hillary clinton president as the 42nd president, bill clinton, watches. here with me now, my political dream team, except for one. you'll have to figure out who that is. mark press tony, peter bienheart, bakari and peter sellers. who do you think it is except for one? >> mark presston. >> angela already throwing pins at people. so last week poring over melania trump's speech tonight. but then tonight, it was the first lady of the united states. she really rocked the house. look at this. >> i wake up every morning in a house that was built by slaves. and -- and i watch my daughters, two beautiful, intelligent, black, young women playing with their dogs on the white house lawn. and because of hillary clinton, my daughters and all our sons and daughters now take for granted that a woman can be president of the united states. so look -- [ applause ]. so don't let anyone ever tell you that this country isn't great. that somehow we need to make it great again. because this right now is the greatest country on earth. >> bakari, that's when i cried. think about it, a house built by slaves, watching her daughters. and she put you there. i don't care if you're a out of there. >> so it's going to be interesting -- >> and let me just -- and i know everybody wants to chime in had. she was able to think about donald trump in a way without even mentioning his name. she didn't have to say donald trump at all. but back in the country, we say a hit dog will holler. >> you throw a stick or a rock into a pack of dogs and it will holler. she was able to say everything that anybody thinks about donald trump without speaking his name. and i thought tonight she was amazing. tonight was an amazing night for democrats. the conversation changed and tonight, as a democrat, michelle obama made me proud. >> michelle obama took on donald trump as only the first lady could. the let's listen. >> ta is what barack and i think about every day as we try to guide and protect our girls through the challenges of this unusual life in the spotlight. how we urge them to ignore those who question their father's citizenship or faith. how we insist that the hateful language they hear tr public figures on tv does not represent the true spirit of this country. how we explain that when someone is cruel or acts like a bully, you don't stood to their level. no, our mott to is when they go low, we go high. with every word we utter, with every action we take, we know our kids are watching us. we, as parents, are their most important role models. and let me tell you, barack and i take that same approach to our job as president and first lady because we know that our words and actions matter, not just to our girls, but the children across this country. this november when we go to the polls, that is what we're deciding. not democrat or republican, not left or right. in this election or every election is about who will have the power to shape our children for the next four or eight years of their lives. >> so is there going to be a michelle obama bump coming out of this for hillary clinton? >> certainly, there's no question. when we talk about surrogates that campaign on behalf of hillary clinton over the next couple of months, we've been talking about michelle oh bam what, how will she deliver, what will she do? we certainly saw that tonight. the question is how much will she do it? let me say two quick things. one, as a father of two children, a 10 and 11-year-old, when she talked about the first time when those kids left and got in those big suvs and went away to school, i think every parent could feel that, with whether they were in the white house or in the suburbs or they were in the city. that is something we can all relate to. another thing about michelle obama, not only did she deliver that speech very well, very effectively, so much with boys, we don't hear michelle obama engage in politics very often which makes it very powerful what she did tonight. >> the thing is, she can draw the character contrast with donald trump so effectively because her character is unimpeachable. hillary clinton, it's tough for her because there are a lot of people who question hillary clinton's character. but nobody questions michelle obama's. >> i think first ladies actually have a built in advantage when they give a speech like this. because i think the public, by .large, has strong and favorable feelings about the first lady. but for michelle obama to beat those expectations, embrace those expectations and exceed that, i think it just goes to show you how strong of a surrogate she was. to mark's point, really good campaigns don't tell you about their dinners thes. they show you about them. they show you those differences. and i think that was what was most effective will michelle obama's speech tonight. she drew these subtle contrasts without ever having to name check donald trump. so i think she was a very effective -- i think she was a very effective surrogate tonight for hillary clinton. >> i want to check on the first lady for bernien sanders. this is what the president tweeted out to us. incredible speech by an incredible woman. couldn't be more proud of our country. i love you, michelle. and then check this out. this is the cover of "the daily news".. this is a home run for her, for hillary clinton, for women, for people of color. it hit on everything. >> i agree. and this is the thing that's kind of funny to mow.. michelle obama beginning in the 2008 election was known as everyone as the closer. and tonight, you saw why. that was the thing