about 15,700 to be in the green for the week. we are well in that territory right now with this 140-point gain. >> and why are stocks higher with another anemic jobs report? is the street discounting the number due to the bad weather we've had? is it betting janet yellen will taper the taper because the economy isn't where it needs to be? we'll get a team of top minds making sense of all this including former chair of the white house council of economic advise errs cris errs christina. >> and smash burger expanding across the ghuntcountry in a bi. why they have confidence to grow and create more jobs when others are seeing red flags. >> let's recap where we stand as we head into the final hour of trade. the dow up 140 points at 15,771. that leaves it in positive territory for the week. take a look at the nasdaq, up 60 points to 4117. and finally the s&p 500, pretty strong rally adding 20 points. it's now 1,793. >> so here we go. final hour of trading in what has been a very volatile week. joining us in today's "closing bell" exchange. eric, ken, paul, and, of course, our own rick santelli. patti edwards, you're a savvy trader. what is the message of the markets today? why is it able to mount a rally on such seemingly anemic jobs numbers today? what's it telling us? >> you know, i think what people are finally coming down to is the fact that the market actually trades on earnings, and earnings have not been that bad. they have not been phenomenal and we have had some serious missteps, but earnings in general have been pretty good. >> we're all talking about jobs and the market is thinking about earnings today? >> you know, the jobs actually do make a difference, but if you look at the underlying numbers in there, manufacturing was up twice what was expected, maybe even a little more than that. and the disappointments were not in areas that you would have expected to see them. so you would have expected that retail would be weak. you would expect that the government would be weak. you would expect that construction would be strong. we saw all that. >> you know, ken, a lot of people now looking at the action yesterday surprised that we're still holding up okay today, that it wasn't more of a high bar disappointment kind of story. what do you think is really going on here? >> i think the market kind of likes the numbers in a weird way that maybe tapering gets pushed off. i recall being on this set the second tradesing ding day of th and i remember how giddy investors were and how quickly it seemed. the sentiment changed from euphoria to worry. >> to be clear. you're saying the positive reaction is sort of a bad news phenomena, that it's weak and the fed will have to do more. that's a pretty strong view. >> at this point they're kind of discounting a lot going forward. in the end i agree with the other guests that earnings will eke out and that's where people should focus. >> is the economy good enough for not good enough? >> it's right back to that kind of not too hot, not too cold, that kind of goldilocks where we're running around that 2.5% gdp. maybe with taper it will slow down a tad. it's in that goldilocks environment. >> eric, the russell 2000 was near the 10% correction level earlier this week. now we get this rally. is the correction over? is this it for now do you think? >> well, i think you have to understand the market coming into this year was a lot more optimistic about the economic environment. i think you'll see a lot of volatility based on economic data that comes in and disappoints. i don't know if the correction is over, but i suspect that the market tendency is up because of the strong economy that we're seeing in the u.s. none of the economic data we have seen globally is pushing us off of a 3% growth rate in the u.s., 3.5% globally. >> does that mean the correction has run its course. >> no way. i think we'll have a lot more volatility. from a global perspective some countries are actually tapering like the u.s. and brazil, and then you've got japan that's actually loosening. you have got that and then you've got earnings. and earnings actually have been really good to patti's point, but historically profit margins are 70% higher than they've ever been before. that's not really sustainable over the long term. so i think we're going to see a little bit of a churn over the rest of the course of the first half. but that doesn't mean that we can't come out very well from a corporate perspective. but good news is bad news and bad news is good news, so it's really -- you got to kind of flip it on its head. >> dani, i am going to pick on you because you're on camera right now. if earnings are that good, then why aren't corporations doing more hiring? >> for a couple reasons. what's their incentive. the government and legislation has not been there to push it to corporations to invecentivize tm to hire. there's a lot of reasons why corporations have become more efficient and are holding onto that cash and not hiring like they used to. >> want to get paul into this conversation as well. paul, so what is the verdict from markets today? are we in a bad news is good news period or not? because, frankly, it seems like the benefit of the doubt here is what investors are giving this jobs report, giving this market, saying, you know what? maybe it's good enough and not necessarily expecting anything more from the fed. what do you think? >> i think you have to make a distinction. the economy is doing well. corporate fundamentals are actually doing well but we have a jobless recovery, and you have to look at three trends. the first trend in joblessness is that as the unemployment rate has gone down over the last six months as much because of labor participation, people dropping out of the market, as we are growing jobs. and that's going to continue because we have 3% of the population retiring as baby boomers and we only have 1% population growth. the second thing is that we basically have higher productivity. according to thomson reuters, we have 9.2% earnings growth for the fourth quarter that beats most analysts' estimates. so companies are doing really well with fewer workers. and the third trend is we have a government that is putting up barriers to job creation and not giving incentives for job creation. so i think we're going to see a continued slow jobless recovery while at the same time the underlying economy is going to do well -- >> so what do you do as an investor, paul? where do you put your money then? >> i put my money in the stock market. i think we still got a little bit more to go on our correction, but i think this correction was needed and long overdo, and i think there are some real opportunities out there right now. >> meanwhile, the dow is up 154 at the high. rick santelli, have we set it up for you on this one. is the treasury market the only investment class that actually paid attention to that jobs report this morning? >> i think so, but i think our panelists gave us a lot of clues as to the problem. the first, the last gentleman said a jobless recovery. he's right. and then dani hughes said, well, the government doesn't make it easy to hire, but yet they're both bullish stocks. here is the problem is that i can understand a jobless recovery and i can understand a globalization process, but we don't need to hire people and still have some companies doing better. but in the end the government is the issue. the government can't deal with all this joblessness and their corrective measures will end up eating through all the dynamics that make it possible to be bullish the stock market under that scenario. the second issue is we have an eye issue, it's called blinking. the supreme court in germany blinked today, the chinese blinked, and many think the fed is going to blink. that empowers them to continue to think that the punch bowl will not only stay but it might refill. one last thing that doesn't really have anything to do with it but it's important, if we look what happened to moody's today, two notches lower on puerto rico. following s&p on the 4th, one notch, both in junk territory. if you look at the etf for munis, it hardly noticed. if you look at a one-year chart, it's hardly noticed, but i think this is going to be an issue to pay attention to, and especially for the distressed security guys that are going to be jumping into this to see if they can find some straw to turn into gold. >> crazy. >> they might be, packtti, but what should investors do about the puerto rico issue? >> i