speech that may follow him forever. refusing to endorse donald trump at the republican national convention. >> stand and speak and vote your conscience. vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the constitution. >> reporter: cruz mentioning trump's name just once during his primetime address. the crowd angrily interrupting the speech. then trump suddenly appears in the stands, upstaging the gop runner-up yet again. trump later tweeting, wow, ted cruz got booed off the stage. didn't honor the pledge. i saw his speech two hours early, but let him speak anyway. no big deal. >> donald trump offered him to speak without any conditions. he thought senator c's might have been a little more politically smart. >> i think it was awful and quite frankly i think it was selfish. he signed a pledge. it's his job to keep his word. >> reporter: cruz later not backing down. >> i laid out a very simple standard. we need a president who will be faithful to the constitution. i hope very much that is who the next president will be. >> reporter: former house speaker newt gingrich trying to reframe cruz's comments as party unity. >> i think you misunderstood one paragraph that ted cruz, who is a superb orator, said. you can vote for anyone who will uphold the constitution. in this election, there's only one candidate who will uphold the constitution. the only possible candidate this fall is the trump/pence republican ticket. >> reporter: but angry delegates in the arena couldn't be subdued. video posted on twitter shows security escorting cruz's wife heidi out of the arena kbhiel being heckled by trump supporters. but two of trump's former rivals showing they can put the bitter campaign season behind them. >> the time for fighting each other is over. it's time to come together. >> a vote for anyone other than donald trump in november is a vote for hillary clinton. >> reporter: trump also getting more support from one of his kids. >> it is such an honor to be here for a man i love so, so, so, so much. >> reporter: the republican nominee listening in the audience as his son eric praised him. >> my father has revitalized rundown neighborhoods, shaped skylines across the country, and turned dreams into reality his entire career. it's what he does. it's who he is. >> reporter: and after days of denying melania trump's speech was plagiarized -- >> i can't move on because you keep lying about it. a portion of the language of that speech come from michelle obama's speech, yes or no? >> as far as we're concerned, there are similar words that were used. >> reporter: on wednesday, a trump aide offered to resign over the fire storm, admitting it was a mistake to lift passages of melania's speech from michelle obama's 2008 address. >> i thought it was terrific the way she came forward and said, look, it was a mistake that i made, and she said it was very unfair to melania. >> reporter: now, the blowback over ted cruz's speech was swift and fierce. immediately afterward, ted cruz tried to visit the billionaire donor sheldon addelson in his suite above the convention proceeding, but sheldon did not want to see ted cruz, actually rescinding his invitation for them to sit together. in addition, a number of critics and supporters alike are warning that cruz could face a backlash if he runs again for president. clearly the fallout still beginning. chris and alisyn? >> sure sounds like it, manu. thank you very much for that. let's discuss it with our stellar potential. we have cnn political commentator errol louis, cnn political reporter meave resten, and david gregory. great to have you here. meave, the fallout for ted cruz was probably worse than he was expecting. heidi cruz had to be escorted out of the arena by security because people were sort of charging at her and yelling insults. >> yelling goldman sachs, which became a big attack against her in her career. >> this is them trying to get out. i don't know if you can capture the aggression on the part of the crowd, but it was there. >> yeah, and clearly ted cruz was not playing to the room here. there were a lot of people in the room who were his delegates. you know, obviously donald trump's whips were whipping up the boos, as that whole progression went on. i think this is just such a fascinating, bold move. we really don't know how it's going to play out in the end for ted cruz because he's gambling on donald trump going down in flames in november. you know, people will remember this moment. we all know that ted cruz is going to run in 2020. he'll be able to stand there and say, you know, i stood up and took a principled stand and did what my supporters wanted me to do. >> so what do you see as any potential upside for him, and what do you think the obvious upside might be for trump? because we saw what happened on that floor last night. >> look, i've never seen anything like this. this was stunning. these conventions are all highly scripted affairs. there was the nominee emerging into the convention hall, trying to steal cruz's thunder because the speech is going south. his chief rival not endorsing him, snubbing him in primetime on television amid the boos. and there is trump coming in. this is a picture of disunity in the republican party. this is not what donald trump wanted. he wanted the party to come together. he didn't get that from ted cruz. now, to trump's credit, he tweeted out later, look, i reviewed the remarks, and, you know, i said go ahead, say them anyway. maybe there's an opportunity for trump to try to work with this somehow and say, yeah, there's a division in the party, but we're going ahead anyway. >> i find it mixed message. ted cruz got booed off the stage, didn't honor the pledge, exclamation point. i saw the speech two hours early, but let him speak anyway. no big deal. do you believe he read the speech first? >> it didn't take long to look at the speech. i think we all got it just as the speech was starting. i went through it in about three minutes. i was looking for the word endorse, and i didn't see it. i alerted my producer, he's not going to endorse. there's something going on here. i believe he knew the gist of it. there was some reporting around it as well. it was clear that he was going to have the stage, but he wasn't going to endorse. now, i and probably a lot of other people thought that somewhere in there he'd slip in a phrase like the reason we all endorse donald trump is -- you know, sort of a slight endorsement or just spontaneously come out and say it because i thought it was pretty clear the crowd was going to react if it didn't happen. that faction fight on monday, that's already ancient history. the texas delegation was a big part of it. those guys with all the stetson hats on, they got up and were calling for a change and a delay in the actual calling of the roll. so we knew that there was some dissension here. why donald trump chose to play it out this way, because there are some real differences, and it's not the end of the world. there's a reason you have the convention. you convene people to try and work out those differences. so it's not crazy to let a speech happen or let something happen with having your opponent, you know, voice the opinion of a certain faction of the party. but to let it get out of control in that way, that's the thing i think that divides them. >> you know, the speech was budgeted to be 12 minutes. he went on for more than 20 minutes. so clearly, you know, not everything that he said was in the text that donald trump and his people would have seen. the other point is that, you know, though cruz very clearly did not promise an endorsement and they had a phone call on monday where he made that clear, there could have been a very much messier situation on monday had his name been put into nomination, if trump had not offered the invitation for him to come to speak. some of trump's advisers have pointed out that cruz would have had a right to speak anyway at the convention. >> look, cruz's people thought about whether or not to put the name in, see what happens. they decided they didn't want to take a second "l," which was certainly going to come their way. i think this was good for trump. this was the first time on the convention floor we saw this passion harnessed on the floor where it wasn't directed at hillary clinton. this was the first time where they were like, we're really angry about something, and it's hillary clinton. we're really angry about you, ted cruz. this is our guy, donald trump. i think that helps him. >> i disagree a little bit in this way. there is a conservative movement that is conflicted and that is -- has a lot of die-hard opposition to donald trump. you see it. you walk around, as i've walked around in the past few day, running into republican-elected officials who are just hanging their head, really despairing about the future of the party. this is for many republicans a time of choosing. i think ted cruz is going to be a i believe to answer that question. where were you when trump happened? he's going to say, i stuck to my principles and i didn't endorse him. let's not forget trump trashed his wife and his father in the course of the primary. trump was not going to endorse. despite that, you're right about what happened on the floor, the only time this convention hall has really come together, no less than when somebody has called for the imprisonment of hillary clinton. that's what passes as party unity right now. if you're the trump campaign, you look at this and you look forward and say, have we achieved what we came for? really bringing this team together to give us our best foot forward in november. i don't know that they've gotten it. >> the answer, i think, would be no thus far. certainly if last night is any example. what does that mean going forward, meave, for the electorate? >> it's been fascinating watching this convention because usually this is a time, a reset time where you move beyond the republican primary voter and start to speak to that broader audience of voters. that's what's going to be really interesting listening to donald trump tonight. i don't think we've heard that at this convention. there haven't been, you know, a lot of bridges to the women who are unsure about his temperament and people who, you know, were undecided. it's been very, you know, benghazi, heavily focused on the kind of arguments that work with the fox news crowd. so that's a lost opportunity there. >> but i think it could easily branch out. this is muscular resistance, errol. people are angry. they're fed up. that emotion has been discounted to everyone's disadvantage who made that mistake. i don't know what the democrats have to match that energy. >> well, we'll find out in a few days in philadelphia. look, when they get the anger up to the level that it threatens to go off the rails, i sense a repeat of a pattern. that usually works to hillary clinton's advantage, which is to say they're crazy, they're over the top. you know, it's one thing to say you don't like the foreign policy decisions that i've made. it's one thing to say that you don't like the alliances that i've made or how i've done trade deals or anything like that. it's quite another thing to say she belongs in prison. and to say it in an angry, sort of mob chant. >> almost a gladiator kind of way. >> it puts her back in her sweet spot where she can say, hey, you may not like me, and i know i'm not perfect, but look at that craziness. and that's not something we can afford to have in the white house. >> panel, thank you. great to have you here. >> all right. so ted cruz did his thing last night. certainly wound up taking away some of the energy, which was supposed to be the coming out party for the vice presidential nominee. this was an introduction to america. the governor of indiana, mike pence, he's supposed to be the headline, and he is in a way. there wound up being contradictions. we're going to show you what mike pence, especially about foreign policy, and then play this contradiction that came from his running mate, donald trump, at almost the exact same time. cnn's phil mattingly is live inside the convention hall with more on this early conflict between brothers. >> reporter: yeah, chris. look, last night was supposed to be the night for mike pence. an opportunity for the campaign to extend a hand to the conservative governor. instead, pence wasn't just overshadowed by ted cruz, he was overshadowed by his own running mate. donald trump undermining his running mate mike pence on the biggest night of his career. pence detailing his approach to foreign policy to an enthusiastic audience at the republican national convention. >> we cannot have four more years apologizing to our enemies and abandoning our friends. donald trump will rebuild our military and stand with our allies. >> reporter: but that's not what donald trump is saying in a new interview. "the new york times" reporting that trump is questioning whether he would automatically defend nato members. when specifically asked about russia's aggression towards the baltic states, trump says he would only come to their aid if they, quote, have fulfilled their obligations to us. this contradiction the second major policy discrepancy on display this week between the republican nominee and his newly minted running mate. >> that was a war that we shouldn't have been in because iraq did -- >> your running mate voted for it. >> i don't care. >> reporter: despite these differences, the indiana governor and former congressman making the case for a trump presidency last night. >> donald trump gets it. he's the genuine article. he's a doer in a game usually reserved for talkers. >> reporter: declaring that the gop ticket is an agent of change. >> hillary clinton wants a better title, and i would too if i was already america's secretary of the status quo. >> reporter: a star turn for midwestern mike, a staunch social conservative tea party supporter and devout evangelical who actually endorsed ted cruz before indiana's primary. pence catapulting on to the national stage last year after signing a religious freedom law, criticized for discriminating against gays and lesbians. >> this isn't about disputes between individuals. it's about government overreach, and i'm proud that indiana stepped forward. >> reporter: trump applauding pence's speech on twitter. the gop ticket still getting to know each other. trump awkwardly air kissing his running mate after his big speech. their unity not quite the photo op moment of past republican tickets. should be noted inside the arena, the speech was very well received. there was an upbeat argument, the kind trump advisers say you're going to hear repeatedly from mike pence on the campaign trail going forward. again, trying to fill out that ticket. donald trump on one side, a buttoned-up conservative on the other. there's no question about it, the headline for the trump campaign, the one they wanted, was the introduction of mike pence, this running mate. that's not the one they got. and it's not just because of ted cruz, but donald trump himself. alisyn? >> we will be talking about that all morning. phil, thank you for the reporting. well, donald trump talking foreign policy, but trump's plan contradicts his vice president's position. up next, the trump interview that's making waves. