Both sides and the president s side, the Special Counsel side had a facetoface meeting last week. A rare facetoface meeting after weeks of informal discussions and were told by a source familiar myself, my colleague that Robert Muellers Team Provided more granularity on the topics they would like to discuss with the president in a possible interview under the umbrella of the firing of james comey as well as the firing of the former National Security adviser Michael Flynn. The specifics include the Attorney General Jeff Sessions role in the firing of james comey as well as what the president knew about his National Security adviser Michael Flynn and his conversation he had had with former Russian Ambassador Sergei Kizlyback about the actions. There is possible collusion, possible Obstruction Of Justice and what the president knew. Im told by a source familiar that legal team has taking the
topics and created questions possible questions that could be asked in an interview on a memo. But im told by another source, don that, the president is now vacillating on whether he wants to do an interview with Robert Muellers team. He said that he wants to sit down with him under oath but now as ate pears this russia probe continues to go on and on despite what the president has been told by his lawyers, he sort of changing his posture as we saw over the weekend with him going after Robert Mueller directly by name, don. Pamela brown reporting from the white house. Thank you very much. Here to discuss all of this, our cnn political analyst and Robert Muellers special assistant at the Justice Department and Patrick Heely of the New York Times. So hello to all of you. Michael, i want to get new first. Can President Trumps lawyers control the details of what the Special Counsel wants to talk to trump about . No. They cannot. And, in fact, i think that the
Washington Post reporting to day that theyre trying to give a narrative of the White House Events in an effort to circumscribe muellers interview is just really not probable. The reality is that mueller is going to ask the president the questions that mueller feels he needs to ask in order to determine whether or not there was any interference that was known by the president , any collusion or coordination that the president s campaign participated in and then the Obstruction Of Justice and as we saw from the subpoenas last week, possibly financial crimes by the trump organization. And there is fno way that any self respecting prosecutor with respect the effort to circumscribe the interview. President trump said he was looking forward to speak with mueller. He was able to hold off attacking him by name. But how does this outward hostility now affect this investigation . And that is goes to his mindset. And he believes hes Above The Law then if he thinks he doesnt have to answer. He believes that he has for decades has seen himself as someone who has been unfairly targeted either by the media, by enemies in court. This is his mindset. And that if you have, you know, if you have good lawyers, if you have a good team, you can, you know, you can avoid essentially having to answer those questions. What do you call that . Do you call that dilutional , hw you would think its a witchunt . How would he think that people are out to get him if you not necessarily in this but if he has laus lawsuits and didnt pay people or did something wrong, how is that a witch hunt . It is trumps way of branding the enemy. Hes done that in the political sphere when he brands marco rubio as little marco or bob corker. So i think that has been his legal strategy. It is his pr strategy at this point as well. He wants to prejudge this, prejudge this for the public so that whatever bob mueller come out with they are prepared at least if youre a republican or at least if youre inclined to like donald trump, then you would go along with this story of that hes painting. It also, i think to patricks point, is on brand in terms of trump is always the embattled one. He embattled against even people in his own administration, people that hes aint pod. People who are republicans. Hes forever the outcider. That is paranoia, naea. Listen, im not a psychiatrist. I dont play one on tv either. You know, those are your words. But there is you dont have to see that someone is paranoid, you dont have to be a psychiatrist. Right. There is certainly i mean he has, i think, believed as patrick said that people are out to get him because he is, you know, he imagines himself as this great man and this big
