expires on february 8th, 2018, assuming that the government remains open, it would be my intention to proceed to legislation that would address daca, border security, and related issues. If you listen to what the Senate Majority leader is offering, it is a promise to Senate Democrats and some republicans that they will address immigration, in particular protections for those d. R. E. A. M. Ers, those hundreds of thousands of young people brought to this country through no fault of their own, and were once protected by the daca program. But theres been a long sense of a lack of trust between republicans and democrats when it comes to this issue. Senator jeff flake of arizona, one of the key negotiators from the republican side, told me last night after mac cob nels speech that he is hoping the fact that the Senate Majority leader made the promise to take up that daca issue before this next deadline for the continuing resolution will be enough to convince democrats to vote yes. Take a listen. I think there is a lack of trust. And thats why i wanted to stand up afterwards and reiterate and to confirm what the leader has committed to. I do think, given the highprofile nature of this whole debate, that it will be impossible for us not to move on to immigration. And the democrats still have the spending caps as leverage. Beyond this time. So i do think well get there. Beyond the back and forth, though, between republicans and democrats on capitol hill, there is a stark reality for the hundreds of thousands of federal Government Employees across the country who now will not have to come into work on monday morning and that means they wont receive a paycheck on monday as a result. They are continuing to remain on edge as republicans and democrats here in washington iron out their differences. They are hoping to cast a vote on this issue noon eastern time on monday. Lets break this down politically. Weve got our republican digital strategist, austin james, and democratic strategist, caroline heldman, good to have you here. Lets talk about this. Another day passes, another delay that weve seen. But there is a sense now, you get a sense that there is some progress in the air. Also, you can hear it in the tone of the minority leader Chuck Schumer. Lets listen to what he had to say after Mitch Mcconnell. We can talk about it here on the other side. I am happy to continue my discussion with the majority leader about reopening the government. Weve had several conversations. Talks will continue. But we have yet to reach an agreement on a path forward that would be acceptable for both sides. Comparing that to what we heard just hours ago, days ago, the heated incendiary rhetoric, seems that cooler heads are prevailing. Signs of progress, but still there is a big deficit with democrats who dont trust that republicans are serious about this. Carol line, how do both sides bridge the gap of trust . First to you. I think there are fundamental disagreements here. Daca on one hand, which 9 of 10 americans support, and the republicans want to tie it and donald trump wants tie to it building the wall, which only 3 in 10 americans support. So you have a fundamental disagreement. As much as they are posturing that they want to get something done, i think the very fact that we are here shows just how deep this division runs. I do think that we will reach an agreement, hopefully very soon. Although if they dont reach an agreement in the next couple of days, and dig in their heels, because its a real disagreement, this Government Shutdown could go on for quite some time at great expense to talks pairs. Austin, to you. The same question for democrats who question whether republicans are serious about this. What do you have to say to the democrats . Yeah, listen, i think its less of more of a compromise and more of really a breakdown of the democratic unity. I had a friend who was kind of going on tv and doing some talking points about a week ago. At that time, the polling really was quite negative toward republicans. And i think things have shifted dramatically. I think what youre looking at is youre looking at the polling i think its a cnn poll that came out recently to match numbers to carolines point, says that over 60 or almost 60 of americans support the funding of the bill, funding of the government, at no cost to speaking to illegal immigration. I think onethird said that daca was more important. And so i think democrats are kind of reading the tea leafs and theres a group worrying about reelection in States Donald trump won, and i think youre starting to see crack under what the ultimate motive of the democrats is and the changing of the tide of the American People. Senator flake when asked whether the senate could come to any agreement by february 8th, lets listen. I dont know. I hope we can but im doubting it because that relies on the white house. To actually work with us on this. We havent seen that yet. They havent seen that yet. The white house working with them on coming to an agreement. Thats damning, isnt it, coming from a republican senator. I want to go to you first, austin james. How do you explain that . Listen, i think one of the more troubling narratives were seeing play out here is that you have the white house and then you have kind of the republican party. And i think some of that is starting to break. I mean, stephen miller, to his point about illegal immigration, just not being a motivating factor, you know, weve got people fighting for our freedom overseas and theyre taking a back seat to less than 1 million Illegal Immigrants, that is a narrative that ushered donald trump in and still works even though i think Steven Miller himself has got the energy of wednesday adams. He himself as a messenger may have to go but i think that message still works. Regardless of those talking points coming out of congress i think you see a more unified message across all republicans, including trump and the white house, and ultimately that is prevailing against the nonunified voice of democrats. Caroline, im sure youd want to reply to austin and the poll numbers he was using. Because not everyone is in agreement that the blame, the finger of blame, is being pointed at the democrats for this shutdown. Well, according to that exact same poll that austin cited, 50 of americans, or 48 , blame the gop and donald trump for the shutdown, 1 in 3 americans blame the democrats. So americans are actually really squarely placing the blame at the feet of republicans and thats because if you look de caused this, go back to january 11th. Donald trump, the negotiations about daca broke down when he flipped his position and he referred to countries as sholes. That is what started this Government Shutdown. Donald trump talked about how we needed a Government Shutdown in september as though its something flippant, not something thats going to cause 850,000 people to be furloughed. You see mulvaney actually talking about the Government Shutdown being cool. I would very much disagree with austin that this message works or stephen millers position works. 