think if you've been in puerto rico you have not been paying attention to the headlines. puerto rico is unto itself. there are still some we think fantastic bargains in moounicip bonds but know the municipalities had you're buying. don't just buy the etf. you want to own the individual bonds. >> every following indicator is like the january barometer, the super bowl indicator, the afc team won. i'm going to go with the groundhog. he didn't see its shadow, six more weeks of a correction. >> groundhog didn't see his shadow -- >> because he were dropped. >> because he couldn't get out of his hole. there was too much snow on the ground. thank you. have a great weekend. everybody watch the olympics. how are you, partner. what a day this has been, huh? >> bill, i miss you. you got to get down here. >> i will get back there. we've got 50 minutes left in the trading session and look at this. if you just tuned in, you missed the jobs report this morning, and the market is, too. it's up 154 points right now. >> good point. investors are shrugging off a disappointing payrolls figure anyhow. when will bad economic news go back to being bad news for the market? what is going on here? we'll talk about that coming up. >> also, we'll look at whether the market is betting two straight months of weak jobs data will force the fed to taper the taper or blink as rick was suggesting or if the wave of snowstorms across the country is the culprit in making the labor market look worse than it really is. and we want to know how much you think the weather has affected the jobs report. that's your assignment today. tweet us with your thoughts coming up. >> yes. @cnbcclosingbell, that's how it reach us. and next we'll hear from a company that's hiring a bunch of workers. the ceo of smash burger tells us about what's behind his company's rapid expansion. make it happen with fidelity active trader pro. it's one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. call or click to open your fidelity account today. well, if our next guest is concerned about the economy, he's got a funny way of showing it. the fast casual burger joint sm smash burger is planning to open more locations this year. wi >> with us now is the ceo, scott crane. >> thanks for having me. >> can you explain at a time when people say there's no middle class, no middle market in this country, who is your customer and why do they keep coming to smashburger, paying up for your products when they're potentially under so much pressure? >> sure. i think the fast casual segment as a whole is growing as part of the economy. certainly in the restaurant industry. you see nar ra, we're the young, better burger category. >> where do you stand on pay? there's a movement in the ku country and mcdonald's is taking a lot of heat. some folks who are making $8 plus an hour at mcdonald's want $15 an hour and mcdonald's is blanching at that kind of number. where do you stand? should you be paying a living wage? >> i'll let the government decide what the living wage should be. but at smashburger we index ourselves against our competitors and we pay well above minimum wage. >> one of the issues this week that's been getting a lot of attention is how much the cost of obamacare is affecting companies. i understand you guys have a good bit of a portion of what you do as a franchise model. talk us through 2014. what kind of increases are you facing if increases at all, and do you have to do things to offset that cost elsewhere? >> 2014 very minimal, if any, cost increases. we are looking at obviously every business should, what the effects are ongoing and certainly in the next -- the few outyears. but we look at whether it's the offerings we have, we're still hiring the right number of employees at every restaurant, and then what can we do with our vendors. the one thing we have an advantage over a lot of companies right now is our growth rate. so each year we get bigger and bigger economies of scale as we're adding 70 to 80 restaurants this year. that will certainly help. >> costs are going up. we're throwing all these problems at you. it's nothing new to you i'm sure. raw material costs are going up. commodities are going up. do you have to pass it on to the customer? how do you deal with that right now ? >> we've kept the same base burger price for seven years. we're seeing such buying power increase exponentially over the years. >> you're able to buy at a lower cost because of the amount you're buying right now. >> absolutely correct. >> who is your typical customer? >> very broad. you know, we see the age demography from the teenagers all the way to retired age. we see -- we have about 50% men and women. lots and lots of children with -- children with their families. so it's really a broad segment. burgers being $100 billion category, we're only $250 million of that. we've got a whole lot of white space. we have a huge opportunity in the next several years to get to 500-plus. >> i was just going to say as you do that, i'm curious, whether the nature of a job as it's changing while you're expanding, do you think of hiring in terms of number of employees or do you think of hiring in terms of how do we cover this number of hours and, you know, those might be a lot of part-time positions? >> sure. so both. we find the right employee and if that employee is a part-time employee, we have to find more part-time employees. we like fook for the right peop the right positions. we have a great story to tell our employees once we get on board that we're adding 2500 jobs in '14, 200 to 500 management jobs and that's a great story to tell and a great development path for our team. >> we've spent all this time, we haven't even had you sell your burger yet. why smashburger. there are those out west who want to go to in and out burgers, the five guys are doing so hot. why smashburger. >> fat, never frozen, smash cooked to order. artisan buns. five cheeses. we serve chicken and salad, hand spun haagen-dazs shakes. casual dining in a quicker atmosphere. we serve beer and wine in most locations. the consumers are really telling the industry as a whole midteen digit growth last year in the fast casual segment. they're talking with their wallets. >> we're sorry about the super bowl. >> yeah, thanks. that was painful. >> at least you can tell a better story for denver right now. >> yes. >> thank you very much. good to see you this afternoon. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> there's one company that is hiring. and, bill, we have 40 minutes to go to the close with the dow staging 145-point rally building on the gains, about 180 points, that we saw yesterday. >> wiping out the losses from monday's 300-point drubbing. that is just incredible over the last five days. will the real economy please stand up? 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>> i think that's right. and i think there is a little bit of weather in this report and there's a little bit of weakness in this report. and i think both of those things are true. you did have strong growth in the third and fourth quarters of last year. that seems to be pretty clear, and it's not unusual to have a little bit of a fall off in that as you work off high inventories. on the other hand, there are a couple areas where you might see some -- you might be seeing some weather effects. for example, maybe in some of the education workers, some of the furniture retail workers, and also there's a big drop in sporting goods and hobby stores, almost 22,000 down in that retail category. so perhaps that was a little weather related. unfortunately, bill, the answer is it this or is it that, i have to offer a third answer, it was both. >> is it this or is it that, the answer is yes. >> it's interesting to look at the report which saw the unemployment rate dropping for the quote, unquote, right reason. there was an increase in the labor force and yet it still came down. does this give you more confidence in the health of the labor market? >> we've been getting strange numbers. we had a big falloff last month. what happens with the numbers, the household survey is very erratic. i think it's noise, in other words, i did want to correct that earlier comment about full employment for people with a college degree. i'm old enough to remember before the recession it was 1.8% unemployment. so they still are seeing a big percentage increase in their own unemployment. still much better off than people without a college degree but that's far from