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn because you can't beat zero heartburn! ahhh the sweet taste of victory! prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. that's all i crave.e that's where this comes in. only nicorette gum has patented dual-coated technology for great taste. plus nicorette gum gives you intense craving relief. and that helps put my craving in its place. that's why i only choose nicorette. it was a big night, not just for politics, but also policy. donald trump making news before stepping on the stage tonight. this is going to be his big moment politically in terms of the speech. but he gave this "new york times" interview, and in it he gave qualified conditions for supporting nato allies, and he also gave a message that's very different than the one laid out by his vp in the speech last night. let's discuss. alice stewart, cnn political commentator and former communications director for ted cruz. welcome to the team. we have cnn political commentator corey lewandowski, the former trump campaign manager, who is still receiving severance from the trump campaign, yet never buys me lunch. and the chair of the new hampshire delegation at the republican convention. also christine quinn, hillary clinton supporter, vice chair of the new york democratic party. great to have all of you here. >> thank you. >> let's talk policy, friends. corey, let me come to the man in the middle. trump gives this interview. let's put up this excerpt from "the new york times." here's what's got the eyebrows up. it is about if russia attacks, right. that's always been about the formation of what nato is meant to do. he says, if russia were to attack them, meaning the nato allies, he would decide whether to come to their aid only after reviewing whether those nations have lived up to their commitments to us, to the united states, their obligations. he added, if they do, then the answer is yes. does he understand that nato is europe? and that you're sending a message that is, i don't know, europe, if it goes south, maybe we're there, maybe we're not. what is he doing? >> once again, what mr. trump is doing is questioning the conventional wisdom of the way our country has operated over the last 30 years. it's something that no one else has been willing to do. he said this time and time again. let's review every single policy that we have had in place for a long time, and if he's elected president of the united states and serves as the commander in chief of our services, before we make a decision and we commit our troops and we commit our resources, we're going to make that first and foremost the interest of the american people are put forth. this is a very different mind set. what has happened for the last 30 years in washington is we've lived and abided by these treaties that were written many years ago that don't benefit the united states anymore and have blanketly said we're going to go and support nato or go and do this or go and do that. those days are gone. wholesale and fundamental change will come to washington, d.c., when donald trump is elected president. >> just last week in the "60 minutes" interview, donald trump said, we're going to have great ally. here he takes nato and throws it under the bus. what is very clear in donald trump's statement, in my opinion, are two things. one, it's all about a deal. if you scratch my back, i'll scratch your back. if nato's been good to me, i'll be good to them. >> he's a negotiator. that's what people think is his strength. >> but nato -- the united states' relationship with nato is fundamental to keeping peace in the world. he may or may not be able to negotiate good business deals, but that's not the same thing as trying to keep the world as peaceful as it can be. he sent a message not long after he stood on that golf course and said this brexit vote was good for him because more people would come to his golf course and he would make money. following that, he sent a message to europe, we don't have your back anymore. what happens then if god forbid he is president and calls some of the nato countries and asks for help and they say, well, let's see how good you've been to us. it shows a fundamental lack of appreciation of the role of the united states as the leader of the world and a fundamental misunderstanding about international affairs and it is dangerous to have somebody running for president who has so little knowledge and who will flip and flop and contradict himself. >> where do you fall, alice? >> i agree in terms of our relationship with nato is critical. to corey's point, we're in different times than when nato was formed and these alliances were built. this is important to address these relationships. do we need to make changes and to not assess the situation, see if changes need to be made. i think that would be a huge mistake. in terms of brexit, he correctly called the concerns of the people in britain in terms of many of the problems. certainly economics but also in terms of immigration. he called them. obama and clinton misread that situation and didn't understand it. at the end of the day, i would certainly take donald trump's views on radical islamic terrorism over hillary clinton and barack obama sticking their head in the sand and refusing to call it what it is. >> but the question is, who's going to fight with you? the danger is apparently obvious here. there's a reason mike pence, corey, said we're going to be good to our allies. we're not doing that right now. if the support is qualified now, what do you think happens when you say to the only real friend you have? again, nato is 28 countries. it's all of europe. . so with what's going on right now in the ukraine, we're seeing it. this isn't theoretical. putin, who your guy trump has called strong, and talked about favorably, went into ukraine, occupies half the country right now. it's happening right now. nato is the wall against it. that's all there is. >> what he's saying, it's fundamental. put americans first. this is a very simple message. the question is, is it right for the united states to go and fight somewhere else when we don't have our own interests in mind and we can no longer be the policemen of the world if no one is going to pay for that tab. we've gotten ourselves into wars. we've spent trillions of dollars, thousands of americans lives have been lost. and for what? nothing. donald trump was against the iraq war. hillary voted for it. >> as did mike pence. >> when brexit happened, calamity. three weeks with later, and the stock market is at its highest point in the history. we're three weeks later from where we were. if you remember the chaos when brexit voted, oh, the economy, it's all over. >> it's not about war. >> his point was right then, and his point is right now. america first, u.s. first. if we're going to engage our military and engage our people to go and support somebody else, we better have our own interests in mind first. i believe donald trump does that. >> hold on a second. we have to tee up the big issue from yesterday, and i want you to do it, about where we are with the plagiarism and melania. >> you are wearing the right color today, my friend. so we all know what happened here. started a couple days ago. melania trump gave a good speech. she did a good job. she was impressive. some of the language in the speech came from michelle obama's speech. there's just no question about that. there never was a question about it. it's not similar. it's not common language. it is her language. it happened. it's not a big deal. the campaign made it a big deal, okay. the first day they came out and said, didn't happen. we know what that is. that's called lying. happens in politics all the time. then they doubled down on it. here was the exchange with paul manafort, trump's campaign chairman. >> you make it impossible to move on when you won't acknowledge what we know to be true. that's all. i don't know why you're blaming us for that. >> you spent seven minutes talking about something that's not relevant to anyone but you and the media. >> the truth is irrelevant to anybody but us? >> you keep talking about it. i'm telling you the truth. i'm not a liar, contrary to what you just said. >> no, no, no. i'm not calling you a liar. i'm talking about this one specific thing. >> you did call me a liar. >> i'm not making a character assessment. that's not my place. let's leave that issue where it is. both of us have been very clear about it. >> that's a good idea. >> now, that's paul manafort. i've known paul a long time. he's a very effective guy. this certainly was not about character assassination on him. corey, i don't know what else to call it. i know that saying liar, lying is a loaded word in politics. but it shouldn't be. if you have intent to deceive, okay, about something, that's lying. that statement came out, okay, from the writer of this, who said melania trump gave melange from michelle obama's speech. i integrated the language. i didn't check the speech. whatever. i made a mistake. okay. that means it happened. there is zero chance that maybe you even knew it happened. manafort knew, the team knew. they decided to deny it. that's lying. it happens. is there any other version of reality on this? >> here's what i think happened. meredith put out a statement yesterday. >> she's the woman who helped melania write the speech. >> she's been a friend of the trump family and a good, responsible employee for a long time. what she said happened, and i believe her because she has no reason to be disingenuous about it. she was working with mrs. trump to put some ideas together. they talked, she wrote some ideas down on paper, and incorporated it into her speech. whether paul knew about that or not is irrelevant. meredith said it's her responsibility. and that's what good people do. she took the blame. she said it was her responsibility. my guess is, look, running a convention is a very, very difficult job. >> i don't think it matters who did it. people make mistakes. that was never what this was about. it was never about melania, which i think is a cheap trick. this wasn't nice to melania. this wasn't fair to melania. i can't say it more times. both of us. she did a good job. good for her. this was about how the campaign dealt with it. paul manafort came on this show and said hillary clinton was running this story because she wanted destroy the character of a strong woman. that can't be true. we understand that now because a statement came out. >> you know what it speaks to. we've seen over and over by the trump campaign that they don't take responsibility. that makes you question what donald trump will be like as president. will he take responsibility? i've heard the press in office say, this isn't true. >> you support somebody who had the exact same problem and many voters would suggest on a much higher order. >> she offered her resignation. she's an honorable person. >> last word, alice. >> that should have happened an hour after the speech, not three days later. >> it's about the writer, mainoe lane ya. >> panel, thank you very much. mike pence makes his national debut at the convention last night. what do those who know him best think about how he did? we talk to his good friend from congress next. don't you dare follow your dreams. think big. or demand your own space. don't you dare leave it all behind. don't you dare ask what's next. introducing the first-ever cadillac xt5. ♪ the fastest food truck min brooklyn. meet mylanta® tonight. it's also fast, but unlike godawgs, it makes heartburn after dinner, history. new mylanta® tonight. faster than heartburn. now you can watch nbc's coverage of the rio olympic games live at home or on the go. can show you coverage options to fit your budget. oh -- ohhh! she slimed me. [ laughs ] >> you have nominated a man for president who never quits, who never backs down, a fighter, a winner. until now he's had to do it all by himself against all odds, but this week with this united party, he's got backup. on november 8th, i know we will elect donald trump to be the 45th president of the united states of america. >> they were happy in the convention hall last night listening to donald trump's running mate, indiana governor mike pence. he was making the case obviously for trump in his first major address. to many in the american public, the voters, even do national republicans, this was his introduction. one of pence's closest friends joins us right now, a republican, of course, a congressman, of course, from texas. he also endorsed donald trump. congressman, thank you for being here. congratulations, as a republican, and as a mike pence friend. where was his head last night going into the speech? >> oh, it was in a wonderful place. mike, i think, has a voice as close to ronald reagan's voice as any, so he knew what he had to do. he had to tell his own story. he told it with self-deprecating humor. never underestimate the quality of just being likable in politics. it was his introduction. he was cool. he was calm. he was collected. he showed that he could come out, tell his story, stand on principle, be likable, and go toe to toe with hillary. i think he hit it out of the ballpark. >> so you're a friend and a colleague. when the governor came to you and said they want me to be the vp, what was your advice? >> i'm not sure i want to reveal everything i said in private. you can't turn something like that down. >> sure you can. people did. he had members of the party who expressed not having an interest. governor kasich, most notably. >> mike feels a call to duty. i'm