On 1 the title, its very bottle. Thank you is the title. Bacon is so fine, it is so fine to eat some swine. Its bacon peaks and baking, bacon, its so fine to eat some swine. Its stake in. Its outfront next, shocking announcement out of the vatican today. Plus a power struggle in the Republican Party. In the end, who will be the voice of the gop . Somebody might die in this fight. Will rubio win or somebody like rand . And ted nugent has been invited to attend tomorrows state of the Union Address. We have a preview of what he might say in a special report. Lets go outfront. Good evening. Everyone. Im erin burnett. Tonight, the fourth most powerful man in the world resigns. Pope benedict xvi surprised many of his 1. 2 billion fall ors worldwide when he said he was going to step down at the end of the month, and the reason, his age. Nearly one in four americans identifies as catholic. According to the church, the catholic population worldwide has about 15 million members in 2010. The latest year for which there was data. About 17 of the planet is catholic. Now, a church is believed to be the Third Largest landowner in the world, so its hard to estimate what the church owns and what its worth. Economists estimate annual spending just by the United States by the Catholic Church and its entities was about 170 billion in one year, 2010. Sister Simone Campbell is the executive director of the National Catholic justice lobby. Brian finny worked for opus dei. Scary guys. Let me start with you, sister simone. I wart to start with a serious issue. 3. 3 billion has been paid out by the church in the past 15 years to settle rape and molestation charges of boys against priests. Pope benedict has been accused of failing to act by some. The executive director of the Survivors Network of those abused by priests spoke. He said, quote, when forced to, he talked about the crimes but ignores the coverups. Uses the past tense as to suggest its not still happening. He has vast powers and hes done very little to make a difference. Is that true . I dont know exactly what the pope has done to atone for whats happened. I do know that this has been a scandal in our church, but worst of all, it has been caused serious harm to children for many years. And that we as a church need to atone for that. Paying money is one thing, but we all know that doesnt make up or atone for the sin of these crimes against children. We have a lot still to do. We need leadership that will engage that issue. And do you think, brian, that the next pope needs to be active on this . There are still cases now in this country where there are priests who abuse children and there were people, perhaps, at the highest level of the vatican, who covered up for that. I think the next pope absolutely needs to be sensitive to this, but he also needs to be recognized that Pope Benedict was the first pope to meet with victims of sex abuse. He was a pope who pushed through new procedures so the church would be sensitive to the needs of victims. So i think a tremendous amount has been done, and the church will continue to try to be sensitive to the needs of victims. All right, i want to ask about a couple of other issues and i want to start the issue of home sexualty and same sex marriage. Here, 1 in 4 americans identify themselves as catholic, and in catholics in the United States of america, 54 of them support gay marriage. Clearly, the will of the catholic people in the United States is in favor of gay marriage, not the church. Isnt it time for the church, which is supposed to be an inclusive, generous. Giving organization, to move ahead on gay rights . The reality is almost every single time, there has been one case in which gay marriage was put to the voters and the voters actually supported gay marriage. When people are educated on the issue and have a chance to reflect on it, people will vote against it. Part of the you think in the United States, the tide is going to turn back and people are going to go against gay marriage . I cant prognosticate for the future, but what i do know as a catholic and what i believe as a human being is its good for a child to be able to experience the love of both a mother and a father. And the love of a mother and a father is irreplaceable. And also, if we start tinkering with marriage, i think were going off in very dangerous directions. So i would think we should be very cautious in doing that. Even if they love each other, isnt the Catholic Church supposed to be about love . Yes, the Catholic Church is about love, and the Catholic Church is about telling all of us that we should love in a genuine way and a way which is good for the other human being and a way which is good for families. What the Catholic Church is saying is that this indeed in the end is not good for families, is not good for society. But at the same time, it is the Catholic Church does recognize that gays have inherent Human Dignity. Its hard to say they have inherent Human Dignity and then say they cant be part of your church. Sister simone, why dont you jump in . Is this going to be a deal breaker . I would love to jump in. I think the challenge is our church looks at it from the hierarchys perspective, but we live in a plurallistic world, and we know that jesus said go, teach all, and love is the measure for all we love all, and its that welcoming embrace that we need as a church, not censure and judging each other. Jesus did not judge, so i urge our leaders to be as christ was, the welcoming part of faith, and thats where we need to move. Not in judging and creating lines that divide and separate. Thats wrong. And brian, are you willing to lose people over this issue . I was raised catholic. A lot of people i know were, and most of them are no longer practicing. Some have to do with womens rights, but a lot has to do with the stance on gay marriage. The church embraces the spirit of the times are the churches that are losing numbers. And so what the Catholic Church needs to do, the Catholic Church needs to say, christ calls you to love. To love him, you have to love all of humanity. And it calls you part of that is conversion as well. With respect to homosexuality, the church is saying there are forms of behavior that are not constructive, but we love you and we can work with you. Thats what the church is trying to say. I want to move on quickly before we go to one other issue, sister simone, the issue of women. Why a lot of people have been frustrated with this church in this country that have abandoned it. Can there ever be a change . Youre sister simone. What about having a priest that was a woman . What about the symbol that that would send to little girls . I actually grew up as a young girl and played mass with my sister, and i didnt realize as a girl that i couldnt do it. So i have a long history of thinking we are Leaders Within our church. I do think that theres room for reconsidering this issue. When you look at the artifacts and the early writings, women were deacons in the early church. Women provided leadership. Women celebrated sacraments with the people. So i think we can return to our early roots as opposed to the middle ages where there was more of an emphasis on the patriarchy. If we recovered our real heritage, women would once again be in their rightful place. Thank you, and before we go, in a word, women priests . Back before the middle ages, women had more rights. They have to follow the rites of only having men ordained. We have to be faithful to christ. Thank you very much. Please share your point of view with us. Obviously, two very different points of view tonight. Still to come, some say theres a civil war in the Republican Party. Who will call the shots for the gop, or will it splinter into oblivion . Plus, the girl murdered in chicago. Why is it taking so long to find her killer . And joe paternos family calls a investigation into the penn state child sex scandal wrong and flawed. Joe paternos son comes outfront to explain why. [ female announcer ] going to sleep may be easy, but when you wake up in the middle of the night it can be frustrating. Its hard to turn off and go back to sleep. Intermezzo is the first and only prescription sleep aid approved for use as needed in the middle of the night when you cant get back to sleep. Its an effective sleep medicine you dont take before bedtime. Take it in bed only when you need it and have at least four hours left for sleep. Do not take intermezzo if you have had an allergic reaction to drugs containing zolpidem, such as ambien. 