full employment. >> wait, are you saying that for people with a college degree, 3%, 3.5% is not full employment? >> that's right. if you look back to before the recession or if you want to go back as far as the late '90s, we were down around 1.6%, 1.7%. they have always had much lower unemployment rates. we had 4% overall unemployment as a year round average in 2000. >> you know, kelly, there was a paper presented in philly if i can get an economic wonk hat on -- >> bring it on. >> there's been a decline in innovation which means there hasn't been as much need for brains -- >> how do you know there's been a decline in innovation? >> because there's been a huge decline in the spending on innovation. there are some wow products out there, but overall the innovation pace is pretty stagnant and the result of that is college degree people are taking jobs that used to be held by people without college degrees and that's pushed them out of the workforce. it's a movement down. >> that's interesting. >> i have had three people tell me just today, a business owner, an economist, and a market trader, all of them said essentially the same thing. that this is the kind of job growth we need to get used to. this is the new normal, jeff. >> we shouldn't get used to it. it's an unacceptable rate of job growth. i would say this is bad policy. we need something to boost the economy. it could be stimulus if that's out of style which could be on the net export side. we have to boost the economy. the idea we've had bad economic policy and say, okay, nothing we can do about that, that shouldn't be acceptable. >> jeff? >> i think it really depends on the industry you're in. i do think the new normal is it's been gradual unemployment rebound which who knows, maybe it's better than niethese gigan swings we're used to. i use a quick example. apple has 45,000 employees. 30,000 of them are in retail. they got tanked today because of online and the cold. that leaves 15,000. fox con in china, 3 million. 300,000 just make the iphone 5s. if you're one of the 300,000 in that world, sales, marketing, communications, and all the industry that is support that, construction, energy, even financial services and health care despite some of the regulations, and by the way, recruiting firms and professional services firms, had ep them with those challenges. i think it really depends on what section of the economy you're speaking to and that really dictates it. >> it kind of gets back to your point which is to this point because there hasn't been pretty much anything happening with fiscal policy or there's been austerity or whatever for the last couple years, it's been up to the blunt instrument of monetary policy. are we at a point now where that needs to be shifted into something more targeted towards the industries or the class of people who are suffering most? >> i have an answer for that. i think you get to a point where, you know, monetary policy is helpful but should definitely not be the main tool, especially when you talk about the long-term unemployed who have a real proclivity for dropping out of the workforce and especially now that we've gotten rid of the unemployment benefits which makes them now more likely to drop out of the workforce. these are serious fiscal policy issues i'm betting if you went and told the fed we're going to do something to help the long-term unemployed, they'd stand up and say thank you for taking this job away because we've been the only ones concentrating on it. >> that's exactly right. that's what we need. unfortunately, in washington, it's not likely we'll get it. that is what we need. i'd love to see something on the trade side which means getting the dollar down to boost net exports. we have a very bad number this week, two days ago, but that's really what we have to look to to get back to -- >> if you look at the japanese yen which has been hammered and that hasn't made that much of a difference in terms of export volumes over the past 5, 10, 15 years. >> i can't speak that well for japan's economy. i think in general you will find that, the relationship, but i certainly could speak for the u.s. economy. if you look at our nonoil trade deficit against the value of the dollar lag two years you will find a solid relationship you can beat it up anyway you want. >> gentlemen, got to go at this point. thank you all for your insights today. appreciate it very much. >> appreciate it. >> see you. 30 minutes to go. the dow hanging on to some gains here i think. >> yes, it is. up 150 points. >> thank you. i'm not down there. >> and the s&p up 22. the nasdaq adding 64 at this hour. pretty broad based rally. stocks may be higher today, but the dow is still down 5% so far this year. so are individual investors finding buying opportunities after this pull back? 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>> no, then it's just a liar or something. >> exactly. >> joining us with their take, david rosenberg and jim bianco. also joining us, cnbc's very own dominic chu. great to see all of you. david, you have been notably more bullish on the u.s. economy of late. do you change your mind after a couple weak job reports? >> the answer, kelly, is no. the other question is which report do you want to pay attention to? because there are actually two reports that came out today. there was the nonfarm payroll report report, the plus 113,000, but also the household survey which for the second month in a row was a blowout number. that was up 638,000. although the f-- >> jim, do you agree? we had that horrible number in december. we thought the january number is going to help clear things up for us and it just clouded the picture. if you're just looking at the payroll number. >> yeah, the payroll number was not good. on top of that, if you look at the report, they also have this thing called persons not working because of bad weather. 262,000. and the average for all of january is 415,000. that was below average right now. so you sum it up and the payroll number is not a good number. i'll disagree with david a little bit in that the household number was good but that diverges all the time from the payroll number. i think this is more about the market maybe hoping that the fed might reconsider on its taper and why not? the fed had restarted after qe1, restarted after qe2. they're in the business of caving when it comes to tapering. the market is about to ask the fed for more. >> dom, this slight disagreement between the two of them, whether it's a strong number or not, depending which part of the report you're talking about, seems to be exactly what the market is struggling with today. >> but you can say struggle because, yes, there is that kind of debate about whether or not the economic fundamentals justify the market, but the market has been moving higher. it's positive on the week. it's gotten back everything it lost on that steep drop for the dow and s&p on monday. john over at marine equity says the bias is to the upside. could you have had a very, very big downside shock if investors chose to follow through with it. they chose not to. the bulls came right back in. it's a market cliche but the jur jury, the market, says it believes the market should still be headed higher. >> david, how do you explain the bond market, the treasury market's response? treasuries moved higher, so it brought the yields down today which would suggest that they saw weakness in the jobs report. >> okay. so in like three seconds after the numbers are out, treasury yields rally six, seven basis points and then very quickly they gave up that rally. so we're down a couple basis points on the day but reality is from the lowest yield activity on the day, we're actually up from there. and, you know,bianco and i are good friends and i respect what he has to say about the number -- >> i hear a however. >> there is a however. the however is basically this, even when you go into the nonfarm payroll number, the goods producing segment, the meat and potatoes, was up 76,000. doesn't sound like a lot. that's the goods producing part of the economy. that was the best goods produ producing number we've had in seven years. the real shortfall in the nonfarm payroll number was in services and the service number was completely out of line with what we saw with the ism nonmanufacturi nonmanufacturing component. when you look at what drives what, the service producing part of the economy follows the goods producers. the services service the goods. the goods don't