not sure he quote/unquote wanted it. he's doing well in indiana. he has an incredible record there. he felt it was a call to duty. he knows america is in precare you -- precarious shape. he knows we can't take four more years of the status quo. we have enemies who no longer fear us. we have an economy that's not working for working people. mike feels a call to duty. that's what his life is about, public service. i never doubted for a moment that he would turn it down. i don't know this is good for mike pence's career, but i think it is great for the republican party. i think it's great for the united states of america that he accepted this. >> how do you think governor pence will deal with being the running mate of trump when they do not line up on a lot of issues and they do not argue their case the same way by any definition? >> well, one, i think it speaks well of donald trump in picking mike pence. he obviously didn't pick a clone of himself. this is a little bit of the political odd couple. there's a little of that going on here. number one, mike is his own guy. he knows who's going to be president, but at the same time, mike has his way of stating things. again, i think it's a voice that's very much resonating of president reagan. he speaks from the heart. he comes from the heartland. he has those values. i think a lot of people are going to identify. but i think people also saw a guy who can go toe to toe with h hillary clinton, make the case against her, make the case for donald trump. i think it was very impressive. so they don't have to be alike. i don't know if hillary clinton's about to pick a clone of herself to where we get two, you know, extremist liberals for the price of one. i guess we'll know by saturday. >> yeah, that comes next. let's stick with where we are. do we have the moment of trump trying to plant one on pence there when he came out to introduce him? if we can put it up. that was funny. so he's coming out to give the speech. trump is introducing him. trump goes to plant one on him, give him a kiss. your man mike pence gives him the strong arm. look at that. giving him the iron shoulder. you're not kissing me, donald trump. midwest mike doesn't like a peck on the cheek. is that fair to say? what happened there. >> well, there's an embrace. they're not doing it that way in indiana. maybe they do it that way in new york. there's a little difference in the style. >> they're going to have to figure that out. congressman, congratulations to your friend. thank you for helping us know him a little better. appreciate it. >> welcome. >> all right. so one of donald trump's advisers is now in a little bit of hot water because of what he said about hillary clinton. it got the attention of the secret service. we're going to tell you why and what will happen next. the year! ♪ i'm free to do what i want... and 0% financing is back! on a huge selection of ford cars, trucks and suvs. plus get an extra $1000 smart bonus on specially tagged vehicles. that's freedom from interest... and freedom to choose with ford. america's best selling brand. ♪ i'm free, baby! now get 0% financing plus a $1000 smart bonus cash on specially tagged vehicles. only at the ford freedom sales event. ♪ feel free... you know what they used to do with guys like that when they were in a place like this? 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>> that's right. they're basically mellow. they're not much higher, not much lower. you would think with the trump show, you would have had a trump ratings bump. we haven't really seen that. there's these timing issues, production problems, and there hasn't been a sense of must-see tv, except on cable. >> this guy blew the debate ratings out of the water. you go back to the first debate -- >> 25 million viewers. >> should have had 3 million in an election year. here you have the convention, and we're not seeing those ratings. >> what's the difference? the difference is in the debates, it's all about trump. he was on the whole time. that's why you were watching. here you're only getting a little taste, until tonight. >> and tonight should be different. in some ways you're getting a taste of trump, and there isn't that much star power in the arena outside of trump. certainly mike pence's speech was a big deal. laura ingram is a big deal among the right. so more of these people are just like a dog's breakfast, d-list talent. >> i'm surprised he chose not to speak more. if he had spoken more, given long speeches, we probably would have ridiculed him and said he was trying to make it all about himself. >> aren't they trying to build up tonight? >> i suppose they are. we heard a lot of bluster from campaign aides and from trump himself about how much this would be an unconventional convention. maybe it turned out not to be a little bit. i think that shows the limits of one person's ability. this convention -- >> so what's he going to do tonight that will really surprise us? i was favorably impressed by his entrance. do you remember this? play the video. >> oh, on monday. >> i love a smoke machine. i thought bringing in freddie mercury, with great irony aside, that's playing at the rnc. queen, "we are the champions." silhouette first, turn to the side, the signature profile, the hands and the prayer. then he enters. full-on world wrestling federation. >> this is the sort of energy we need to see from him tonight. if you think about everything else we've been talking about, we've been talking about plaj rich, we've been talking about ted cruz not endorsing him, we've been talking about technical glitches that were inside the hall. >> let's talk about that. what technical glitches? >> you're watching these speakers, and all of these screens, which make conventions these sort of huge events that they are, they fill the room with energy, start flashing and going out all over the place. at one point, they just have to go black. i talked to a lot of people watching on tv. clearly that didn't translate. in the arena, people were distracted. >> they had some trouble with the acts too. >> the wrong biographies for people. >> how does that reflect? trump has said, i do things better than anyone else. then you have this convention with technical glitches. i'm a great negotiator. he can't get ted cruz to endorse him. not only does this convention not reflect well on the party, i don't think it reflects well on donald trump. >> i don't mean to totally rain on the parade, but to keep in mind, the convention is like a bureaucracy. it's like a preview of what running a government is like. it's a giant aircraft carrier that's hard to turn on a dime. so trump may have wanted to come in and make a lot of changes in these plans, but that wasn't possible. this has been planned for years. >> brian, dylan, thank you. we'll be watching tonight, of course. so what will people remember from this convention, and will ted cruz's actions overshadow trump's big address tonight? 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[ booing ] >> if you want to protect the constitution of the united states, the only possible candidate this fall is the trump/pence ticket. >> democrats have not led us to a crossroads. they have led us to a cliff. >> hillary, enough is enough. america deserves better. >> never have i been more proud to be a trump. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your new day. we are live in cleveland as we have been all week at the republican national convention. things continue to get curiouser and curiouser and more exciting and more exciting. republicans unleashing their anger on ted cruz this morning after trump's runner-up refused to endorse trump during his primetime speech last night. instead, cruz urged americans to, quote, vote their conscience. >> the theatrics overshadowing speeches by trump's vice presidential nominee and trump's son eric. party unity, right, that's what this is supposed to be all about. it now comes down to today. what will trump say? how will he say it? and what impact will it make? those are the questions. let's get toward the answers. we got every angle covered. let's begin with cnn's senior political reporter manu raju inside the convention hall. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, chris. this convention hall was the scene of a rather tense and dramatic moment as republican delegates were waiting for that endorsement from ted cruz to donald trump. when that endorsement didn't come, they got angry. >> i want to congratulate donald trump on winning the nomination. >> reporter: it was all downhill from there. ted cruz delivering a 25-minute speech that may follow him forever. refusing to endorse donald trump at the republican national convention. >> stand and speak and vote your conscience. vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the constitution. >> reporter: cruz mentioning trump's name just once during his primetime address. the crowd angrily interrupting the speech. then trump suddenly appears in the stands, upstaging the gop runner-up yet again. trump later tweeting, wow, ted cruz got booed off the stage. didn't honor the pledge. i saw his speech two hours early, but let him speak anyway. no big deal. >> donald trump offered him to speak without any conditions. he thought senator c's might have been a little more politically smart. >> i think it was awful and quite frankly i think it was selfish. he signed a pledge. it's his job to keep his word. >> reporter: cruz later not backing down. >> i laid out a very simple standard. we need a president who will be faithful to the constitution. i hope very much that is who the next president will be. >> reporter: former house speaker newt gingrich trying to reframe cruz's comments as party unity. >> i think you misunderstood one paragraph that ted cruz, who is a superb orator, said. you can vote for anyone who will uphold the constitution. in this election, there's only one candidate who will uphold the constitution. the only possible candidate this fall is the trump/pence republican ticket. >> reporter: but angry delegates in the arena couldn't be subdued. video posted on twitter shows security escorting cruz's wife heidi out of the arena while being heckled by trump supporters. but two of trump's former rivals showing they can put the bitter campaign season behind them. >> the time for fighting each other is over. it's time to come together. >> a vote for anyone other than donald trump in november is a vote for hillary clinton. >> reporter: trump also getting more support from one of his kids. >> it is such an honor to be here for a man i love so, so, so, so much. >> reporter: the republican nominee listening in the audience as his son eric praised him. >> my father has revitalized rundown neighborhoods, shaped skylines across the country, and turned dreams into reality his entire career. it's what he does. it's who he is. >> reporter: and after days of denying melania trump's speech was plagiarized -- >> i can't move on because you keep lying about it. a portion of the language of that speech come from michelle obama's speech, yes or no? >> as far as we're concerned, there are similar words that were used. >> reporter: on wednesday, a trump aide offered to resign over the fire storm, admitting it was a mistake to lift passages of melania's speech from michelle obama's 2008 address. >> i thought it was terrific the way she came forward and said, look, it was a mistake that i made, and she said it was very unfair to melania. >> reporter: now, the backlash over cruz's speech started immediately. afterward, ted cruz tried to meet with sheldon addelson, the billionaire republican donor, and he would not meet with him, actually rescinding an invitation to sit down with ted cruz. also, republican supporters of ted cruz are saying maybe this could hurt him if he decides to run again for president in 2020. chris and alisyn? >> what a whacky night. ted cruz invited to the convention, doesn't endorse, gets booed off the stage. mike pence then takes to the stage to say why trump is the right guy. that is the state of play. let's discuss where we go from here. senior editor of "the atlantic," mr. david fromm. also, mary katherine thham. we also have mr. john phillips. the characterization is right. we have this -- cruz comes out there, gets a big primetime chunk. same kind of slot that chris christie got. no endorsement. says trump's name once. the impact? >> well, i'm an angels fan. i grew up in california. i learned very early on that life is much easier if you're not a sore loser. what you saw last night was a sore loser. when this campaign started, he was the guy that was embracing donald trump. he thought donald trump would play out. he wanted donald trump supporters in the cruz camp. things didn't work out that way. i think he just can't accept the fact that donald trump would beat him in the primary. >> so let's talk about the fallout for ted cruz, or maybe it elevates him. there's a possibility that he stood on his principles and people will remember that four years from now. "the boston herald" has a cover this morning that says "boos cruz." clever. so what do you think for him? >> i think there are certainly people who look at this and go, just jump on board, man, but you're seeing this incredible discomfort across a spectrum here with paul ryan sort of in the middle figuring out this awkward marriage with trump. pence jumping on board. cruz just saying, nope. i believe all three of those men have conservative values. trump, i don't think, does. so they're figuring out how to deal with this. i think cruz may pay a price with some of the people in that room. of course the trump supporters. there are conservatives out there who go, yeah, this man is not acceptable to us, and he doesn't believe the things we believe. he said to those people, i'm willing to wait for it. look at me later. >> you think there's any case to be made, david, that cruz did trump a favor by uniting the convention in passion of, hey, this is wrong, what you're doing. that means trump is our guy. it's the only time we've ever seen them do that at the convention. >> no, he didn't unite the convention, and it would be a disgrace and a scandal if this convention were united. the only way to unite it is unite it behind a man who just that same night repudiated nato, defended erdogan's counter-coup in turkey, broke faith with the american structure. it scalds me. it burns me that the democratic nominee