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It has been pretty interesting watching the Republican Party recently. A little bit like watching, perhaps, a payperview wrestling match. Rand paul and marco rubio, two rebuttals to the president from one party. Is that a good or bad thing for the party . Were not a monolithic party. We have a diversity of opinions just like they do in the democratic party. The president is in the more liberal wing, and there are moderates who disagree with him on things. Listen, we have work to do, after losing a president ial election two cycles in a row, to a president that had a 16 trillion debt and an 8 unemployment rate, thats not good, so there are different views on how to get us back on tract. The good news is we control a good majority of the state legislatures and 30 out of the 50 governors are republicans. We have been gaining for the last four years. So i think were winning in some areas. At the national level, we clearly have work to do. All right, and look, i have to give you credit. You came out, 30 of 50 governors. Let me ask you, because of the talk about the civil war, the donald trump tweet about karl rove, here is what donald trump tweeted. Karl roves strategy and commercials were the worst i have ever seen. Karl rove is a total loser. Money given to him might as well be thrown down the drain. Other tea parties have criticized rove and said hes too moderate which has left me scratching my head because he used to be considered the bulwark of the Republican Party. Who is the real republican . Donald trump or karl rove, if you had to choose . I know both of them. Theyre all good republicans. We have good disagreements, just like the other side. When you lose after a president ial race, theres always this soul searching. I think its healthy. What is our message . How are we going to appeal to those young voters and new voters and minority voters that we lost in big numbers this time . How are we going to change our tone . So that we are more effective messengers. And i think marco rubio is going to do a great job tomorrow night explaining the republican message to a broader audience. Look, this is just part of the process. Im not that worried about it. I dont call it a civil war. Its a disagreement in the family. And well be a stronger Republican Party going forward. Do you think, though, when you look at, lets say chris christie, could he actually get a nomination in the Republican Party given that he comes from a state that has some of the most restrictive, second most restrictive gun law in the country, that he is considered to be openminded on things like gay marriage . He calls himself a republican, but it seems like looking at a republican primary, he would look like a flaming democrat. Chris is a friend of mine. Hes a darn good governor. Hes got a 70something percent Approval Rating in a blue state. I think people want results and not talk. Plenty of rhetoric and talk and blame shifting in washington, and governors know how to get something done, so the answer is yes. We want to elect people and nominate people who are prince pale conservative but can win. I think youll see more of that going forward. Governors are good ones to lead the way. You have been talked about as a candidate for 2016. Marco rubio seemed like a good choice. You want to talk about immigration. You want to put out someone who is diverse. Do you need rubio to be the nominee for the Republican Party to not become what the leftleaning new republic has just called the gop as the party of white people . Well, i mean, thats grossly unfair. Both parties have were a majority white country. Were becoming more diverse. And i think thats a great thing. And our challenge is to be able to say why this conservative republican message gets results, why conservatism works and liberalism fails and why for the average person in america, why it produces things that are better for your family on taxes, on spending, education, on debt and deficit. This president has run into 16 trillion in debt, heading to 17 trillion, and a job rate that is abysmal. The president has to explain how hes going to turn that around. Marco rubio is a great guy to explain why that message is going to work. Thank you. A girl who performed add the president s inauguration was gunned down in chicago. We have the latest developments in the hunt for her killer. People are rightfully concerned about their participation as witnesses in this case or in any other case that involves a murder. Chicago police say attacks against witnesses are actually rare, but people still believe theyre in danger. I have to live here and my family lives here, so it would be a problem with me telling. Because what could happen . Because they would kill people. Its that dangerous out here. It is dangerous to do it. Because you dont know who is watching and who knows you and what theyre capable of doing. What could they do to you . They could shoot you or kill you. Thats exactly what they did last april to 26yearold kimberly harris, shot 20 times, three times in the face, just days before she was to testify against a gang member accused of killing her boyfriend. There were arrests in fewer than 40 of the 506 homicides in chicago last year, in many cases police simply couldnt get witnesses to tell them what happened. If we dont have those witnesses when we go to trial, how are we ever going to win our case . How are we ever going to hold that person responsible . We need the community to not be afraid to name them, to out them, to lure them in. Father Michael Phleger has been preaching at st. Sabina Catholic Church on chicagos south side for almost 30 years. We have to start reframing the way everything is talked about. Youre going to be threatened. No, most likely youre not. Youre a snitch. No, youre saving somebody elses life. Its already too late to save this life, one that had so much promise and was cut way too short. Ted, of course, chicago, the president s, you know, his home town. Hes going to be coming there on friday. He has been criticized by some for ignoring the violence in chicago. What do people hope hes going to do on friday . I think specifically in the short term, erin, theyre hoping hell just extend the dialogue which was started by Hadiya Pendletons death. Her death has struck a nerve in this city like none other, at least for years. Theres a real feel that people have had enough and there has to be something done. They hope the president coming here will continue that dialogue and there will be some resolve. Ted, thank you very much. 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