goods the services. so i think the markets are realizing that the service sector is going to follow goods producing. look at the data. you will find when you look at the meat and potatoes part of that nonfarm payroll number, it was not that bad at all. >> how do you answer your good friend there, jim? >> david, come on now. we know if we look at a monthly report, we could find good things and we could find bad things. what we have now is we have a huge stock market rally. we have a bond market rally. we have a gold rally, and we don't have the dollar doing much of anything. that's not consistent with a risk on environment that, oh, the economy is getting better, let's reverse what we've done over the last five weeks. we have the stock market reversing. we don't have the rest of the markets reversing. so it is an inconclusive report. it is up in the air right now. it's kind of a rorschach test. everyone can see into it what they want for the moment and the stock market sees bullishness but the bond market does not. >> jim, if i could weigh in, the market did not start to go down in mid-january because of the fed. the taper was in the market towards the last several weeks of 2013. this was really mostly about the nervousness over emerging markets, maybe some nervousness over the vers aacity of the u.s economy. i know you can focus on the nonfarm payroll number but it's the whole report. it's not just one report, it's two reports, and it's not conclusive that the labor market is really losing steam here. there's lots of good news beneath the surface of that 113 headline nonfarm number. >> i will say, guys, newly minted fed chairman janet yellen has one more big jobs report left before she has that first big rate decision come march. so, i mean -- there's another data point. >> she testifies before congress next week. i'm sure somebody will ask her about it. >> i want an encore. thanks very much. it's an important debate. >> gets down to the heart of it right there. we're 15 minutes away from the close. the dow industrials, everybody is rallying today. the industrial average up 163 points right now. >> well, she used to be front and center for the white house on past job reports. coming up, we'll get christina romer's take on today's unemployment figures and what it means for the economy. don't go anywhere. re consolidates the ratings of up to 10 independent research providers into a single score that's weighted based on how accurate they've been in the past. i'm howard spielberg of fidelity investments. the equity summary score is one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. call or click to open your fidelity account today. afghanistan, in 2009. orbiting the moon in 1971. 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>> bill, i think, and kelly, you had a snap back in the japanese stock market. this tuesday it fell 4%. people got very nervous, very upset. you have had a very nice calming down in china and in the emerging markets, okay? turkey, all of these have had a little bit of a bounce. that was one of the things driving the nervousness -- >> we were just oversold. we were badly oversold -- >> way oversold. this has been a phenomenal reaction to what could have been inpterpreted as bad news. you can parse it whichever way you wish. however, you want to wash two things. they both start with the letter "y," yellen and yen, okay? and the yen is basically an indicator of japan's continued attempts to cheapen their currency. can they succeed in that? the consensus is for the inflation, bill and kelly, to be 2% over there this year. the last few years it's been negative 0.1%. it's been in deflation, if they can achieve that, that's a major vactory. you want to watch that. also, the banks. the banks have been outperforming the market. the market is off 3%, 4% now. the banks are only off a couple percent. in both europe and the united states. keep your eye on yellen, the yen, the banks, profits. profits have been coming through pretty good. the revenues not so good. third quarter was up 2.9%. fourth quarter thus far is up only 0.8%. so you want to watch how the banks do. but our bear market checklist is the economy slowing? no. is the fed tightening? no. are valuations stretched? no. is investor euphoria present? are banks underperforming? they're outperforming. and finally are the spreads widening? no, they're hanging in there. >> if people are finally buying this dip, art cashin just said we have something like $1 billion of buy orders on the close. >> holy cow. >> there's money potentially coming into the market. is the correction over? >> you want to be careful. this could be -- we've had a series of mild colds. nobody has caught the flu. you got to go all the way back to the fall of 2011, which was just after the standard & poor's lowered the debt rating of the united states from aaa to aa plus, and the market fell about 10% from peak to trough in that sell-off. we have not had a correction that deep. >> and we still haven't. the dow was down 7% whenever that was. >> this has been a mild correction. could we get a more serious correction? of course we could. but things seem to have calmed down. finally, europe. the bond yields of greece are now below 8%. they're 7.75%. spain and italy are 3.75%, and even the japanese ten-year bond yield is at 0.62%. i would like to see that one actually a little higher indicating their economy and the inflation is picking up there. so this is basically a period of calm, calm. a bird would sit on the waters to lay its eggs during the six to ten days and these are halcyon days. >> will that be on the midterm, professor? 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>> i'll tell you, i think everyone was anticipating the number and waiting for it to decide what to do and at the end of the day i don't think it meant all that much. i think this market reaction we saw on the sell-off the last week or so and then that buyback the last few days have been very technical. i think that's what really has been driving this market. >> stand by, warren. i have breaking news from the treasury department. eamon javers has that. >> we're seeing a variety of reports that the treasury secretary has sent some communication to capitol hill saying the debt ceiling -- the deadline for that was today but now they're extending into these emergency measures and the question is how long can that last? reports are now that the treasury secretary is saying those measures can last to february 27th. not a whole lot of time here. that's largely because the treasury department doesn't have access to the kind of revenue because they're paying out tax refunds at this time of year. so when the debt ceiling falls at this time of year, they've got a little less running room than they traditionally have had in the past with the so-called extraordinary measures. >> thank you. warren myers, that's the kind of news -- that debt ceiling issue again has spooked the market in the past. it's not this time. what's going on there? >> i think after the way the republicans finally handled things last time, i think people are finally realizing that partisan politics is not going to be the running course in d.c. and people are going to want to get this thing done, and i think the anticipation and expectation is both sides will come together and resolve this before it gets pushed out too far. >> is this market telling us that the correction is over for now again? >> i believe if you look at it technically, i think it's telling you that. everything i'm looking at and reading tells me we might be on the precipice of a huge push up, maybe an overextension on the upside and if that happens, that's when you really have to watch out because that might lead into that big correction. >> so we could be getting close to a blowoff at some point you're talking about. >> yeah, we very well could be. the way the market acted this week when we sold off, hit the technical levels and had a strong bounce is a strong indication we might pop up to some new highs and that's when you have to be careful. >> something to think about. warren, thanks. have a good weekend. >> thank you. >> what a week we're closing out with. art cashin mentioning we had $1 billion to buy. a very strong market on the close. what to make of it? let's do that now. the second hour of "the closing bell" with kelly evans and company. have a good weekend, kelly. i'll see you monday. >> thank you, bill. and welcome to the second hour of "the closing