target. If youre a great man in a big target, then guess what . At least in his mind then folks want to take him down or after him. Again, just what i said before. So i have to ask you this. This is according to the Washington Post, President Trumps legal team shared documents because theyre worried for his pension for making erroneous claims would be vulnerable in an hours long interview. That is a serious concern, dont you think . It is. If you look at what this investigation has brought so far, the guilty pleas have been about what . Perjury. Making false statements to investigators. You think about rick gates and then if you even go back to president clinton. What was president clinton impeached for . What were the charges . At least partly it was lying under oath about sex can monica lewinsky. So thats what this team around donald trump is looking at and also his very well known pension for making stuff up, making erroneous claims. Some say outright lying. So that is why you see this team
trying to circumscribe and put guardrails up on what hes going to be saying under oath for fear of that he would break into that pattern he often has of just make things up. Youre much kinder than i am. With your phrasing and your words. And not just saying lying. So listen, michael, investigators have told the president s lawyers that when it comes to questions about Michael Flynn and james comey, the Questions Mueller have for President Trump are about what did he do . And what was he thinking when he did it . Lets remember what the president said in his own words. There is about firing comey. Lets watch this. In fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i seld, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. Its an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election that they should have won. So whether it comes to Michael Flynn and his previously undisclosed meeting with the Russian Ambassador, the
president said i had to Fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the fbi. He plead guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide. How damaging, michael, will these past comments be . Well, i think that what will be the most damaging is if the president repeats under oath stories that mueller does not believe to be true. So all of these tweets now may be fodder for the interview but really it is the under oath interview that matters most in terms of President Trumps legal jeopardy. What we have now, don, is a series of acts. The firing of comey, the hostile workforce with mccabe, the stand down, communications with comey visavis flynn, the loyalty, all those things are little pieces that mueller has to look at in terms of an Obstruction Of Justice mosaic. When you add on to it any lies under oath, then i think that clearly tips the scales as nia reported with respect to an Obstruction Of Justice finding or an abuse of office impeachable offense. So thats what the lawyers are most concerned about. The adding of those little pieces of mosaic plus The Lie Equalling Obstruction or abuse of power and theyre going to do everything they can to protect the president. But in the end, the power of the grand jury will prevail and the president will have to ask im sorry, i cant say it in english, hell have to answer questions hell be asked under oath. That will determine the legal situation. Its monday. You need to warm up. By wednesday youll be perfectly fine. Thank you all. I appreciate it. When we come back, 50 million facebook profiles access, data of course sesed by
the firm hired by the Trump Campaign. Im going to talk to the person that blew the whistle on Cambridge Analytica. Its ok that everyone ignores me while i drive. Its fine. Because i get a Safe Driving Bonus check every six months im accident free. And i dont share it with mom right, mom . Righttt. Safe driving bonus checks. Only from allstate. Switching to allstate is worth it. Were drowning in information. Where, in all of this, is the stuff that matters . The stakes are so high, your finances, your future. How do you solve this . You dont. You partner with a firm that advises governments and the fortune 500, and, can deliver insight person to person, on what matters to you. Morgan stanley. We the people who are Better Together than we are alone. Are unstoppable. Welcome to the entirely new expedition. Tonight were hearing from Christopher Wiley. In the interview youre about to watch, he tells me about his work at the company with close ties to the Trump Campaign, a company now accused of using the
private data of tens of millions of facebook users to directly target potential american voters. How closely tied to the Trump Campaign is Cambridge Analytica . People at the highest levels and those close to the president were involved in bringing the data company onboard. The president s soninlaw and the Digital Campaign direct for for president Trum Hop Is Kushtly leading the Reelection Campaign were both involved in the hiring. Cambridge analytica was run with the help of steve bannon. He was a Trump Campaign ceo who went on to become chief white house strategist and Christopher Wiley says Trump Campaign manager Corey Lewandowski was meeting with Cambridge Analytica even before trump announced his candidacy. So all of there is worth keeping in mind as you hear what whistleblower Christopher Wiley
