we can see you. it's a little too close i'm being told. >> how about that. >> that's terrific. so kathy, this is when it got serious for you because, you know, you were hiking and in the wrong park, it wasn't where you normally go. you go to the national park every year. because of the shutdown, suddenly it's getting dangerous for you, your severely sun burnt, severely dehydrated and this huge search, volunteers in getting you safe and airlifting you to safety. where you were, you felt, i believe you were on the verge of dying here? >> i did not think i was going to make it, and that's been a hard thing to say several times now, knowing that my kids are hearing that, they have heard it today already and hearing it again probably right now, but, you know, we do know desert hiking. it's something we enjoy doing. we spent many years doing it at big bend at the national park

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