bell" on this friday afternoon as we close out a week that started with a massive sell-off and now has a nice rally despite a weak payrolls report this morning. yes, monday's sell-off looking like ancient history following the biggest two-day gain on wall street since october. that's what we're just finishing up here. the dow adding 161 points after adding points yesterday. the s&p 500 up 23. so we've got rallies of better than 1% again across all three. let's get straight to it with today's panel. joining me now to talk about the big rally, the debt ceiling, our very own morgan brennan and robert frank, private investor evan newmark and from "fast money" is tim seymour. welcome to all of you. and, look, evan, we talked -- to your credit, from the beginning -- >> you're giving me some kelly. you did not love the market. >> did not. >> do you like it better here? >> not really. basically since we were on a couple weeks ago, not much has happened, although the world did not end with the turkish lira like you claimed it would. >> i did not -- it's important people understand the risks. >> i still see the market basically reacting to no news as far as i can tell, the economy is still growing pretty slowly. i don't see why the market should be up so big today, but maybe the market knows something i don't. >> car difficudiffcardiff, i th encouraged by the payroll report and we are getting maybe a rally in response to that. >> it's possible. i think it was a confusing report but if anything it might have given at least some relief that the december jobs report was something of a fluke. that being said, it's tough to know what to make of it. household and establishment surveys going in opposite directions again. if you put it in context with all the other economic indicators, we came into the year with a lot of enthusiasm. the conditions were in place for better growth. since then we've had disappointing vehicle sales, durable sales, construction spending, trade, ism. it takes a long time to discern bigger swings in economic momentum. i don't think this report helped that much. that said, nobody really expected it to. so in that sense i guess it did meet expectations. >> i'm a little surprised people are willing to be so long this market going into janet yellen's first testimony as fed chair next week. perhaps guessing if anything she's more likely to be reassuring about the fed's involvement as opposed to hawkish. >> yeah. and i am so the flashbacks today to last year when we had some relatively weak news in the job market being good for the stock market so we were in that kind of bad news is good news territory again where i just start to wonder is the fed still really driving this market? and also if that was the only correction we're going to get, which was the end of last week, beginning of this week, a correction is a terrible thing to waste. and we might need more to really get it paus past it. we haven't really weaned ourselves off the fed. yellen will be critical. >> tim, by the way, we're talking about a 7% i think pink to trough drop in markets. was that it? was that the bottom? has the correction run its course and how relevant is the fed here and the turkish lira by the way? >> i think it's all relevant when you look at some technical factors. emerging market currencies had blowoff tops. you saw a lot of things settle back in. i think the fed is very relevant. as robert talked about, i'm disappointed dbad news isn't ba news for the stock market. i think this was very healthy. look at the shake out in a lot of risk flows and look at the fund flows. when i look at a lot of things that i think people are looking at on this program, look at the bounce at nike at 70. look at procter & gamble. i got to a place where extreme positioning was really what the market was reacting to. today's labor report not great, but, again, who said that this data wasn't going to be choppy? >> yeah, and morgan, there's plenty we can read into it. can't ignore that earnings season is also happening at the same time. the earnings side of things look okay. if you look at the thomson reuters figures, we're talking about the best quarter in some time. yeah, the revenue figure isn't great, but, you know, i guess it goes almost back to the jobs report. you can make of it what you will, but it certainly hasn't derailed the market today. >> that's right. jobs report wasn't as good as analysts were hoping for, but it also wasn't nearly as bad as it was in december. december was only revised up 1,000. that's not great. going back to the household survey, the fact we saw labor participation increase even though ever so slightly and that unemployment rate decrease, i think that's extremely promising. the other thing i think that's extremely promising is the fact that we saw a slight decrease in the number of long-term unemployed. i think those are both very hopeful numbers in a very murky report. >> i don't see -- has there been any economic data over the last few weeks, kelly, that suggests some robust 3.5% gdp growth per annum recovery? >> there was a lot in the months leading into the year, so you can't just take a single month -- >> i'm not but i'm -- >> i think if you were to say have we learned anything in the last couple weeks, i think we started out the year thinking it's morning in america again and we came off the strongest two-quarter period in the recovery and then wait a minute, maybe it's not. we've worked through it to a maybe it is again? is that a fair characterization? >> you don't hear from anybody that things are going really well anywhere. >> right. >> so it's a lot of more of the same. >> isn't that good for the stock market? >> i think it might be good for the stock market, but to me and why i'm a little cautious is, you know what? so twitter lost 20% day, but it still has a $24 billion market cap. people are still paying up for growth. >> but the market was trading in the fourth quarter as if it would be a 3.5% or better year this year and we've now realized it's probably going to be a 3% year. and i think that's the adjustment that everyone has made. certainly going to be better than last year, but 3% as opp e opposed to 3.5%. >> i think it's also still really early to take a look because let's not forget, we had two snowstorms here on the east coast alone this week. i was following weather and its economic impacts all week in places like iowa and i think it's really putting a crimp into the data we are getting out. that's another thing that investors are not necessarily making big jumps because they're waiting to see how much of this is weather. >> a little trickier to tell. tim talk to us about the market action in the last couple days. massive outflows from emerging markets. do you think people are deciding that maybe the u.s. does look like a better place to invest when the rest of the world looks a little more uncertain? >> i think people are reacting stock by stock, too. look at the earnings numbers and so people want to say, again, i agree that the market in the fourth quarter was trading and things might have been better, but it was stock by stock, sector by sector. a lot of high flying tech names have been destroyed also. it's been on both sides. for every expedia there's a twitter. people are reacting stock by stock. that's very healthy because the positioning was extreme. >> tim -- >> in the last couple days i think some normalcy has come back into the sensationalism that was in people's attitude. >> you said these tech stocks have been destroyed. linkedin was down 5%? is that getting destroyed? >> i'm talking about amazon -- what i'm saying is people are judging stock by stock. i would say on the whole they've all behaved quite while. the chinese internet stocks have come back but you can't tell me people didn't punish amazon with that valuation. they didn't punish twitter with that valuation. there's some other stocks that are more expensive. a pandora, yelp, these are names people rewarded. >> i think google surpassed exxon to be the second most valuable company. google is a different story, a more mature company with levers. so your argument so long as some of these tech names are trading on incredibly high priced pes -- >> it just looks expensive. you don't get big sell-offs of either individual stocks or the market overall on the basis purely of valuation but it's hard for me to look and go there's been a correction because linkedin is down 6% or because twitter is down -- it's still over -- >> your