says was happening at Cambridge Analytica. Watch this. Joining me is a former Research Director who blew the whistle on the firm. Thank you so much for joining us. Are you doing okay . Thanks for having me. Its been a long day. But im okay. You describe what you billed as psycho logical warfare. A psychological warfare weapon. Something you say steve bannon wanted. The ability to play with the psychology of an entire country. How did that work . Talk to us about that. Yeah. So steve came to scl because he believes in something called the breitbart doctrine. In order to change politics you first have to change culture because politics is down stream from culture. And in order to fight a culture war, you need an arsenal of Information Weapons. And who better to go to than a company like scl which is a military contractor based in the
uk to help set up those Information Weapons. And so what we worked on at scl and later at Cambridge Analytica is Data Harvesting Programs where we pull data from users of apps and all the Friend Networks and run that data through algorithms that can profile the psychological attributes so we would know what information we need to feed to Online Platforms o to exploitmental vulnerabilities that are algorithms showed they had. This goes beyond just sort of Programming Advertisement toward a certain group. Because you told us you can tell something about people based on things like whether they like Game Of Thrones or country music. What can you tell . Yeah. So, you know, i think its easiest to think about when you go on a date, for example. The questions that you ask on a date, right . You ask what music do you like . What kind of movies do you
watch . Do you do any sports . We ask those questions because they reveal little bits about ourselves, about our personalities and who we are. Cambridge analytica says none of the data was used in services to the Trump Campaign s that true, christopher . Well, let me be clear. I didnt work on the Trump Campaign. I cant speak to the Trump Campaign. But what i do know is that this data was, you know, we spent, you know, almost a Million Dollars on just harvesting this data alone. And it was this data that became the foundation of the company because this is what we used to build the algorithms that then were that actually became the basis of the company itself. So the question that i would have is what happens to the foundation of your company if you didnt indeed use it on the Trump Campaign. What were you using then . Because that was the basis of your company, right . Thats how the company started. Yeah. There was no data before that point. So we went from no data to harvesting all of this data off of facebook and then combining it with all this Consumer Data Sets at the behest of Steve Ba Bannon . Yeah. The company got funded in the spring of 2014 and he wanted to be able to have functioning program in time for the mid terms. So we had sort of a steve bannon and a Billionaire Breathing down our necks saying where is the data . Where is the algorithms and our Information Weapons . And thats where Alex Ander Kogan came along from cambridge who offered the use of this app that had special permissions granted by facebook to pull data not only from the app user but from all of the friends of that user and that meant that for one user were collecting 200, 300
friends data and that scaled really quickly. So what im trying to say is bannon came n he wanted this information. This is you said at the behest of a millionaire which is Robert Mercer as well. Right. Breathing down your throat. And so bannon goes to work for the Trump Campaign. Where does all this information go . It had to go somewhere. Thats the basis of your company. Well, yeah. I mean i dont how else did they build the algorithms then . What, you know, what did they use . Yeah. So the facebook data was integral. I want to get it straight. Integral to Cambridge Analytica, correct . Yes. It was the basis of the first of algorithms that the company built. Okay. Listen, according to the fec reports, trump came pain paid them nearly 6 million between july 2016 and december of 2016. What did the Trump Campaign think cambridge could offer . What were the goal, do you know . Well, very soon after i left i know that Alex Andander Nix W going to meet with lewandowski before trump announced hes with running and when they were still working for ted cruz. I dont know why they had that meeting. You have to ask Cambridge Analytica they were pitching. Why were they talking to donald trump before he even announced . How did they know he was run brg he even announced and what is it if it wasnt for this data and fit wasnt for the algorithms, what it is youre pitching and using . Those are good questions. More about Corey Lewandowski in a moment. You also say Cambridge Analytica was testing trumps slogans in 2014, terms that seemed to let me get the question out. Parted pack The Deep State and build that wall. Go ahead. So we were Testing Messages and all kinds of imagery that included, you know, images of walls, people scaling walls, you know, we tested draining the swamp. Testing ideas of The Deep State and the nsa watching you and the government is, you know, conspiring against you. And a lot of these narratives which at the time would have seemed, you know, crazy for a mainstream candidate to run on. Those were the things that we were finding that there were pockets of americans who this really appealed to. And steve bannon knew that. We were doing the research on it. And i was surprised when i saw, you know, the Trump Campaign and it started talking about, you know, Building Walls or draining the swamp. I remember in my head, wait, we tested this. So you have to ask the company and steve bannon where they got these narratives. I know that we were testing the