was able truthfully to issue a statement immediately after yesterday's performance to say hillary clinton will protect our allies. how shameful for the party of ronald reagan and dwight eisenhower that can so accurately be hurled at us. >> of course, you're referring to "the new york times" interview that donald trump sat down for yesterday. once again, eclipsing some of his own convention. there were so many headlines out of this, david, as you say, because he said, i don't know if we're going to be able to support the allies at nato. depends if they pay their dues. depends how they feel about us. >> he's counterprogramming his own convention and counterprogramming it with dirt. >> this is a big selling point for him, which is america is involved in all these treaties and things that may not put it first. that was the theme last night, putting america first. doesn't that play into it? he didn't say, i won't stick with nato. it was, it's got to work for us. >> he just created ambiguity. viewers will remember that dean atchinson created ambiguity about whether the united states would defend south korea. that triggered the aggressive north koreans to think maybe we can get away with this. it is an invitation to war, to open any uncertainty about the validity of america's treaties. if the next president, let's hope it's not donald trump, but if any president ever has some questions about whether nato has outlived its usefulness, you do that from -- first you renegotiate nato. then you express the doubt. but when you express the doubt at a time when russia is on the rampage, that is so dangerous. and it is right for ted cruz -- he didn't know that at the time he spoke, but he knew enough else to say, you know, this man cannot be supported. >> he's not a man who has thought through the foreign policy issues and come to these conclusions, which i would have more respect for. obama had a bit of this. i'm going to be the man i am. i'm going to change the world. that's not how it works. donald trump thinks he looks strong in his suit and that will change the world. people don't just listen to that. you actually have to have something to back it up, and you have to sort through the issues. >> if ted cruz doesn't like donald trump and is not going to endorse him as the nominee of the republican party, then he should have done what john kasich did, which is just skip the convention. you don't go to someone's party and do what he did last night. >> he shouldn't have been invited. >> it's ted cruz's party just as much. he was the runner-up. he had a slot. if donald trump doesn't have the elementary political sense and decency to ask for the endorseme endorsement -- i predict ten years from now, every delegate in that hall will say they were one of the people cheering ted cruz, and not one of them will say they were the people who booed him. because he's right. those are the most nobly earned boos at a convention since 1964. >> using that as an analogy, do you agree with david this is a, where were you moment, for republicans? >> to me that's what it feels like. i think there's a generational gap of sorts where many young conservatives say, this is not working for me. i think there's a management issue here. this is part of donald trump's pitch. i managed things great. well, he invited this guy who wasn't going to endorse him. he gave him a primesometime slot. >> do you think donald trump knew that ted cruz was going to go off the reservation? >> he tweeted that he did. he said, i read the speech two hours earlier, not a big problem. but do you think he really knew that? >> i think he's not engaged with this stuff. i think he's not thinking any of this through. he's like, well, let's have a show and ted will be there. >> huge difference between donald trump having the speech and donald trump reading the speech. those are not the same thing. >> you think that's the explanation for the melania thing, that this was about sloppiness and when they got caught it was, let's do what we do best and deny it? >> with melania, the speech writers for the campaign wrote it. she didn't like it. she conspired with another person to write at the 11th hour. i think mistakes were made. >> right. and that happens all the time. the question s nis, now what dou do? how do you handle it? is that a metaphor for what we're seeing with these other issues about how he deals with things? >> yeah, the paul manafort interview with you was a disaster. they shouldn't have done that. they should have owned up to it. it was a one-day story. then you pivot to the next day of the convention. it was a mistake. now paul manafort is saying, hey, that story with "the new york times," that's inauthentic, "the times" got it wrong. one good reason to not lie on tuesday is because you want to be believed on thursday. >> and also there's transcripts. >> that's never stopped them. >> that's right. but there are transcripts that we will read later in the program that are verbatim what he said. there's evidence of what he originally said. they never sort of calculate that into their denial. >>, no and this is a pattern. it's something every republican in that room and every republican politician is calculating before they jump on board the trump train. it's like, this guy is going to swerve off the tracks. >> ultimately, the gop wants to win, right. the only thing they have no doubt about is that they don't want hillary clinton to be president. do you believe that donald trump can come in tonight and do something with his speech that shows, one, he's growing, and two, he's your guy? >> i don't think he will show he's growing, but i think nonetheless, a lot of republicans will probably go, well, he's likely the best choice. many republicans, though, will say, i don't think we can trust him to make those good decisions that pence is saying he will make. and there's good reason to wonder whether you can trust him, as we've seen throughout the week. >> what do you expect want to, john? >> americans don't feel safe. they don't feel safe from terrorists. they don't feel safe from people killing police officers. they don't feel safe economically. donald trump needs to go out there and make the case that he's the best person in position to keep this country safe. americans don't feel safe, and ripping up the nato treaty, the foundation of american national security since the end of world war ii, is not making anybody safer. the nominee of this party just did that. it's a scandal. >> on that note -- >> awed silence comes across the panel as david frum drops the hammer. >> and the mike. panel, thank you very much. always great to get your insights and to have you here. it was a challenging night for donald trump's newly minted running mate, mike pence. it was spoetsed to be his moment in the spotlight. as you've heard, it was overshadowed by ted cruz. now trump himself is contradicting his vp on foreign policy, as we've been talking about here. cnn's phil mattingly is live in the convention hall with more on trump's vision. phil? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. it was supposed to be mike pence's moment, his night, his opportunity not only to introduce himself to the country but also offer a hand to conservatives that have been very wary of a trump candidacy up to this point. instead, he was overshadowed, and as you noted, it wasn't just by ted cruz, it was by his own running mate. donald trump undermining his running mate mike pence on the biggest night of his career. pence detailing his approach to foreign policy to an enthusiastic audience at the republican national convention. >> we cannot have four more years apologizing to our enemies and abandoning our friends. donald trump will rebuild our military and stand with our allies. >> reporter: but that's not what donald trump is saying in a new interview. "the new york times" reporting that trump is questioning whether he would automatically defend nato members. when specifically asked about russia's aggression towards the baltic states, trump says he would only come to their aid if they, quote, have fulfilled their obligations to us. this contradiction the second major policy discrepancy on display this week between the republican nominee and his newly minted running mate. >> that was a war that we shouldn't have been in because iraq did -- >> your running mate voted for it. >> i don't care. >> reporter: despite these differences, the indiana governor and former congressman making the case for a trump presidency last night. >> donald trump gets it. he's the genuine article. he's a doer in a game usually reserved for talkers. >> reporter: declaring that the gop ticket is an agent of change. >> hillary clinton wants a better title, and i would too if i was already america's secretary of the status quo. >> reporter: a star turn for midwestern mike, a staunch social conservative tea party supporter and devout evangelical who actually endorsed ted cruz before indiana's primary. pence catapulting on to the national stage last year after signing a religious freedom law, criticized for discriminating against gays and lesbians. >> this isn't about disputes between individuals. it's about government overreach, and i'm proud that indiana stepped forward. >> reporter: trump applauding pence's speech on twitter. the gop ticket still getting to know each other. trump awkwardly air kissing his running mate after his big speech. their unity not quite the photo op moment of past republican tickets. guys, just in the couple hours we've been on air, the backlash to that donald trump "new york times" interview is only starting to grow. one former bush administration national security official just texted me one word, breathtaking. one of the baltic state's presidents, the estonian president, saying they fulfilled their obligations to the collective defense treaty when the u.s. went into afghanistan, and now the nato chief himself in an interview with buzzfeed putting out a statement saying, quote, solidarity among allies is a key value for nato. this is good for european security and good for u.s. security. we defend one another. this is something, chris, that isn't going away any time soon. once again, it just underscores the point, we're now on the fourth day of the convention. this is the fourth day where we're not talking about whatever the message was the trump campaign wanted to get across the night before. >> well, this is a tough spot. not everything is about money. you got these nato heads coming out now to talk about the situation. trump is going to have to deal with it. no question this convention is what donald trump wanted. he's now the nominee. but it's not how he wanted it. it all comes down to tonight. can he deliver? 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>> first of all, it made him a small person. it's typical ted cruz, all about him. i'd like to maybe remind ted, america did vote their conscience. they didn't vote for him. >> dido you think donald trump knew that ted cruz was going to go rogue in that way? >> no, i mean, this speaks to donald trump's character. he was very magnanimous. he reached out to the person who came in second in the primary and gave him an opportunity on the national stage to be a true republican. at least say the words, we have to defeat hillary clinton. i am voting for donald trump. all of the others who may have been a little slow to jump on the trump train but in the name of party unity and defeating hillary, every single one of them have come out, maybe with the exception of jeb bush, and said, we're going to vote for donald trump. of course we are. and not ted cruz. >> but did donald trump know that ted cruz wasn't going to say he endorsed him? >> no, no. every other speaker, myself included, had to submit our speech, and somebody would come back. in my case, they changed two words. said, could you flip these two words around. but ted cruz wouldn't submit his. so no, they had no idea what was going to happen. >> is that right? >> this is just plain rude, but it's ted cruz. he's all about himself. that's why he's got, quote, no friends, in washington, d.c., except a few tea party extremists. he made himself a small man. he reduced his stature across the country. the cruz delegates were booing him. the cruz delegates were booing ted cruz last night. >> why is that? wouldn't they be happy he was standing on his principles? >> it's called party unity, defeat hillary clinton, and ted cruz put himself above that. >> so you don't think that ted cruz submitted his speech two hours beforehand? that's what donald trump had tweeted out and said, yes, i got a copy of his speech, not a big deal. >> i think at some point, he submitted it. they had to put it in the teleprompter. whether that was an hour before, whatever it was, it wasn't enough time to really do anything about it. >> and you don't think donald trump -- >> well, maybe -- it was in the teleprompter. certainly they got it ahead of time, but not much ahead of time. they didn't approve it or not approve it. it was submitted. >> okay. i want to ask you about interviews that donald trump gave to "the new york times" in which he talked about his foreign policy. he talked about how he might be reluctant to support some nato allies if they didn't sort of carry their weight, pay their fair share. that has concerned some foreign policy analysts. >> what do we have here? america first. drowning in debt. $20 trillion in debt. donald trump is right in saying we're going to have a conversation here. ultimately, the allies are going to get it. they need to contribute their fair share. we're drowning in debt. they've taken us for granted. our allies have taken us for granted. so this is a fair conversation. i think at the end of it, they're going to acknowledge they've been taking america for granted. donald trump says america first. let's have this discussion. >> here's what hillary clinton's campaign put out as a result of that "new york times" interview. ronald raiken would be ashamed. harry truman would be ashamed. republicans, democrats, independents who helped build nato into the most successful military alliance in history would all come to the same conclusion. donald trump is temperamentally unfit and fundamentally ill prepared to be our commander in chief. people say it's dangerous to suggest that you wouldn't be there for nato allies. >> america first. let's remember, this is secretary clinton, along with the