i tweeted. this is why she's the closer. she doesn't just close for barack hue san obama, she can close for everyone. about we talked yet about the hillary standard, it would have been wonderful for michelle obama to get up there tonight when we talked about that glass ceiling. that is the person who can deliver that message as a surrogate. as you pointed out, peter, she has an unimpeachable character. this black woman lawyer to look up to and respect is amazing. that is what a first lady is. i wish melania would try to copy this speech. >> that is the thing, though. bakari said that earlier and i disagree with that. i don't think voters compare melania trump with michelle obama. i think they're two distinct individuals and they're not going to compare them. >> and i don't think it's fair, by the way, for us to get after melania. she didn't write the speech even though she said she did. let's let michelle obama stands on her own pedestal. >> she did stand on her own pedestal. but i think to say they're not compared is untrue and we're not actually talking about what happens in the real world. the fact of the matter is, what we have right now is the first lady of the united states. what melania is trying to do is be a first lady of the united states. i think that's a very fair comparison. we can go back and roll the tape from last monday when we were having a different discussion. >> you're talking apples and oranges. >> i don't think it's an apples and oranges comparison. >> the first lady and somebody who is trying to be first lady. you have to compare them to a standard that exists. you have someone that can be presidential or not presidential and somebody who can be a first lady or not be a favorite lady. >> i'm trying to help you out. >> there's a fundamental difference. michelle oh bbama is a deep rea of american history. she told the story of america in very profound ways with that line, being the mother of two african-american girls in a house built by slaves. let's be honest, melania trump cannot tell the story of america in the way of michelle obama. she has not lived the story of america. she does not understand the story of america. and that's a profound difference more generally between these two parties. when the democrats talk about the story of america, they talk about slavery. they talk about the brutality of american history. republicans tell the story as basically we were beaver cleaver. everything was terrific and now things have gone downhill. that's a very big difference. >> that's a little bit of generalizing. melania trump is an immigrant to this cup. she married wealthy. >> there wasn't anything in her speech that -- >> but the thing i would disagree with you, i don't think voters look at those two comparatively and say one is better than the other. i think both of them gave very good speeches. i think both of them served as very able surrogates for the folks that they were looking to ro mote. and i do think that a lot of what michelle obama did today as it relates to the base of the issue, the base that we're having, i think she did better. >> but in all -- in all fairness, that is the way the story of america should be told. i mean, that is a deep -- i think that's the deep history of this country, african-americans are deep rooted in the hour of this country. and to ignore that -- >> but i don't think anybody is -- >> but it should be told that way. >> and i agree with you, don, wholeheartedly. but i don't want it to be seen through that lens alone. what michelle obama did was give a speech that the white woman who lives in burbank who is raising two children can understand. the black woman who say working at the motel who lives in baton rouge, louisiana. aen hispanic woman who is picking peaches or whatever she's doing because she's an illegal immigrant trying to survive in georgia is trying to understand. >> but here is the thing. every day -- listen, not that i'm comparing myself to the oh bam a mas. they are here and i'm here. but every day when i walk in that cnn center, i say hello to every single person, every cleaning lady, every security guard because i cannot believe that i'm here. that that black guy from baton rouge, louisiana, has this position. every day when i open my office i look out the window and i'm almost in tears. so for michelle obama sitting in the white house, a house that slaves built, i cannot even imagine. it would be overwhelming every single day for me.. but i don't think everyone understands that and i think you're right. i don't think melania trump understands it in that way. i don't think donald trump understands it in that way. >> but, don, to that point, in this same vain, you are are under an additional level of scrutiny because of the position. and so is michelle obama and she got that extra level of scrutiny when her husband was on the campaign trail. so let's say i don't think it's fair for us to go after melania. you get vetted, you get vetted. that's the live your husband chose. >> when we started this, i said i felt what she felt when she was -- when she talked about slavery or what have you, i cannot understand that necessarily in a bad way because i didn't feel it. i did understand that entire speech. i felt it. she delivered it like a parent. >> as a republican, i agree with you on that. i am trying on to agree. >> and the polls show that most donald trump spaurs supporters think america was a better country in the 1950s. that is why republicans -- their candidate calling it zero percent -- >> i wasn't even -- i don't want to go back there. >> and mark can understand this. we're going to talk bernie sanders, did he deliver, when we come back. don't go anywhere. live from the cnn grill here in philadelphia. 