problem is you can't figure out who is buying today, right? is that your issue? >> i want to know who is buying twitter at 54 bucks. >> show yourselves. >> what a bargain. >> yeah, what a bargain it is here. >> but people want growth in a world where back to the point we were saying earlier, the recovery is intact. we're constantly reassured about that but we're not necessarily looking around and seeing a lot of top line expansion. >> that's true and that will be a problem if it persists. we still have the prospect of less fiscal drag this year. it looks like the deleveraging cycle is still over. the housing market is very much likely to be stronger this year than last year. there's still some good news out there. to pretend we know what the economy is going to do this year after a single month of economic indicators i think is crazy. it's still very early. policy could evolve in a certain way -- >> i was going to ask about the debt ceiling in particular. i love how everyone is saying it's going to be fine. >> they can't be that stupid, right? we're saying it again. >> the debt ceiling was suspended for quite some time with regard to one of the latest deals that resolved the government shutdown. it's now been reinstated. what jack lew is doing is giving us an update on how long the treasury has until it hits the new level until it catches up to the inflation adjusted rate from last time around. i think i made that crystal clear. >> it's true that the complacency is the biggest threat. the last time we went through it, the market didn't detectably price in any big catastrophe. the most it priced in was a short term selective default. otherwise, i mean, there was no noticeable pricing in which means there was no spur to action. if we get closer to the end date again, there's a possibility of an accident but i still think it's unlikely. >> talking about accidents, tim, a lot of people were reluctant to go into the weekend long when they were worried about big currency moves that could come back and hurt markets here. what has changed, especially when you have something like puerto rico getting another downgrade. people reminded a little bit about contagion risk that may be underpriced. >> i can't hear anything. >> i think we lost tim. >> i think we lost tim. >> is he still talking? well, we'll have plenty more of tim coming up in the next hour. does anyone want to comment on this real quick? >> i think the contagion thing is a red herring. i think largely a red herring. >> would you have said that in 1996? 1997? >> were you born in 1997? >> he was in russia in 1997. and by the way, that's what caused the crisis. we know that now. >> i think the bigger issue is a question of global growth. and the impact that has on earnings and that's what i would focus on much rather than be distracted by puerto rico. >> and china is really, you know, the $600 million question here as most all the other things which are a distraction. the china growth story, the shadow banking, whether it's a hard landing, that's the issue. >> our thanks to tim. you can stick around and catch him coming up on "fast money" at 5:00 p.m. and in the meantime, has wall street's roller coaster week left investors with a bad case of vertigo? the head of td ameritrade retail giving us the pulse of retail investors. and whether bad news about the economy is good news for stocks or yes or no. christina romer speaking with me exclusively in a little bit. we'll talk about the employment figures and whether mother nature is masking an economic comeback or a slowdown. you are watching cnbc, first in business worldwide. 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>> kelly, i think we're seeing investors act in a very calm fashion. they're acting intelligently, and we haven't seen any hint whatsoever of any kind of a panic. so it's completely different from how you might have seen investors react 10, 15 years ago. >> we noted this actually on monday when we were down 350 points. everyone was calm around here. we spoke to some brokers saying our phones aren't ringing at all. is this just specific to this market or has something changed with the way that retail guys are investing? >> i think investors today are much more intelligent than they have been in the past, the distant past, and there are good reasons for that. number one, there is so much more educational materials out there for investors today. and, for example, on our website, we have hundreds of hours of education material that's available to investors for free and they're taking advantage of that. they're also -- there's also plenty of technology so investors can very easily access market information, their accounts, and place trades. 12% of our trades today are done on mobile devices. >> are they really? i want to bring the panel in with a couple questions as well. >> i want to know is the best indication that the retail investor finally gets it the fact that so much money has gone into passive funds over the past couple years and isn't that basically the best proxy for what retail investors are doing nowadays? >> well, i think that's an excellent point and a significant amount of dollars have gone into passive funds, but we're also seeing individual investors buy stocks. we're also seeing individual investors utilize options. 34% of our transactions now are options -- >> are they really? >> yes. and individuals are writing cover calls and doing more sophisticated strategies. some spreads. some are getting into iron condors and butterfly spreads. >> tom, it's robert frank. i cover high net worth investors and there's a curious thing happening now where they're accumulating a lot of cash, and if they are investing it, they're putting a large amount into hard assets, collectibles, we're talking about cars, fine art, basically hard things that are tangible and that are not going to be so volatile in price because they just had enough of this market. do you see any equivalent with the sort of retail mass investor where they want more tangible assets that are going to be less volatile in these markets? >> well, we haven't really seen any change amongst the extremely wealthy investors. in fact, wealthy investors will always pull money out to put funds into real estate and to invest in their businesses. however, we still see wealthy investors invest in stocks. regarding cash though, in our retail business roughly 20% of our retail assets are in cash. >> 20? >> and it's been in the low 20s for quite some time. still some money on the sidelines. >> what's normal? what used to be normal during the go go days of the market for cash? >> well, the teens would have been quote, unquote, normal if you go back a ways. but the 20% levels, we've been seeing that for the last five to ten years. >> wow. >> i have a question. out of curiosity, what is the typical profiler of a retail investor? what does that look like and has that changed? >> yeah. it's a great question. typically the retail investors that we're dealing with are the mass affluent. our average account would be in the $75,000 to $100,000 range. of course, we have high net worth investors and a lot of smaller accounts, typically younger investors that are just getting into the market and beginning to save. >> tom, i have got a question because i'm curious to know how you would reconcile what you'd say about retail sophistication and the huge raimoves into etfs particular. last summer many were following the retail data, and if they were they got an exaggerated, distorted sense of how bad the sell-off was in emerging markets. that may be happening again now, but it suggests retail investors suggest a lot differently than institutional investors and i'm curious to know how you would square that. >> i think we have a very interesting retail client base. it's a mix of long-term investors and traders. so you do see a lot of activity as market volatility increases from our trader base, and it's very typical to see the traders buying on the dips and selling on the rebounds. so it's very common. >> well, tom, thank you so much for coming and shedding some light on this situation. it sounds like time will still tell as to whether the retail investor gets more involved finally with this market. >> i hope so. >> appreciate it. >> thanks, kelly. >> how much of a speed bump is today's jobs report. christina romer, the former council of economic advisers chair weighs in next. we'll hear what she thinks about the weather's impact on the economy. plus, she'll weigh on on whether the fed should taper the taper. stake with us. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. ha ha. made-est thou look. so end-eth the trick. hey.... yes.... geico. fifteen minutes could save you... well, you know. how did edward jones get so big? 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[ squirrel ] it's pepto to-go. tgif. it's been another head spinning week for stocks. courty reagan rounds up the movers. >> we begin with google which became the second biggest company. netflix hit a record high that dates back to its ipo in may of 2002. merck moved higher on news it will pay $100 million to resolve all u.s. product liability lawsuits involving its contraceptive device. and a strong day for lululemon. upgraded to upperform saying the worst is over for the retailer. on the flip side fairway holdings group, the fresh food retailer, reported weaker than expected third quarter results. it announced changes in management. shares down almost 29%. >> a big move lower. thanks. my next guest was chair of the president's council of economic advisers during president obama's first term. in response to today's jobs report, she says the fed should be thinking about how it can be more helpful. joining us now in an exclusive interview is christina romer, professor of economics at the university of california. > berkeley. >> it's wonderful to be with you. >> what do you make of this jobs report? i don't think there's a clear take as to whether the economy is getting better or force? >> i think you're exactly right, and i think that's kind of inherent. it's a complicated report and it didn't give us any clear message. one of the things that is true in this country, as we measure the health of the labor force by two surveys, usually they give us a similar answer. this month they gave us very different answers. the household survey showed some real strength, but the payroll or the establishment survey, the survey of businesses, was a much more muted report, and i think most economists and certainly most forecasters think the establishment survey is more accurate, and so that certainly gives me a sense of caution about today's report. >> well, i love that as well because it is the unemployment rate that the fed is targeting, and put the 6.5% number out there, now we're so close to that threshold. what do they do, and by they i specifically mean janet yellen, who you vocally supported for this position as chair of the fed. what does she do now? >> the first thing to say is certainly that the unemployment rate is sort of today kind of a uniquely bad indicator of the health the labor market. we know we've had sort of lots of drops in the labor force, not this month but certainly in the previous couple of years, and so it's just a very sort of poor and noisy indicator of what's going on in the labor market and probably gives more of a sense of health than is really there. so what does the fed do? i think the big picture is unemployment even with this pretty questionable measure is still well above what anyone thinks is healthy. inflation is certainly coming down much lower than the fed has said is its target. it's closer to 1% than their target of 2%. i think in that sort of, you know -- with those two facts, that very much says the fed should be thinking about how do we help the economy, not how do we take back some of the help that's been there. >> do you put the onus on the fed because your experience in washington tells you fiscal policy is not going to be an option here? >> i mean, that is implicitly what i keep thinking. so, of course, we could do a much better fiscal policy. if we did a fis coloncal policy had long-term reduction but more for the economy, maybe an infrastructure program, that would clearly be helpful, that would clearly be smart for the economy. it would be good for groelt in the long run. it would put people back to work now and like everybody, i don't think that's going to happen. >> and that does leave the federal reserve. >> they're the only game in town, unfortunately. they've embarked on this path of tapering and given they're down that path, it probably would cause a fair amount of consternation if they were to stop or reverse themselves, but that's why i keep saying they need to be thinking about, well, if not that, what else? so do they, for example, change their forward guidance? you mentioned they have this, we'll start thinking about raising the funds rate when we get to 6.5% unemployment. well, maybe that number should be lowered to something much more plausible like 6% or even below that. i think that would be a very sensible move. i don't know what's going to happen. we'll get a read from chair yellen when she testifies this week. it will be interesting -- >> what advice do you have for her? >> well, i'm sure she has many people advising her. you know, i think just sitting where i'm sitting is to just keep that big picture in your mind, that the economy is failing sort of on both the directions that the fed, you know, cares about, unemployment and inflation, in the direction that says do more. so my main advice would be, be creative. if the fed has decided they don't want to keep with qe3, think of something else. look at what is going on in the uk. could you do that in the united states? could more aggressive forward guidance be helpful? i hope somebody is thinking even bigger picture. do we need a nominal gdp target, some other way of formulating monetary policy. the fed should be thinking big, not little, not conservative. >> you know, professor roam mer but you sound as though you think the taper has been a big mistake. >> i think it's unfortunate. certainly i think the big mistake was made back in june when they started talking about it the first time. i think once you do that, you know, this all sort of played out as it has. but it certainly was premature at the time. >> all right. and i'd love to know when you talk think big, what kind of ideas we're talking about. we'll have to pick up the discussion another time and leave it there for now as professor christina romer, really appreciate your time this afternoon. >> nice to be with you. >> a different message than we're getting from a lot of people certainly here on all street. a shocking statistic or maybe not given the state of things lately. emerging market equity fund outflows have already surpassed last year's and we're still in february. two market pros up next on whether the selling is overdone. don't go anywhere. that's why new york has a new plan -- dozens of tax free zones all across the state. move here, expand here, or start a new business here and pay no taxes for ten years... we're new york. if there's something that creates more jobs, and grows more businesses... we're open to it. start a tax-free business at startup-ny.com. make it happen with fidelity active trader pro. it's one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. call or click to open your fidelity account today. afghanistan, in 2009. orbiting the moon in 1971. 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[yawns] the presidents day sale is ending soon. ♪ mattress discounters welcome back. investors rushing for the exits in emerging markets. see mahmoma mody has the story. >> we're only five weeks in the year and outflows out of emerging market equity funds have surpassed outflows in all of 2013. $18.6 billion versus $15.2 billion according to epfr. the biggest had outflows this week. the reason, continued emerging market volatility. the potential rise in u.s. interest rates makes u.s. yields relatively more attractive. now, the emerging markets continue to underperform u.s. equities in 2014 and experts say even with calmer trading today, this trend could continue, especially if the fed ramps up its tapering plan. josh brown says that could result in a larger exodus out of emerging markets. paul christopher also sees further downside risk for emerging markets. that's why he's recommending clients to reduce exposure to emerging markets as he sees better prospects for u.s. equities. >> seema, thanks very much. let's talk about these prospects. joining us chris and daniel rosen, principle at the rhodium group. great to have you with me along with the panel. daniel, first to you. china is -- you know more about this than anyone. it's been closed celebrating the lunar new year. when markets reopen, what kind of concern do you expect them to reflect about how strong and fundamentally strong that economy is? >> the