obama administration, that have turned their back on israel. they've turned their back on great britain. obama went to the great britain and told them how to vote on the remain versus brexit. you know what they said to barack obama. that probably turned that brexit vote into what it was. we weren't drowning in debt. we weren't in the financial condition, as people have said, the greatest threat to our national defense is our national debt. those times are very different. all donald trump is saying is i'm putting america first. i'm putting our children and grandchildren first and saying we've got to deal with our national debt. we need to have a conversation that others are contributing their fair share for their national defense. so at the end of the day, alisyn, i believe certainly we're going to be standing with our allies, but we're going to put america first. they're going to pay their fair share. there's nothing wrong with that. >> what are we going to hear tonight from donald trump? >> well, it's going to be a very long speech. >> how long? >> i'm guessing as much as 45 minutes. certainly i'm not privy to that. but he has said it's going to be a long speech. >> okay. >> i think he's going to take us a to z through the campaign. he's going to take us a to z why we should defeat hillary clinton that, he is a true conservative. mike pence certainly is, his selection, plus his supreme court ichoices prove he is a conservative. i think we're going to hear a lot about our national debt, and putting that in context of putting america first. so i think he's going to be reaching out from a to z to the entire country. his kids have already reached out to all the moms across america to say -- not that they're saying look at us, but all the moms and dads across america are wowed by four of his five. i wish they'd put baron on. >> yeah, where's baron? >> if he'd just said, vote for my dad, the election would have been over. >> is that right? okay. and no smoke machine tonight? >> well, there was a smoke backdrop last time. what a grand entrance. coupled with yesterday, i know people were saying here comes the 757. now he's on the helicopter, the trump helicopter. a grand entrance. very presidential. you know, that's a very good things visually. this has been a great convention. i think starting family first. that's never happened before. every single night. and tonight ivanka is coming on. >> we'll be watching with great interest what ivanka has to say. >> i already know, she's going to blow everyone away. >> congressman, thanks so much. >> allisyn, good to be with you. >> the speakers at the gop convention have been pretty diverse. on the floor, it's a very different picture among delegates. is the gop doing enough to be inclusive? we discuss that next. donald trump : i love the old days; you know what they used to do with guys like that when they were in a place like this? they'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. and you can tell them to go f--- themselves! i could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters, okay? it's like incredible. when mexico sends its people, they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever... you gotta see this guy - ahh, i don't know what i said, ahh. "i don't remember." he's going like, "i don't remember!" our children and grandchildren will look back at this time... ...at the choices we are about to make. the goals we will strive for. the principles we will live by. and we need to make sure that they can be proud of us. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. senator ted cruz's snub of donald trump last night seemed to steal some of the headlines this morning but other things are standing out as well at this convention. a very diverse set of speakers addressing the crowd last night, but a lack of minorities among the delegates on the convention floor -- not a lack, but a very small fraction, i would say. that's raising a lot of questions. >> i think you could go with lack. >> well, it's raising eyebrows either way t. here to discuss is the kentucky state senator. he spoke during last night's convention. thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. >> do you think there are enough diversity, people of color, represented? >> i don't know what that number would be. people always talk about that. they ask, do we have enough, do we need more? i always try to think of, you know, quality versus quantity sometimes. you know, i'm here. i'm pleased to be here as a hispan hispanic, a latino. i'm the first to be elected into the kentucky general assembly to represent. i met quite a few people, at least last night. i keep meeting people every night that come over, introduce themselves. folks that are hispanic, african-american. i've seen diversity on the floor. i haven't counted them, per se, to see how many there are. i know some folks like to do that. for me, it's not always about finding out how many you've got. you want to have people there to represent those views. >> one, your message was powerful. it really is a projection of what the best potential future possibility is for the party, which is this kind of reconnection with an emerging middle class. it was very well received, as you know. the second thing is that there ain't enough of you. these are the lowest -- this is the lowest number, ratio-wise, in a long time when the idea was to grow the tent. you spent all that money on that report coming out of the last electoral cycle to figure out how to make the gop resonate with your community and others. and it seems to have gone backwards. why? when there are a lot of alvarados out there. >> well, my message was part of that attempt to reach out. there's a lot of -- if you're wanting to reach out, you've got to start at some point. you know, i had sent out a is kind of communication earlier requesting a fresh start reaching out. senator rand paul has been making an attempt, at least within our own state. >> you guys pick a lot of the delegates. you have control over whom you tap for these things. there's a very small number that are actually elected in there. why didn't they pick more? >> i don't know. i know in kentucky we have a pretty good representation. the hispanic population isn't huge in kentucky. it's growing. i can only speak for kentucky. >> it's the second largest population in the united states. >> yeah, sure. definitely. and we have to do a better attempt of messaging, getting that message out there and connecting with people that are hispanic. >> i don't think we have a number of hispanic delegates, but we do for black delegates. it's a surprisingly low number. 18 out of the 2,472 delegates are black. and that is the lowest number in a long time in people's memories. what do you think is going on? >> i don't know. i mean, i don't know what's going on. i know in terms of when people go to selections for a lot of these state conventions, it goes from grassroots on up. we do ours from county level. we pick delegates that go to the state convention. from state convention, you pick delegates to go to the national convention. so i can't answer that question as to what they do in different states. >> you're not to blame. >> no, i understand. >> you're part of the solution. and latinos are certainly on the rise in this country in all kinds of beneficial ways. that's reflected somewhat at the convention. the question is just why it isn't more, and is the answer trump? >> yeah, well, i think -- well, i don't know that it's one person. i think it's more about message. last night in my speech, i talked about that a little bit. we have values within the republican party that i think are shared by hispanics in general and by latinos in general. we have -- they're congruent and we want to make sure we reach out and understand this is what we stand for, this is your party. until that outreach occurs and we get that messaging out, they're going to know they can belong with us. you got to start it some point. for me, as far as on a national scale, last night was my attempt to do that, to reach out to folks and say, here's who we are, we're just like you, come with us, you know, let's grow this country. >> let's take a listen to what you said in the convention hall last night. >> powerful. >> what my parents did give me was family structure, discipline, support, high personal expectations, love, and faith in god. they were hispanic. they were americans. and they were very proud of being both. but this story is not unique to my family. it's the story of many legal latino immigrants who come to america. >> so that's the message you want to send. there are legal immigrants that come here an work hard and have family values. somehow that message is not getting out. here's the latest poll about how they feel about donald trump. 79% unfavorable towards donald trump. only 17% favorable. what's the disconnect? >> i think it's messaging. that's part of it, obviously. we've had some rhetoric and messaging that hasn't been good at this point. again, i view myself as part of that attempt to reach out to folks. >> when they say trump doesn't like us, he wants to send us back, that's their perception, real or fake. what do you say? >> i think it's a message like we had last night. you got to reach out to people and say, here's who we are. i'm hispanic. i'm proud to be hispanic. i'm bilingual. my parents came to this country legally. the message i want to get out is that people perceive us as peasan peasants, crawling across the border for a handout. we're professionals. doctors, lawyers, even the people that work in our hotels, making your bed, or they may be a lawyer or engineer back in their home country that don't have the credentials to practice that here. but they're people that are bright and capable. i want to make sure that people out there, especially the republican party and people at home, latinos watching, that we know that about them. we know you're professional. you're capable. you're more than somebody looking for a handout. you want self-sufficiency, to be able to provide for ourselves. >> senator, thanks so much for being here. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> all right. donald trump breaking precedent, setting conditions to defend nato allies. how is his strategy being received in the u.s. and abroad? one of the men behind the brexit will weigh in on donald trump next. get back to great. now get a swiss gear backpack for only $10. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great. if you love our country and love your children as much as i know that you do, stand and speak and vote your conscience. vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the constitution. >> all right. that was senator ted cruz last night and his speech has people here at the republican convention talking. the texas senator did not endorse donald trump, and he left the stage to loud boos. here to discuss is former republican governor of texas and former presidential candidate rick perry. he has endorsed donald trump. governor, thanks so much for being here. >> you're welcome. >> what did you think of what ted cruz did last night? >> well, i wasn't on the floor, so i didn't get the full impact, but i was watching it on tv. you know, if a convention's goal is to unite your party behind one candidate, senator cruz didn't get the memo. >> that went off message. i mean, you know, do you think that the trump campaign knew he was going to do that? >> i suspect they did. i mean, again, i don't know all the inner workings and behind the scenes, but i would have been shocked if they didn't have a preview of that speech before it was given. so probably one of the reasons that mr. trump made a very dramatic entry at a particular time last night. so listen, this is about the party coming behind donald trump. i've been very vocal about -- listen, nobody peeled donald trump's skin off any more than i did during the primary process. >> you called him a cancer on conservativism. >> i said some harsh things. he said some harsh things. there were 14 other people that were saying some harsh things, by and large. some were not quite as harsh. >> as colorful as yours. >> the point is, i'm a competitor. i understand how this process works. at the end of the day, we all made a pledge that we were going to support our nominee. if you don't want to keep your word, then don't be signing pledges, is kind of one of the things i like at. >> what's more important, a pledge or your principles? can't you argue ted cruz was standing on principle last night? >> i'll let him make that argument. i'm more interested in a republican being the president of the united states, and donald trump in this case, who is our nominee, making the appointment to the supreme court. i don't want to have to go back to texas and explain to people why i was part of the problem, not part of the solution, and a very left-leaning ginsburg clone is put on the supreme court next spring because i couldn't bring myself to support donald trump. that's a pretty hard argument, i think, to make. >> so there was no part of you last night as you watched ted cruz that thought, good for you. >> no, not at all. i think it was a bad call from my perspective. >> so about party unity, it didn't feel like that was happening, to your point, last night. and it hasn't felt every night as though it's really coalescing. where do you think the party is right now? >> well, at the end of the day, this is going to be about donald trump going out, laying out his vision for america. he's going to talk about how to build our military back up. that's one of my big focuses, not only how to bring our young men and women in the military to a very high comfort level that not only the resources are going to be there, but if they get in the sling halfway around the world, that the united states is going to be there to help them and use every resource they have to bring them home, bring them home safe. hillary clinton has a problem with that. after benghazi, these e-mails that were top secret. you know, i'm here with marcus luttrell. marcus is very concerned that his brothers in arms have been compromised because of hillary clinton's interest in protecting her political world. and that's just a very corrosi thought process. obviously donald trump's going to go out and make the pitch and lay out his ideas on how to get america's economy back on track. he's going to talk about how to secure the border so that our communities are safe. those are the things we're focused on. >> did you read his comments in "the new york times" about nato and whether or not he would just across the board support the allies? >> i think it's time for us to have a conversation about is nato -- are the members of nato doing their part, are they -- >> so you agree with trump? you agree there should be conditions. >> i was one of the people back five years ago that called for -- if you'll recall, i think it was a cnn debate, as a matter of fact, where i called the turkish government terrorists because of the way that they were treating their own people in their country. we look at what happened there about a week ago, and there may be a lot more people going, you know, perry was kind of press yent. i called for zero funding. you want to be a part of nato, you do your part. don't expect americans to come in here, pick up all the cost, and send our young men and women to die in your countries when you're sending -- marcus and i were talking about this walking over here. he said in his entire time of being deployed, and this young man got deployed a lot, he said i saw four french foreign legion guys during that entire period of time. he said, that doesn't build a lot of confidence in us that they're going to be there. so i don't have a problem with us having a conversation about, you know, are you pulling your part of the wagon, or are you expecting america to come do all the heavy lifting and paying a huge price both in our treasure of money and our treasure of our young people. >> governor perry, thanks so much for being on "new day." great to see you. >> thank you. >> well, donald trump making headlines around the world for what we've been talking about, these controversial commentsdef. so what does the man behind brexit think about trump's foreign vision? 