narratives well before trump even announced. So you said that there was a meeting between Corey Lewandowski before trump announced he was even running. Do you know anything about that . Well, i have it confirmed from, you know, Cambridge Analyticas lawyers in writing they had a meeting in early 2015 in the spring of 2015 before they announced. I know that which i have again documented in writing that they were talking about the algorithms that they could over and the data sets they could offer to Corey Lewandowski before donald trump even announced. And the bizarre thing about it is that they were already work fo working for ted cruz. What it is they were pitching . If it wasnt for these algorithms, you know, how in the span two of months did they actually build Something Different . Listen, there is also this undercover investigation from channel 4 news in the uk. Yeah. Cambridge analytica, the Senior Executives filmed, theyre saying they can entrap politicians with bribes and ukrainian sex workers. I want you to take a look at this. For example, youre saying youre using the girls to introduce to the local fellow and using girls for seduction, theyre not local girls . I dont think so. It was just an idea. Yes. Okay. It was on holiday. Theyre very beautiful ukrainian girls. They are very beautiful. Yes. So christopher, they say the report is edited and scripted to grossly plis represent the nature of the conversation thats took place. They say the executives entertained a series of ludicrous hypothetical scenarios and the ceo says when the
reporter posing as a prospective client turned the conversation to entrapment, the executives left with grave concerns and did not meet with him again. They do not condone or engage in entrapment, bribes or honey traps nor does it use untrue material for my purpose. So my question, i see you shaking your head there and you dont believe it. The question is what does this all say about the techniques that they use . Well, let me put it this way. Im probably the only gay guy in london that had a Membership Card to a strip club with women. Meaning . Meaning that this was a common technique that the company used. You know, we i would be at strip clubs all the time. I need you to be more specific. Youre the only gay guy in london with a membership to a strip club. What do you mean by that . Be more explicit. You know, one of the things that this company does is it will do whatever it takes to get a contract and if that means entertaining a client at a strip club with women stripping, they will do that. Do you think, christopher, that the Trump Campaign did anything Necessity Farro in a nefarious or were all the bad actions by cambridge. I didnt work on the Trump Campaign. There is a Perverse Company Culture inside of Cambridge Analytica and as the undercover shows, theyre willing to go to extreme lengths to service their clients. And theyll do anything that helps. Whether its legal or not. Ive got a question for you, christopher. I need to get in a break. Im speaking now. I want to tell the audience. Im speaking to whistleblower Christopher Wiley and im going to ask him if he is a potential witness or if hes been contacted by the Mueller Investigation. Dont go anywhere. Well be right back. Wake up early, o. Slap on some cologne im 85 and i wanna go home just got a job as a lifeguard in savannah im 85 and i wanna go home dropping sick beats, they call me dj nana
85 and i wanna go dont get mad. Get e trade, kiddo. Much more now from my interview with Christopher Wiley who is blowing the whistle on Cambridge Analytica, the data firm that worked for President Trumps president ial campaign. Have you been contacted by the mueller investigators . Not that i am aware of. Although, i havent been able to speak with my lawyer today. I can tell you did they contact you, if Robert Mueller or investigators contact you, will you cooperate . Im happy to chat, absolutely. This is why im coming forward. They said they asked Cambridge Analytica and you to agree to an audit. Have you agreed . An audit of what . What, my phone . Its not like i have a massive server farm. Im just a guy. Like what do they want to audit . And why i dont understand. Like what, they want to look at my phone. You know, they havent explained to me what that is. And, you know, i dont like