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>> i think he did amazing. ? let's listen to him. >> we need leadership which brings our people together and makes us stronger. no leadership which insults latinos and mexicans, insults muslims and is women, african-americans and veterans and seeks to the divide us up. by these measures, any objectionable observer will conclude that based on her ideas and her leadership, hillary clinton must become the in many next president of the united states. >> all right. so you said he did all right. everybody was watching. do you think he convinced his followers, his people, to go with hillary clinton sthp. >> i think he made the case. i don't think this is something that could be won over with one speech. but i think the senator laid the foundation and is continue to go lay the foundation for sanders supporters to come over to secretary clinton. this is about the issues. i'm so excited that the democrats excited off our convention and the republicans had a whole message last week. i didn't see it correlate. but today, we were talking about the economy. so we had speakers like first lady michelle obama, cory booker, senator warren and senator sanders. >> they were okay speeches. >> they were some good speeches. we talked about the economy. and i do think senator sanders laid out policy prescriptions and then connected why he thought secretary clintan -- those policy prescriptions. that what's oog he's going to have to keep going out there -- >> talking about climate change, wall street, she's listening, she's listening. do you think he made the case? the speech was good but i thought it took him a while to get there. >> about 18 minutes in web brought up secretary clinton. and the challenge i have is twofold. on one hand, given what he's been through over the last 72 hours, you can understand and thankfully, it was not a ted cruz speech. on the other hand, i think i've watched him on sunday, so after sunday's show. and even at the rally he did earlier today where he really made a hard pitch, i was surprised he didn't take that same fervor into this particular the speech. again, i do understand it. but i wish he would have brought her up maybe about the seven-minute mark. >> bakari. >> listen, the fact it took him 750 words is -- >> oh, now y'all are counting. >> no, it's true. i -- i don't think -- i'm not certain that that matters. his endorsement was full throated. if you go back to ted cruz's speech, everybody was waiting on whether it was word 750 or word number one, people were waiting on ted cruz to utter the phrase, i support donald trump. or just donald trump period. but i think tonight he gave a full throated endorsement. are all these supporters going to be on board? no. everybody is not a monolithic group that's going to run from one candidate to another. is it going to take work? yes. did it begin with the platform committee back months ago and months ago? you saw benjamin. this is not something that happened by happen stance. this was well oshg traited. >> i'm not sure if you're buying that. >> you asked earlier did he convince all these supporters to all of a sudden get on board with hillary. i was surprised that you said not yet. i would have been worried if you said absolutely. it was a contentious primary. there are strong passions here and it is going to be a longer process than any one speef. if i take myself out of this ask look at the clinical operative -- you can do that? >>. >> i can. but it was a decent first start. >> i think this is all wrong. we have been so distracted by the fight in this hall that we have not noticed the data. the pugh research center says 90% of sanders supporters today say they will vote for hillary clint clinton. anecdotally we can find people who are really upset. the polling is showing us even annoy that hillary clinton is getting 90% of the sanders supporters. >> and we're in the hall. you heard the boos. >> california. >> this, to me, was a very strong moment. i was like, yeah, somebody finally said it right here. sara silverman. >> i am proud to be a part of bernie's moments and a vital part of that movement is making absolutely sure that hillary clinton is our next president of the united states. >> that was pretty good, sara. >> hillary. >> unity. unity. >> hillary. hillary. >> the bernie -- can i just say to the burny or bust people, you're being ridiculous. i figured i'd add that. ask then he cut off my speech. now we have to stretch. oh, i have so much i want to say. >> well, okay, we -- you know -- >> booyah, all i wanted her to do was go hey now. >> who would have thought clint eastwood would have had like on like the old school statesman. >> the reason i thought it was important for her to say that is because all of those people were like ted cruzs. ted cruise is the only one at the convention going everybody but donald trump. the only people going if i know but hillary. she's like, you're being ridiculous. so i'm just saying -- >> but you also have to give those people time. so i want everybody to remember that, no, people joined the political revolution because of the issues. >> hang on, how much time do you need? >> bernie sanders had not endorsed secretary clinton for about two weeks ago. for all of these supporters, it's fresh for them. these are not your regular run-of-the-mill democratic