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is that what you're talking about when you say more presidential? >> well, you would, you know, my conversations with my father are really between us, but you know, obviously i'm his child, and i'm also been his colleague. i've worked alongside him for the past decade here at the trump organization, and part of the reason we have such a good relationship is because he respects me, and because i'm candid in my opinions. i share them. solicited othr otherwise. >> to that question, did you tell him those were a mistake, or you don't -- >> once in a while, he'll say things and i tell him he could probably do with ratcheting it back. >> he listens? >> sometimes. sometimes he doesn't. sometimes he listens for limited periods of times. >> well, his kids continue to be a wonderful asset. they show a different side. you've known them for a long time. they are not only good kids, they're good people. any time i've interviewed them, they've written me a handwritten thank you note. they don't have do that. they're trumps. we will book them again. it just shows how they were raised, whether that's their mother or father or both. >> give credit too. we're calling them kids. these are adults. they're in their high 20s, 30s. as mike pence said, you can't fake kids. >> good kids. >> good kids. they are a great, great testament to him. so we have a lot about what tonight means. this is the big night. we have some insight into what donald trump has in store. let's get to it. there is a better vision for our future. vote your conscience. >> oh, you boys with bruised egos, you must honor your pledge. >> this isn't just another clinton scandal. >> every american should be terrified that the prospect of a hillary clinton presidency. who better let the politicians know you're fired than donald trump. >> vote for the one candidate who does not need that job. >> that man is ready. this team is ready. our party is ready. >>announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn c e camerota. good morning, 8:00 in the east. alisyn and i are live at the republican national convention in cleveland. ted cruz, what a night he had. literally booed off the stage. heckled after refusing to endorse the party's nominee, donald trump. trump's former rival instead urging people to vote their conscience. only said trump's name once. >> it is not what people were expecti expecting. so the political fireworks over cruz's snub, eclipsed somewhat speeches from mike pence and trump's son eric. highly anticipated speech is just hours away. cnn's coverage this hour begins with cnn political reporter, manu raju, inside the convention hall. what do we expect? >> reporter: hey, alisyn, the convention hall, one of the most contentious moments in recent convention history, when ted cruz refused to endorse donald trump as a speech wore on, the crowd grew more restless and they let ted cruz hear about it. donald trump, undermining his running mate mike pence on the biggest nice of his career. pence, detailing his approach to foreign policy, to an enthusiastic audience at the republic national convention. >> we cannot have four more years of apologizing to our enemies and abandoning our friends. donald trump will rebuild our military and stand with our allies. >> but that's not what donald trump is saying in a new interview. "the new york times" reporting that trump is questioning whether he would automatically defend nato members. when specifically asked about russia's aggression towards the baltic states, trump said he would come to their aide if they, quote, have fulfilled their obligations to us. this contradiction, the second major policy discrepancy on display this week between the republican nominee and his newly minted running mate. >> that was a war we shouldn't have been in, iraq did not knock -- >> he voted for it. >> i don't care. >> despite the differences, the indiana governor and congressman making a case last night. >> donald trump gets it. he is the genuine article. he is a doer in a game usually reserved for talkers. >> declaring the gop ticket is an agent of change. >> hillary clinton wants a better title, and i would too if i was already america's secretary of the status quo. >> reporter: a stark turn for midwestern turn, tea party supporter and devout evangelical who endorsed ted cruz before the primary. cruz, catpulting onto the stage. >> this isn't is a dispute between individuals, it is about government overreach and i'm proud indiana stepped forward. >> trump applauding pence's speecher. trump awkwardly air kissing after their big speech. not quite the photo op moment of past republican tickets. now, we just saw how mike pence was overshadowed by ted cruz. now, let's look at how ted cruz was greeted here in the convention hall, when he refused to back donald trump. >> i want to congratulate donald trump on winning the nomination. >> reporter: it was all downhill from there. ted cruz, delivering a 25 minute speech. that may follow him forever. refusing to endorse donald trump at the republican national convention. >> stand and speak and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket, who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the constitution. >> reporter: cruz, mentioning trump's name just once during his primetime address. the crowd angrily interrupting the speech. then trump suddenly appears in the stands, upstaging the gop runner up yet again. trump later tweeting, wow, ted cruz got booed off the stage. didn't honor the pledge. i saw his speech two hours early, but let him speak any way. no big deal. >> donald trump made the offer without any conditions. senator cruz might have been a little bit more politically smart. >> i think it was awful, and quite frankly, i think it was selfish. and he signed a pledge, and it is his job to keep his word. >> reporter: cruz, later not backing down. >> i laid out a very simple standard. we need a president -- be faithful to the constitution. i hope that it is who the next president will be. >> former house speaker newt gingrich, trying to reframe it as party unity. >> i think you misunderstood one paragraph that ted cruz, who is a superb ortor said. you can vote for anyone who upholds the constitution. there is only one candidate who will uphold the constitution. the only possible candidate this fall is the trump/pence republican ticket. >> but angry delegates in the arena couldn't be subdued. video posted on twitter shows security escorting cruz's wife heidi out of the arena, while being heckled by trump supporters. but two of trump's former rivals, showing they can put the bitter campaign season. >> the time for fighting each other is other. it is time to come together. >> a vote for anyone other than donald trump in november is a vote for hillary clinton. >> reporter: trump, also getting more support from one of his kids. >> it is such an honor to be here for a man i love so so so much. zrchl >> reporter: the republican nominee listening the audience as he praised him. >> he has shaped skylines across the country and turned dreams into reality his entire career. it is what he does. it is who he is. zrchlts aft >> reporter: after denying melania trump's speech. >> did it come from michelle obama, yes or no. >> offering to resign over the firestorm, admitting it way s a mistake to lift words. i think it was terrific and said look, it was a mistake i made, and she thought it was unfair to melania. >> reporter: the blow back happened almost immediately for ted cruz. after the speech, he tried to meet with sheldon he had ellison here at the q center, and mr. he had ellison would not meet with ted cruz because of his lack of endorsement for donald trump. ted cruz is meeting with a texas delegation in this hour. we'll see if he says anything about the very controversial speech last night, chris. >> he haddilson. he had no know. let's bring in special counsel to donald trump himself. counselor, congratulations on the nomination. i know it is a big night. you say we knew what cruz was going to say. he gave us this speech. you knew he was going to take a beating out there, and you welcomed him to it. >> donald trump is bigger than ted cruz. it just goes to show you the distinction between an adult and a baby who happens to be a sore loser at the same time. >> he says and his people say, cruz, i'm a man of honor. i believe in my conservative principles. >> where was the honor last night when he came to somebody's home, the one thing i'll possibly in part agree with and, the man came into another man's home, and disrespected him. you know what he got for that? he got booed. he got thrown out. like i said last night on cnn with jake tapper and wolf and dana, he committed political suicide. >> well, he sees it as extending as preserving his possibility of political life by saying when trump was nominated, i was against it to preserve himself as a conservative to return. >> he was also against the pledge, when he put his hand up in the 16 others attacked mr. trump because initially he wouldn't sign the pledge. he signed the pledge. he lied to america. he lied to the republican party. and if in fact they endorse him and they allow him to be part of the republican party, it is a shame on them. >> donald trump's tweet about it was fairly even keel. but there are reports that when trump saw him in the hallways at the convention, that he wanted a piece of him. he wanted to go up to him. >> i didn't personally see it, but who wouldn't. you invite somebody out of respect to come in and to speak, and i think ted cruz, being the runner -- that's another thing also. they say oh, he was the runner up. he was never even close. trump dominated the count from virtually the very first day. so when they say he is the runner up, yeah, he is the runner up, but like in a horse race, he is three furlongs back. >> do you think he helped trump by galvanizing the anger of the crowd. you just got here. up until now, we're really angry at clinton. and now they were like we're really angry at cruz, because trump is the guy. do you think that maybe it helped him in a way? >> 100%. i think ted cruz galvanized the republican party last night with his behavior. >> so it was supposed to be about mike pence. does the team feel that the vice-presidential nominee delivered? was he the right choice? >> is he right choice. he is a good man. he is going to be a tremendous help to the campaign, but more than that, not only did he steal the show last night, mike pence, eric trump, like the other trump kids so far, don, jr., tiffany, they've shown the type of man that donald trump is. you see the yiddish, this love for their father, this isn't fake. you can't fake this. i see it everyday when they come into the office. i could be sitting with mr. trump, the kids come in, you see the expression on mr. trump's face. >> how did he not cry listening to these kids? we're both parents. >> i'm not a sensitive guy. i would have -- >> i mean, is it because they're a little -- >> can we cut the camera. >> is it because they're oellde. to hear them gush about him. >> can you imagine the pride he must have when his children are talking, and it is from the heart. when eric was i love you so, so -- he couldn't say so enough times. he really loves his father as does ivanka and don. tiffany talking about, you know, personal things. they're each very unique and different children and yet there are similarities in them, which clearly runs in the trump dna. >> it has been great no matter what else has happened at the convention, it will be a memory for a lifetime. so "the new york times" comes out with a report, let's see what happens, if russia attacks a nato ally, their op gations to us, mike pence said something different, which makes republican minds a lot calmer, which is we'll be good to our allies always. manafort came out and said new york times has it wrong. they're going to release transcripts. does trump believe that the obligation to defend nato's allies is absolute? >> well, that i'm going to have to defer to the campaign, because i don't want to speak on behalf of the campaign. we'll leave it for paul manafort. >> tonight, when he comes out there -- >> it is going to be a home run. >> how do you know? >> i know mr. trump. >> prepared? >> he is prepared. he has it set up in his mind. he knows. he is not just an amazing orator, his presence, he is going to bring home this convention. >> a lot of pressure on tonight, because the convention is -- this isn't exactly how he wanted. >> he is the guy that will bring the convention to an absolute -- to