what is it they want to do . Yeah. I dont know. Im the person coming forward. I am the one telling people that this program has happened. So i dont understand why it is that they need to do this. We agreed last week with their lawyers that we would sit down and collaborate on this. Facebook is only doing something now because i am coming out and speaking out. You know, its all so for them to turn around and try to punish me, you know, i think, i just dont think its right. There is not how whistleblowers should be treated. I want to get to i understand that youre very upset and rightfully so. You feel like personally you have been violated in some way or youre being punished for in no reason. I want to ask you about professor kogan that harvested this data for Cambridge Analytica. Do you think any of the information he collected went back to russia, christopher . Well, what i do know is that
professor kogan who managed this Data Harvesting Scheme of 50 million americans was going back and forth between london and working at st. Petersburg and look at psychological profiling and indeed talking about the value of social data in political targeting. You know, meanwhile, as were talking to luke oil about the same program, to me my concern is that, you know, Cambridge Analytica, im not saying that it did it intentionally, but i am concerned that we made russia aware of the programs that we were working on and that might have sparked an idea that, you know, eventually led to some of the Disinformation Programs that weve seen in the interference that weve seen from russia in american elections. So for me, im concerned about
that. And if i played some kind of role in that, i feel like it is my duty to tell people about it. Which is why im talking to you. Listen, there is also this reported pitch that Cambridge Analytica made to luke oil. You mentioned luke oil, a russian oil producer. Back in 2014. How the presentation had little to do with Oil Consumers but had everything to do with election disruption techniques. That is according to documents you provided. Why would an oil company need to be briefed on that . I dont know. Ask Cambridge Analytica. Ask luke oil. I dont know. I was just told that i needed to give a briefing on, you know, the rippon project, the Data Lar Vesting project that we were doing. I no he that Alexander Nix said he sent the white paper
harvesting dat y harvesting data of 50 million americans and sent it to luke oil. I dont flow if youve seen the pitch that alexander put together for luke oil, it has nothing to do with oil. It has nothing to do with consumers and everything to do with Rumor Campaigns, attitudal inoculation, Sewing Distrust In Civic Institutions in nigeria, for example. And for me i just find it i dont understand why it is that Alexander Nix and Cambridge Analytica would want to pitch disinformation and Rumor Campaigns to luke oil as theyre also telling luke oil, by the way, we have all the massive data assets at our disposal for an oil company in russia. It doesnt make sense. Luke oil says that they never hired Cambridge Analytica but dont deny severing a presentation about the data firms capabilities. Theycy they say it was to promote the gas stations in turkey. Do you think thats true . If thats true, why was he talking why did he create a
pitch deck that was about Setting Up Disinformation and Rumor Campaigns . I mean why is it that he sends my white paper on the Data Harvesting capabilities of the company and what we were doing in america if it whats to do with turkey . I dont like how does that make any sense . When you spoke to the observer, you describe yourself as a Gay Canadian Veegian who somehow ended up creating this psychological warfare tool for steve bannon. Its the question i asked you before, do you regret what you created, what you did, christopher . Yeah. Absolutely. I regret it. And thats, you know, why im coming forward. Because part of i feel like, you know, in part i share a the love responsibility for setting up this company. This company that is grossly
unethical, that has, you know, operated not just in america but Around The World in ways that i think are, you know, morally egregious. I played a significant role in setting up that company. And i feel like it is my duty to tell people, you know, what this company does. But i cant express how much regret that i have for playing a role in setting it up. What do you think is going on whether you say you created that was the basis of the company you created, this information that this information youre talking about and disinformation, a way to disseminate disinformation and then the involvement of steve bannon who was connected with the Trump Campaign. There is russias involvement. Theres trumps Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski so on and so forth. Im not saying you know anything empirically, but what do you think is going on . I i i dont know. I know i know what i know. What i know is that this is a company that was talking with russia. I no he that this was a Company Using a professor going back and forth to Russia Working On Russian Programs as harvesting the data of over 50 million americans. I know this is a company that works in disinformation. I no he that this is a company that willingly admits to pitching prostitutes as was revealed by channel 4 tonight. I know this is a company that was meeting with donald Trumps Campaign team before donald trump even announced despite the fact that they deny that. And i think that when you look at everything, a lot of questions get raised. I have a lot of those questions myself. And what im trying to do is put out information and let you guys ask those questions and have this Company Answer them. Do you think the information