supporters. >> i'm going to say -- hold on, hold on, i like that. >> they don't come together, give them their time. >> fine. you know what people say about we're comparing apples to apples, right? what did people say about ted cruz? you weren't going to get up on that stage and not support donald trump, come don't come. have class. >> bernie said what he needed to say weeks ago. in terms of the supporters, an overwhelming percent of them are already on board with secretary clinton. >> i just lieshg -- the mission. >> they are coming to go you. they went from the protest line to -- >> i haven't seen simone for a while. on honestly, i'm comparing -- >> i would have worried that that was too dismissive. if i was a hillary clinton supporter, i would have worried about it. >> how many days does it take for bernie sanders supporters to realize -- >> i think that is pretty simple. and people understand that. but, again, we can't scare people into fear mongering. that is why we're voting for somebody. we can vote for a candidate that supports addressing climb change, that supports -- >> hang on. >> but to the point, considering what happened with the dnc and the e-mails, people are really upset on bernie sanders' side and i think they have a right to be upset about that. >> i don't think anybody has said that the bernie sanders supporters or anyone doesn't have a right to be upset about the e-mails. even the dnc, they did with what i knew they were going to do. handle business. >> i have to go to a break. we'll be right back. steve. yeah? 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did she win people over? >> i think she was absolutely magnificent. i think everything she said about hillary was perfect, including the most important thing to me was when she said i trust my children with hillary clinton had. she went right for that vulnerability that the media and opponents have been trying to create and she just shut it down. and she shut it down about hillary's grace and her confidence. >> how she raised her child beautifully and perfectly. but also, she spoke about donald trump without mentioning him, saying that you have to be calm under pressure, right, especially if you have the nuclear code. but there was something in there for burny showersers saying she didn't get mad and go home. >> absolutely. it was perfectly crafted and perfectly delivered speech. >> if she was the closer, maybe should she have been here on the last night instead of the first night? >> well, it was perfect to have her, though, with bernie because bernie had to rise to that occasion. i think the clintons knew what they were doing when they put this ram together. >> how important is the coalition between the clintons and the obamas? >> it's very important. it's one thing that the republican parties with their autopsy, haven't realized the country is getting browner. women do matter in elections. when you offend brown people and women, it's hard to get to 270. but i think what you're seeing from the clinton camp is this embarrassment of riches. because you have everyone from someone like secretary of labor thomas perez to tim kaine, to burny sanders, michelle obama, barack obama. the list goes on and on and on. and donald trump can't get the anybody to stand on stage with him outside of his relatives. >> speaking of which, elizabeth warren. listen. >> what kind of a man roots for an economic crash that caused millions of people their jobs, their home, their life savings? what kind of a men cheats businesses, cheats investors, cheats workers? i'll tell you what kind of a man. a man who must never be president of the united states. last week, donald trump spoke for more than an hour on the biggest stage ever had. but other than talking about building a stupid wall, which will never get built, other than that wall, did you hear any actual ideas? did you hear even one solid ro posal for trump for increasing income or improving your kids' educati education? or creating even one single good paying job? look, let's face it. donald trump has no real plans for jobs or for college can kids or for seniors, no plans to make anything great for anyone except can rich guys like donald trump. >> okay. it's all good cop/bad cop. hillary clinton doesn't have to do that because she does it for her. >> yeah. >> why is she the perfect person to attack donald trump, though? >> i think to have michelle obama out there just being positive is as effective. but i thought the most effective line was what kind of man would do that? and when you go through what kind of man, what kind of man. and then the problem for the republicans is then they have to say what kind of party are we that we are now the party of this man? and i think this is really going to be the election where people begin to say, i'm going to put my country before my party. and the fact that he could not get the grandes of the republican party there, the romneys, the bushes, the kasichs, can come back with another day and maybe we will have a compassionat conservative party again. but we have a party of hate and fear right now with donald trump. >> everybody stick around. we have a lot more to talk about here from philadelphia. i promise you, kevin madden will get a chance to speak tonight. angela will talk, as well. bakari won't hog the stage any more.. we'll get bakari a beer. >> someone on twitter said, you guys are only talking about hillary clinton. well, we're at the democratic national convention. beyonce? 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