the absolute success that he wants it to be. >> will he be on the prompt error wing it. >> i think he'll be a combination of both. >> how long do you think he goes? >> are we doing an under/over? >> yes, 30 minutes. >> i say under 30. >> under 30? >> yeah. slightly under 30. >> beam -- theme music on entry? >> i would hope so. >> queen, "we are the champions?" >> i don't know. >> any idea of entrance, he had the great screen, did you see how he came in on monday. >> i thought it was a smoke machine. he said no. chris collins, they said no, it was a screen effect. no smoke machine. i wanted to get one on the show. >> you should have one on the show. >> alisyn has it in her contract. no smoke machines. literally, i have to create smoke. michael cohen, thank you for being with us. congratulations. >> everybody is proud of mr. trump and so will the american people. >> good to have you. we're going to get to breaking news. we're following breaking news out of new york city. a police stand off shutting down the busiest areas, columbus circle. this is coming to an end, the standoff, after several tense hours. miguel marquez is live in the new york newsroom with the breaking details. miguel, what happened? >> well, it happens to be happening right below cnn headquarters here in new york. extraordinarily tense hours for the police here in new york. it started around midnight, when somebody in a silver suv threw a suspicious object, a candle wrapped in tin foil with glass as well at a police officer into a police van. they then tracked this person up to columbus circle, just a few blocks away, and then it turned into this standoff that would just not stop. police surrounded this vehicle for many hours. they had it boxed in, right at that intersection as you're looking at right now. they were finally able to end this, using a robot to break out the windows of the car. they tried to put a camera, with a speaker into that car to try to negotiate and to talk to this person. they were unable to do that. police say they tried to contact the person's family as well. were unable to do that. they were finally able to take him into custody off on a stretcher, and to a local hospital to be checked out. alisyn. >> okay, miguel, thank you. keep monitoring that for us. >> thank god it ended that way. >> yes. so we're going to get back here to the news of the convention. you and i have switched seats. do you feel different in that position? >> what do you mean we've switched seats? i didn't notice that. >> yes, you are now sitting in the cuomo seat. >> really? >> and suddenly, i find you very offensive. >> very aggressive now. >> i find you aggressive. >> and i interrupt you. >> and i feel very beautiful. >> that's fantastic. so tonight is a big, big night. what's going to happen next coming out of this convention. we've got governor mike pence, big night last night, the party is excited about him. so what happens on the trail. we have a republican senator that is going to give us his take on how the campaign will work, next. for the adult and kid in all of us. ♪ kellogg's frosted mini-wheats® feed your inner kidult think fixing your windshield is a big hassle? not with safelite. this family needed their windshield replaced, but they're daughters heart was set on going to the zoo. so we said if you need safelite to come to the zoo we'll come to the zoo! only safelite can fix your windshield anywhere in the us. with our exclusive mobileglassshops. and our one of a kind trueseal technology, for a reliable bond. service that fits your schedule. that's another safelite advantage. ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ you know, he is a man known for a large personality. a colorful style, and lots of charisma. i guess he was looking for some balance on the ticket. >> mike pence, stepping into the spotlight last night, showing a little humor and delivering a strong speech, after ted cruz royaled the convention by not endorsing trump. pence is calling for the party to unite, but can that happen. joining us now is chairman of the national republican senatorial committee, from mississippi, roger wiki. he has endorsed donald trump. i hope you've had some breakfast and coffee. we have some. that was funny, mike pence says i'm the counterpart with somebody with a big personality. i'm the opposite. >> i served with mike pence in the house. he came there with a pretty big presence. rose to the leadership pretty quickly and readily, and people paid attention to him when he spoke. he makes sense. i think that's a little self-deprecating. mike pence will do fine. he can step into the presidency at a moment's notice. >> he can push back at donald trump? >> i think they compliment each other. i think he is -- he is more into the weeds on issues, because you have to be as a member of the house, as a member of the house leadership, and somebody who has such a good record in economic development. so i think it is a good team. >> did you think that he was overshadowed by ted cruz last night? >> well, i this nk it is a big story. the fact that donald trump was gracious enough to let three of his opponents have primetime on the next to the last night of a national convention spoke volumes about how comfortable donald trump is with his position and how free he felt to let them go on and say what they wanted to say. >> what did you think about what ted cruz said? >> well, i wish he had endorsed donald trump. i like marco rubio's speech better. i like scott walker's speech better. >> did you think ted cruz -- >> so i was disappointed. but i don't think anybody was particularly surprised. it did create a bit of suspense. and the trump campaign apparently knew two hours beforehand. >> you think they read the speech, you believe? >> i believe that when they say it, yes. of course, at that point they had no choice. but i think they were very comfortable. and to me, it makes donald trump look gracious, and i think after day or two, it will turn out to be a plus. >> donald trump has given an interview to the new york about his feelings about nato. basically he believes there should be some conditions for the u.s. participation in defending nato allies. what do you think about that? >> we're going to keep our nato treaty agreements. >> you don't believe there should be -- >> i am member of the armed services committee. before that, the foreign relations committee. we have been harping for years on the obligation, the agreed obligation of our nato allies to devote 2% of their gdp to national defense. some of them have not done that. in recent years, and in light of all that's been coming down the pike in terms of threats to the west and threats to nato allies, they've been trying to get closer to that 2%. some of them are making it. the united kingdom exceptionally does pretty well there. so we have been harping on them to fulfill their part of the agreement. but we're going to defend the baltic countries against russia. >> even if they don't fulfill their agreement? that's what donald trump was suggesting. >> we're going to continue to work with them and we are going to fulfill our obligation to these countries, who would be victimless against a putin. at the same time, we're going to continue harping, as i've done, they need to do their part, spend at least 2% of their gdp on defense. >> let me read to you a little bit of the transcript of what donald trump said so you can tell me if you think this is dangerous, as some have suggested. o one of the new york times reporters, can they count on the u.s. if they were attacked by russia and count on us fulfilling our obligations. donald trump says have they filled their obligations to us. if they fulfill their obligations to us, the answer is yes. so again, conditional. do you think that's dangerous making that suggestion? >> what's dangerous is eight years of the obama/clinton foreign policy. where we had these -- where actually george w. bush handed them a surge that had worked in iraq. but because the president and secretary of state wanted to chalk up an accomplishment, they abandoned that, and we a bbandod an ally. >> but some people believe that is what donald trump is suggesting. abandoning nato. >> i think donald trump will make it clear that we're part of nato, it is an important alliance. and at the same time, we're going to keep insisting, as i say, that they fulfill their part of the bargain as we continue to fulfill our part of the bargain. >> senator, thank you so much. it is the last night of the republican convention. so what will donald trump say to bring republicans together? our panel weighs in on his big night, that's next. it is the final night of the republic national convention here in cleveland, where chris and i have been all week. what will the much anticipated speech from donald trump say? what will he do tonight, and how will it all impact the democrats when they start their convention on monday. let's discuss this with cnn political commentator and senior contributor, matt lewis and host of the david gregory podcast, david gregory. david, what will you be looking for tonight? >> this is about party unity, and trump speaking beyond the convention hall, to answer the reservations. he is trying to create addition, a base of support here. obviously big riffs in the party. we saw that. we've been talking about it with ted cruz. here he wants to speak to a wider audience and make the argument, yes, he is different, downsides to him, and he is risky in the eyes of a lot of people, but worth the risk. the alternative is so bad with hillary clinton, and the conditions are so bad in the country, he has to figure out a way to create a path toward addition to get himself beyond the base. >> balance, how to impress the faithful with how to grow the base. so what do you need to hear, matt lewis, as a member of that faithful, and then what do you think the bar will be overall for him? >> i think what he needs to do, for me and for everybody, if i was advising him, i would say he has got part of the equation down really well. which is fear mongering. there are things to be afraid of. emotions drive people to vote. i think mission accomplished. donald trump can scare people. he can scare them with hillary clinton. he can scare them with a dangerous world. what he needs to do is talk about the optimistic side. you can do the 1968 richard nixon law and order thing, and also provide some hope, some change, which he is a change agent, and optimism. i would say this. make america great again is inherently an optimistic message. >> what will the style be? we've heard congressman collins say it will be 45 minutes long, and then one of our guests said under 30. he can use a prompter, but rift and take the energy of the crowd. he is most effective with the latter. what do you think he'll do? >> it is so hard to predict. >> would you like to make a bet what happens if had. >> he won the bet and you have not really acknowledged it. >> at 5:00 a.m. when he makes these bets. >> would you like to make a bet? >> i'm going to say prompter. >> i'm going to say goes off prompter for large swaths of time. >> here is the thing. i think that trump, he has to show discipline. we've been talking about a lot this week. polling out, 60% don't think he is qualified for the job. he has to help people at home in these swing states, say to themselves, yeah, i can see him in the job. he has got to get over that threshold to be a plausible commander in chief. on the other side, hillary clinton for had all her flaws, what she is hammering home, hammering home, he is too risky. we see that. we see that in the poll of the people. >> the convention could be seen as a microcosm of that. all is forgiven it looks like a serious campaign which might be a serious, competent president. if this continues to be a train wreck, that's a microcosm for a big message. >> train wreck, do you think that's too strong a term? >> no. if tonight goes like last night, the whole narrative is set it is a ds s disaster. >> last night was a disaster. >> why? >> because the guy's main -- the number one goal is unite the party. that's why you have the convention. and you have total control over your convention. your chief rival snubs you. >> yeah, but they were cheer for trump. >> i get it, but it is just disarray. >> the melania trump thing a couple of days ago. it is a narrative, a trend. it could end if donald trump delivers. >> the most part, 80% happens tonight, you know, this is donald trump. he is the most important part of his campaign, ever more true, because there is such a personality around him. it has been a bad couple of days, because we know there is a lack of unity within the party. i think there were notes of grace last night, as you've pointed out on the part of donald trump. knowing that he wasn't going to get endorsed. that's not the imaging you want. >> matt, how has everything that happened in cleveland color what will happen in philly monday? >> i think, again, see how it goes tonight, but what hillary wants to do is a complete contrast. if this is confused, if this is a mess, if this is chaotic, they want their convention to go off without a hitch, to be professional, credible, come tent, and that will send a message that hillary clinton will be the serious, you know, commander in chief who can keep us safe and not have all these scandals and messes. >> do you think that's a given by the way, or what they're dealing with in terms of who they are as a party on the democratic side with the sanders influence, creates doubt what happens there as well. >> not all things are equal. she is ahead. we'll see how well trump can do tonight. maybe he can get bounce out of the convention, despite discord within the party. the advantage she has got is that she has got a president with high marks, a former president with high marks, a first lady with high marks. they're all there behind her. you you're going to have a much happier unified democratic party. having said that, she, the candidate, has tremendous negatives. and what has been exposed here in the part of the republican party that is unified is how much they dislike hillary clinton, and will vote based on that. >> huge hurdle. >> contrast of what we think we know about the republican and democratic parties. normally it is the republican party who falls in line. they run off the script or run with the script. democrats are chaotic, they're going back to the 1960s, completely different this time. >> matt, dick, thank you. many say this election is between donald trump and hillary clinton. but gary johnson has something to say about that. in fact, he is right here talking about that right now tw w two of our wonderful intern, the libertarians candidate joins us next. 