that you helped create influenced the 2016 election . I think it must have played some role. You know, i cant say for sure is this something that wanted for trump or a particular candidate. You know, its sort of impossible to guess. But i think absolutely it played a role. Thank you. Cheers. When we come back, the reporter who broke wileys story for the New York Times joins me along with our reporter. Im going to ask them if they can connect the dots here and explain what wileys information could tell us about the 2016 i election. Whats with the coffee maker . Sorry. We are not on speaking terms. Whats with the coffee maker . I had a very Minor Fender Bender tonight in an unreasonably narrow Fast Food Drive thru lane. But what a powerful life lesson. And dont worry i have everything handled. I already spoke to our allstate agent, and i know that we have Accident Forgiveness. Which is so smart on your guys part. Like fact that theyll just. Forgive you. Four weeks without the car. Okay, yup. Good night. With Accident Forgiveness your rates wont go up just because of an accident. Switching to allstate is worth it. Flrs wl understanding what may have happened in the 2016 election . Thats a big one. I mean, look, we know from this that there was a large harvesting of social media data. We know there are people out there trying to get profiles of american voters. What is going to move them . What is going to get them to stay home and not vote . You know, how that was deployed still remains a source of immense debate. But we do know there were a lot of kind of odd connections between Cambridge Analytica and some russian firms like luke oil. Dr. Kogan, the Cambridge University researcher who helped cambridge an lit yak, his connection is a little nebulous here. Im not entirely sure that we should say well he was connected to russia. But there are these unexplained moments in this. I think, you know sh thats something that the Mueller Investigation will be looking into im sure. So listen, heres what Cambridge Analytica says, there is no data from gsr was used by
Cambridge Analytica as part of the Service Provided to the donald trump president ial campaign. So wileys point is that if the Trump Campaign wasnt using the data, what happened to it . It was the foundation of what Cambridge Analytica did. Did the Trump Campaign end up with that facebook data through Cambridge Analytica, matthew . I think we have to understand what Cambridge Analytica sought to do with the data. They were trying to build models to get a sense of individual voters. So this was the first large data set they had in which they could build the models. Im sure they brought in other data sets along the way. We use this data, not that data misses the point. Youre taking large amounts of data and building this analytical model and tools that youre going to use. And so to say well we didnt use this data is a seems awfully disingenuous when that is the start of how you built your tools thats what he said. Overall, jewel yashgs i want to
get your assessment before i ask you more specific questions. Well, i thought overall he was credible. He is obviously very upset about the situation about his role in it. I think he may make he may connect dots more i say more tightly than maybe matt and i are comfortable with right now. We just simply dont know what the Trump Campaign knew and what information they got. But i think his point, you know, what was the Trump Campaign buying from Cambridge Analytica and why did such senior players in the Trump Campaign, kushner, m manafort want him to be part of it is a fair question to ask. There is separate from the question that, you know, having to do with fake news and facebook and whether there was a breach. But nonetheless, the question about trump and Cambridge Analytica, there are enough dots to suggest or at least open an