9 of 10 americans want daca to be fixed. The republicans defunded c. H. I. P. Not at the loss not at the extension of nonfunding. I think thats the bigger issue. How we got here is a nonissue, its where we go from here its absolutely the issue. The only person who can get us out of this is donald trump having a clear head, not listening to extremists or people like miller youre giving him too much credit. Youre giving the president of the United States too much credit . No, hes the person who caused the breakdown hes the one that has said, i will extend past march, i am trying to work towards a solution. Ultimately what im saying is that the American People literally see this narrative as, why are we holding up funding, why are we having dont put it that way, thats a republican talking point. I want totalk aboutthis because youre both getting to this issue again this trust gap. We talked about it a moment ago. Democrats not trusting republicans. Some republicans unsure of where the republican president stands. We have seen the u. S. President change his mind from time to time. The question to you, austin. Does that cause a problem here, as again were seeing a sense of progress here. Are republicans certain that they know that this u. S. President is firmly in their court . Yeah, no, listen, i think thats a fair point. But ultimately kind of back to my previous point, i think what were going to see is republicans kind of offering theyre going to kind of offer that olive branch that is the, we will talk about it soon, bring it to the floor at x date. Like i said, i think youre going to see democrats who are in kind of a precarious position in some of these red states start to fall. Ultimately allow the question was about the u. S. President , to be specific. Do you get a sense that he is sure, is he can republicans count on his vote, his approval, with where they are now . Listen, i cant speak for the president , i will say this i think he is kind of looking at the tide and sees the upper hand. I noticed if you i think we all know, his tweet today, he referenced pulling out the Nuclear Option which probably is not the right solution here. But again, i cant speak for the president , but i think he wants a solution, i think republicans want a solution. Ultimately theyre not willing to put something in stone because this isnt a funding issue. Daca isnt a funding issue. I think having discussion about things like some of the domestic funding that democrats ultimately want is probably more what Mitch Mcconnell is looking to do. Caroline, this is the problem, though, isnt it. Because we saw in that tuesday meeting the bipartisan meeting, that donald trump had said, im going to sign whatever you in front of me, hammer this out and ill bought my name to it. He went back to the white house and his advisers got to him and he changed his mind. This is at the root of the problem. How do you and the democrats deal with that . And also to you, austin, thats a problem for the republicans. Because the American Voters see this and the world is seeing this. The flipflopping. He absolutely flipflopped on his daca position. Again. Which is why we are here. The democrats are looking at at what the republicans have done, the republicans have withdrawn fund for c. H. I. P. , theyve withdrawn protection forth daca folks. And we are now demanding that these be fixed. These are things that republicans broke. And we are not going to be compromising until these americans are protected. Until 9 million children and 800,000 people who were brought here as children get protections. And its absolutely a trust issue when you have a president calling immigrants, referring to them from shole countries and causing a breakdown. There is no trust because he has flip from thatted back and forth and ultimately he needs to stop listening to extremists like stephen mill history taunted immigrants when he was in high school and has a long record of something i would call racial resentment. He needs to stop listening to these folks and do what the right for everybody, including the military, the c. H. I. P. Kids who need medical care, the 800,000 dream d. R. E. A. M. Ers or daca recipients. She brings up a good point, so c. H. I. P. , the health care of our children domestically, those who are fighting for our freedom on foreign soil, i think those are issues the machine people care about. And ultimately shes right that daca is over the numbers tell us that the American People do care about this. But again, like i said, this is a linear process. And so i think democrats will ultimately lose in 2018 in 2020 if they continue to take these kind of rogue issues and put them in front of the American People. Austin james, thank you so much for your time. Caroline heldman, thank you for being with us. Well stay in touch with you both as we try to sort all this out and see where it goes, thank you. Well take a short break. Still to come, members of the u. S. Military still have to report for duty, but if the government shut down continues they may not get paid. Next, some of the reallife consequences of this shut down. If yor crohns symptoms are holding you back, and your Current Treatment hasnt worked well enough, it may be time for a change. Ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohns. 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But if the shutdown continues to the next pay period, those troops, including those in combat, will not be paid. Death benefits to be paid potentially to Fallen Service members families could potentially be achbled as well by a shutdown. About 50 to 75 of the department of defenses civilian workforce will be furloughed, that can affect contracting, can affect other maintenance programs, something a very big concern to the secretary of defense, james mattis. Reserve training will be canceled as well. All these things having an effect not necessarily on active military operations but a lot of the support services, which is why secretary of defense mattis said a shutdown would have a terrible impact on the United States military and the department of defense, but u. S. Troops around the world would continue performing their jobs. Thanks so much. Joining us from los angeles, cnn political commentators, democrat strategist dave jacobson, and republican consultant john thomas. Thanks to both of you for joining us. Now on sunday, we all watched republicans and democrats pointing the finger of blame at each other for this Government Shutdown, instead of actually finding a solution toward essentially a very highlevel of dysfunction. So whos to blame for this shutdown . What do the polls tell us . Well, rosemary, politico and Morning Consult put out a poll just hours ago in which they asked the American People who do they blame for the Government Shutdown . 41 of respondents said it was republicans. And only 36 of respondents said democrats. Why do americans believe republicans are to blame . For the first time in modern history, you have oneparty rule with a Government Shutdown. Donald trump, the republican, in the white house. Republicans control the United States senate and the house of representatives. This is unprecedented. And i think it underscores a true failure of leadership from the top down when it comes to republicans. And the American People know it. John thomas, do you agree . I suspect not. No, of course not. But daves not wrong about the polling. I think first of all, its almost margin of error stuff. But the reason you see American Public today believing that in fact republicans are slightly more responsible is because most americans dont understand that you have to get 60 votes to pass this budget bill. And the fact is there is no path to 60 without democrat support. So in fact it is the democrats that are truly to blame. I think Public Opinion will begin to reflect that when they start to understand that 60 vote count. Heres the most amazing thing to me, rosemary, is that the reason this is a bill that no one objects to the things in the bill, yet democrats are voting to shut down the government over daca, a policy that doesnt expire for weeks and that both trump and the republicans have said they want to fix and figure out. John, to your point, t