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[brad whistling] [brad] change your apartment, change the world! be president? donald trump or hillary clinton? that's your -- ow. who was that. governor gary johnson is here. libertarian candidate for president. >> looks like we're going to get in the presidential debate. the threshold is 15. do you think you can make it? >> i do. keeping in mind in the last six weeks, the 13 is a double from where it was. >> do you feel what is going on at the rnc is good for him? >> well, i think donald trump alienates more than half of republicans. being here at the convention, i'm trying to keep a really low profile, and very respectful of donald trump and the fact that he got the nom nagts. >> are you saying that coming on "new day" helps you keep a low profile? >> no, i'm not saying that. not being in the con vngs and not wanting to throw rocks here at all. >> is anybody comes up to you on the street and saying hey, you may get my vote? >> like 1,000 people. amazing. not one single jab. >> really? >> you i think would get at least a poke, wouldn't you? just at least one poke? >> nobody has said why are you trying to hurt the party? >> exactly. amazing. unbelievable. you would have figured a couple of, hey, what are you doing? >> i'm not doing as well. so what do you think about the big moments that have transpired. mick pence last night, the vp nominee, how do you think he comported himself? >> we really have differences of opinion. i hope at that take those differences to the presidential debates, the presidential and vice-presidential debates. i would love to see bill weld in the mix with whomever millry chooses. >> do you think he is a worthy choice for the party? >> i think he is indicative of where the party is right now. there is some intolerance there. his issues with denying -- saying look, let's cutback aids funding and conversion therapy for young gay people. chris, that's in my opinion, that's misplaced in my opinion. he is leaning into the drug war, when everybody else is recognizing that has failed. we should be looking at reduced sentences for victimless nonviolent crimes. >> what did you make of the ted cruz situation? >> well, he did say to vote for gary johnson, didn't he? that was vote your conscience. >> newt gingrich said that meant you have to vote for donald trump, because he is the only candidate in the race who will uphold the constitution. >> i would certainly uphold the constitution. we are a country governed by laws and at the heart of the laws are the constitution. >> other big event that happened -- >> and donald trump, gosh, wasn't he saying that he is going to look at making it easier to sue the media. >> yes. >> first amendment. >> he wanted to look at it. >> that's in the constitution of the united states. >> he said he wanted to look at it. i don't know how he is feeling about that this week. he had a situation that they had to handle what happened with melania's speech. you say leave melania alone. she is not the focus of the campaign. leave it alone. you don't feel so hands off about how they handled it, why? >> well, i mean, donald trump is looking to get elected president of the united states. i always maintain that, look, you should acknowledge -- we all make mistakes. we all make mistakes. it is how we deal with the mistakes that ultimately determine success or failure. an immediate response and move forward. people respect that. i don't know if the story jives with what happened, and i'll leave that to others. but melania, the pressure that spouses come under, you know, hey, i've got to deliver a two and a half minute speech. it sounds simple who has been doing it all the time, spougs spouses haven't been in this. >> many don't want to. >> she is like oh, my gosh, what am i going to do. she looks up what michelle -- i don't know what happened. it would have been nothing would have happened with this if there had just been a clear admission of everything that happened, how it happened, and some sorries and move on. >> will you also go to philadelphia? >> you know, i didn't want to come here. the notion being to be respectful. so, but the world media is here, and talking earlier about polling, this interview right here, i'm sure is going to propel me over 15%. so thank you vech. >> we are here to aid the process. >> but the world media is here. so there is a big opportunity. there were a lot of invitations to come, and be able to given ter views. i think yesterday, counting smartphones in your face, i think probably gave in excess of 70 interviews yesterday. >> so then it makes sense to go to philadelphia. >> perhaps. >> if we see you there, cheese steak on you. >> cheese steak. >> thank you for being with us. >> chris, thank you. here is a question for you. what should the united states do if one of its nato allies is attacked. that's the foundation, the fundamental understanding of nato. new comments from the man on your screen, donald trump, setting off a firestorm for the campaign. what did he say, and how is the world viewing it. next. donald trump is preparing for the biggest speech of his life tonight for the republican nominee raising eyebrows this morning with comments he made in a new york times interview where he set conditions for defending our allies in nato. so let's discuss how the rest of the world is viewing all of this. we want to bring in christiane amanpour, and nigel, who pushed for britain's exit from the european union. good to see you here this morning. the trump doctrine, as he outlined in "the new york times" speech seems to be there are conditions now. he would put fortunate tow and for whether or not the u.s. is going to defend the nato allies. basically whether or not they pay up and carry their fair share. >> well, basically in that 45 minute interview, he upturned decades and generations of american, particularly republican foreign policy. he went into the isolationism mode, his mentors are henry kissinger and james baker, but the most frightening was what he said about nato, using it as a transactional business alliance. if you don't pay up, we won't come to your support. that's a complete break with american policy. nato is an american led alliance. a security alliance, the trans-atlantic security alliance. to do think that the baltics or even, you know, check zechs, be since world war ii, it has stopped a war in europe. why japan, koreaa, and not about a business deal. >> when you say that, money for protection, it sounds like, you know, a street deal. mr. farage, what is your opinion about. >> cutting cutting, pleased to say a change around in the uk. we've now committed to spending 2%, which is a reasonable number. so i mean, the problem with nato is this. you're absolutely right, it was a wonderful vehicle to keep peace for 60, 70 years, but nato does need to redefine itself. what is it for. we don't have the warsaw pact. i'm pro cooperation, but it is not a bad things if we reassess what it is for. >> we ask what it is for, but what about russia is doing in ukraine. >> hang on. nato and the european union said they want the ukraine to join their alliance. putin saw that as a direct threat. nato needs to sit down. >> if i might be so bald, he is espousing a certain policy which donald trump agrees with as well. i do believe that you believe there are spheres of interests that russia should have its way in its traditional sphere of interest, and that certainly donald trump views leaders like president putin, even president erdogan in turkey and we should not interfere. this sort of autocratic bent towards letting other countries do what they think is best in their interest, and america should stay out while america quote-unquote cleans up its own house. america is the leader of the free world. the leader of the free world, which wants to bring democracy, which wants to aid freedom, morality and values, all the kinds of things we've grown-up, and we believe are the right way. america first cannot be america first, if america is absent. that i think is the take away from this. >> that's fine. but let's be honest. ukraine is a democracy. the elected leader of the ukraine was overthrown in a coup by people who wanted the ukraine to move westward and join nato and join the eu. all i'm saying is we should not be -- >> but nigel. >> i am not a putin fan, but we shouldn't be encroaching on his space. >> nigel, russia signed a deal to make sure that ukraine had territory integrity in order for ukraine to voluntarily give up its nuclear weapons. that was in russia's interest, in the west's interest. russia violated that by violating for the first time since world war ii an international border in europe. this is the kind of thing. obviously nato is not going to war there, we know that. >> but why provoke? it is not necessary. >> you can think that, but that's the putin line. >> help us understanding is for a second. where is the provocation on behalf of nato of interceding in a sovereign ukraine being invaded by russia in. >> well, the invasion took place after the overthrow of a democratic -- >> there is no invasion. >> elected leader. all i'm saying is nato a defensive organization or an expansion organization. >> let's pick that apart. nato is a defensive and if necessary, you know, to an attack on one is an attack on all. article 5 of nato. so nato is created, and let's be very clear. this is important for american foreign policy going forward. this is the american-led security guarantee for all of europe. anything that messes with that and treats that as a purely dollars and cents transactional deal, and you're right, some countries have started to come forth with paying up the 2% of their gdp, but to break up nato is -- they were not coming to our allies' defense, unless they pay us the money is a complete break. it retrenches america into a less safe america. so america will retrench, what, behind fortress atlantic and watch the rest of the world go to hell. it is not possible for american security. >> let's talk about the bigger approxima picture here in cleveland. we're interested in hearing from perspective who is not american, what you think of donald trump? what you think of the reaction to him here in cleveland. >> clearly, he hasn't taken on the establishment in washington. he has taken on the establishment within the republican party. so i mean, last night, i imagine this would be very stage managed, by seeing something very slick, everyone knew what was going to happen and we got the ted cruz speech. it is exciting to watch it. but my goodness me. if he wins in november, then the republican party will have to accept that he has changed fundamentally. as it is, the party has real problems. >> why? >> because it is split. it split over trump. it split over some of the areas of policy that he is talking about. but in particular, the way he is talking about them. >> last word? >> well, you know, it is very, very interesting. nigel farage was the candidate, was the politician who basically spurred britain to leave the eu. he told the -- didn't you tell the european parliament, i told you 17 years ago i was going to do that. now you can stop laughing at me. all well and good, but what's the plan. what's the post brexit plan. you must admit, you must have been horrified when the will he johns, michael go are boris johnson just left the stage. where is the blueprint or the plan. >> boris johnson is now the foreign secretary. >> that's correct. >> liam fox, the pro-american of westminster is in charge of negotiating with you guys. we've left the backward european union. it is looking good. >> do you see parallels between dths and that? >> well, i think donald trump does and i think the brexit people do. if you look at what has been written in the president. >> somewhat of mr. trump makes him wince. >> the uk conservatives is very different. >> cultural. >> what we must not do, what we must not do, there are problems within islam. we saw last week, what we must not do is fall into the trap of labeling all muslims as bad. that's what i'm worried about. >> donald trump says that that is hiding from something that is inherent within islam itself, that is engendering the problem. >> there are 3 million people living in america, and i suggest the way to deal with this is where there are problems, to be tough, but to embrace them and make them part of your community, of your society. let's all of us do that. we're headed for real problems. >> we've got one of the european far right leaders here, he also would like to see a nextit. he would like to see the netherlands move from the eu as well. france, marion, would like to see france leave. it is all around this muslim issues ciao. >> it is part of it. >> he told me yesterday that, you know, any muslim committing a crime, he didn't even say terrorism, committing a crime should be denaturalized and sent back home. we're in a very different an antiestablishment territory right now. it is very interesting to see whether the genuine security issues like terrorism, like nato and the balance of power and peace in europe can actually be dealt with in this generation going forward. >> yes, and what is happening internationally in europe and then of course here in cleveland. there are parallels. you've both outlined it beautifully. nigel farage, christiane, thank you so much. thank you for watching us. we'll see you tomorrow. "newsroom" with carol costello starts right now. >>announcer: this is cnn breaking news. and good morning, i'm live at the quicken loans arena for the final day of the republic national convention. thanks so much for joining me. it is the day after the major dis on the convention stage. you see ted cruz, he is speaking to his home state delegation. let's listen. >> what is it about. what are you fighting for. one of the things i love -- thank you, sir. god bless you. one of the things i love about this texas delegation is these are women and men of principle. [ applause ] it has been the greatest privilege of my life to represent each of you in the united states senate. when i was sworn in as a seto

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