inquiry into what did the Trump Campaign get from the people that was harvested or stolen or whatever verb you want to use from facebook. Okay. I have more questions to ask. I need you to do it on the other side of the break. Stay with me. When we come back, why would a data company be caught on Hidden Camera discussing Trapping Politicians in honey pot schemes s this about data or dirty tricks. Ohhhh. Enough already we need to see a doctor. Ask your doctor about myrbetriq® mirabegron . It treats oab symptoms of urgency, frequency, and leakage. Its the first and only Oab Treatment in its class. Myrbetriq may cause serious allergic reactions. If you experience swelling of the face, lips, throat or tongue, or difficulty breathing. Stop Taking Myrbetriq and tell your doctor right away. Myrbetriq may increase blood pressure. Tell your doctor right away if you have trouble emptying your bladder or have a weak urine stream. Myrbetriq may affect or be affected by other medications. Before Taking Myrbetriq, tell your doctor if you have liver or kidney problems. Common side effects include increased blood pressure, common cold symptoms urinary tract infection, constipation, diarrhea, dizziness, and headache. Need some help managing your oab symptoms along the way . Ask your doctor if myrbetriq is right for you, and visit myrbetriq. Com to learn more. The entire Community Came whtogether as a whole. T,
it was such an overwhelming response to help others. No one thought that they were going to do this before it happened and everyone just did it. I think thats the way that human nature should be looked at. Ill stand by you. Ill stand by you. Wont let nobody hurt you. Ill stand by you. Juliette and matthew are body ba both back with me. Before this story came out, Cambridge Analytica had obtained had denied obtaining or using facebook data. Now we know that is not true and they have been caught. So the question is, what else arent they telling the truth about . Probably everything at this stage, given the tape we saw talking about ukrainian women enticing candidates to get information on them. At this stage ill be honest, i dont believe anyone. In terms of body Cambridge Analytica and then of course facebook. Facebook is i think trying to put this on Cambridge Analytica, about but as weve seen at least since 2016, facebook has two problems. One is the fake news problem which they knew about for some time. Now has this question about what did they know Cambridge Analytica had captured from not just the original couple hundred thousand, but the millions . Their failure to address that adequately and to show to regulators or whoever else what, in fact, had been done. Lets just say its harming them financially, its also harming them reputationally. I will say one final thing, i tweeted this out, im honored to be on with matt. I think whats important now that is we want to protect our democratic systems. Whether youre republican or democrat. And it seemed really hard at times to figure out what the heck was going on. You thought the whole process was manipulated in ways wed never be able to figure out what happened. I think what the reporters did in the New York Times and others in england was to at least show that the acquiescence of these companies to allow these platforms to be abused was actually a choice they made. If we can make the market have them have another choice, then maybe we will actually begin to defend our democratic processes. So thats my little ode to not fake news at the New York Times. The Washington Post now is reporting tonight that the Obama Campaign had a similar data Mining Operation in 2012 that allowed them to build a database of voters. Facebook changed its rules in 2015 after concerns about misuse. Do you see a difference between these stories . Absolutely. The obama data Mining Operation was basically, they had an app, you knew what you were signing up for with that. It was up front and very clear about what you were signing up for as a user. The Cambridge Analytica app was not. It said it was for academic use. You know, you were going to provide this data, it was going to scrape your friends, for academic use. And it wasnt. It was to put in the hands of a very conservative billionaire in steve bannon who wanted to reshape american culture, political culture. I think theres an important difference there. I think on facebooks end, what
Cambridge Analytica was doing apart from the deception, what they were doing, the data mining, was completely okay. It was completely legitimate. Facebook allowed that up through 20 train and then 2015. How many other data sets like this are out there . How many are better and deeper . Cambridge analytica did this quickly and relatively cheaply for under 1 million. There were other people doing this for a lot longer. And its certainly a question were asking, what else is out there . You know, facebook kind of friday night, right before our story was about to go online, had this post coming clean, Cambridge Analytica, trying to get to the bottom of this. Theyve known about this over two years and they quietly tried to make sure the data was deleted. We know as of last week it was not deleted. But they didnt inform users. They made no effort to go out and tell people, hey, weve had this issue. And i think, you know, that does beg the question, what else is out there . What else havent we been told about . Matthew, juliette, thank you very much. Attorneys for the president
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