first thing people are concerned about is that china could get sort of carried away in the general emerging market anxiety right away. lot of reasons to be worried about emerging markets. china's slowdown has nothing to do with it. the fact that things are slowing there is actually pretty good news beyond the very short term. >> that's because you think china needs structural reform, correct, and this is effectively the only way to push that? >> everybody knows china needs structural reform. they bought a lot of growth in the past through policies which aren't working the same way today that they were before. the new leadership has made a very clear commitment they're going to try to change business as usual. they're making down payments on that. we're already starting to see a turn up in terms of stronger service sector activity and other little bits of light on the horizon that are going to turn into a much more positive story as the year goes on. >> krishna, that's a much more encouraging take than we tend to hear from people opining china is on the verge of complete collapse. it's extremely important for the u.s., for emerging markets. how precarious is the situation for some ever these smaller economies that depend on china's growth? >> look, i am long term bullish on emerging markets but i think in general there is reason to be concerned that there could be further weakness in the weeks ahead. why? there's essentially three things going on that all add up in my view to a derating of these emerging markets. first, as the other guest rightly pointed out, china is altering both its growth level and its growth mix. that is long-term good, short-term creates risks for the other economies that are related to it. secondly, we're discovering that many of these economies essentially squandered the last few years of easy money globally, just expanded local credit, didn't get the hard work of structural reforms done. that leaves them more vulnerable in a tighter financial environment. thirdly, the fed is moving towards policy normalization, albeit at a very gradual pace. it's not just the level of rates that obviously over time will move higher. it's also the fed's risk umbrella. that's coming in just a little bit. >> risk umbrella. >> yes. >> which is an interesting way to think about it, guys. >> one question i have for daniel, one of the most amazing and startling things i'm looking a in the china right now is the leakage of wealth out of that country. more than a half trillion dollars last year by chinese wealthy overseas. 60% of chinese millionaires have either moved overseas or planned to move overseas. that's a lot of capital leaving that country that may not come back. does that concern you? >> a lot of people are talking about that. we're doing a ton of work looking at china's outbound investment. if you said 60% of wealthy new yorkers had some assets overseas from the bbi, nobody would be surpri surprised. >> but they're moving. >> they're choosing to start spreading it around a bit. it makes pretty good sense from a portfolio diversification perspective and the bulk of that is by companies setting up productive assets in countries like the united states. they're not so worrisome as some people would think. >> is there any reason why retail investors should be that concerned or focused on anything but china? i mean, we looked at those emerging market outflows, $18 billion. it's a lot of money, but in the scheme, apple bought back $1.5 billion worth of shares in a couple weeks. in the scheme of the overall capital markets and outside of china, should we really be losing any sleep over turkey or some of the other countries? >> krishna? >> fundamentally i think we have to remember an economy like turkey is not a particularly large part of the global economy. we also must remember that this time around the emerging markets almost all have floating exchange rates. that means they can sort of ride out, use the currency as a bit of a shock absorber. it makes it less likely we get this domino effect we've seen in systemic crises in the past. one word of caution, a number of countries corporates have been borrowing aggressively overseas in foreign exchange, in dollar terms -- >> such as? >> this is a case in turkey, a lot of their corporates have currency debt, india, also a lot of corporates have foreign currency debt, sometimes associated with acquisitions, productive assets. >> and that was what did thailand in is that so many of the corporates in and companies in thailand were borrowing in dollars which is fine when they had a peg. when the peg broke, it all fell apart. so it is similar, isn't it? >> it's a currency mismatch. it works differently when you have a more continue with us exchange rate movement rather than a peg that holds, holds, holds and then breaks but it's still something we need to watch. >> more of a problem for some of these markets than potentially for here. guys, thanks very much. important views on this story as we head into the weekend. >> huge pleasure. thank you. >> and this year's tough winter could be putting job growth on ice. we want to know what you think about this. tweet us @cnbcclosingbell with your thoughts about the labor market, how is the weather affecting jobs. that's coming up on the air at the end of the show. up next, david gregory, moderator of "meet the press" chiming in on the latest flap sparked by a congressional budget office report. the cbo saying the equivalent of 2.4 million jobs could disappear because of obamacare. tdd# 1-888-628-2419 at schwab, we can help turn inspiration into action tdd# 1-888-628-2419 boost your trading iq with the help of tdd# 1-888-628-2419 our live online workshops tdd# 1-888-628-2419 like identifying market trends. tdd# 1-888-628-2419 now, earn 300 commission-free online trades. call 1-888-628-2419 or go to schwab.com/trading to learn how. tdd# 1-888-628-2419 sharpen your instincts with market insight from schwab tdd# 1-888-628-2419 experts like liz ann sonders and randy frederick. tdd# 1-888-628-2419 get support and talk through your ideas with our tdd# 1-888-628-2419 trading specialists. tdd# 1-888-628-2419 all with no trade minimum. and only $8.95 a trade. tdd# 1-888-628-2419 open an account and earn 300 commission-free online trades. call 1-888-628-2419 to learn more. tdd# 1-888-628-2419 so you can take charge of your trading. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. 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"meet the press" moderator david gregory tracking the political storm and he joins us now from washington. david, this has been ammunition for the gop giving them perhaps even more momentum in a year they think they can make some big gains in the midterm elections. >> i think one of the things that struck me watching the politics this week in washington is how any glimmer of hope around the state of the union and some cooperation has fallen away and we've gotten right back to election year politics. you see it playing out with conservatives on capitol hill and congress. they don't want to talk about immigration even though there may be room to get something done. they're likely to back off a debt ceiling fight. they want to talk about health care. and the cbo number talking about the impact when it comes to the labor market, even though there is different interpretations of what the cbo was saying, there's no question there is an impact on the labor market, and while it can be spun different ways, the impact is there. >> it's so interesting because this was in a report from the cbo, nonpartisan, et cetera, that was otherwise providing an update on how much better the budget sways has gotten which has been one of the strongest selling points of the gop over the last couple years. but that was completely overshadowed by this update on how much weaker economic growth will be, bigger the deficit will be because of the equivalent in terms of hours worked, 2.5 million jobs over the next decade. why would the cbo be this specific with regard to the impact when they didn't even really cite any reason why their rationale had changed so dramatically? >> they would tell you they call it as they see it as they begin the analysis on the impact of obamacare. to me it underscores a real problem with obamacare politically. i'm talking about the politics here. republicans and democrats, neither one really understand the impact on the marketplace, what it's going to mean for companies, for employees, and for the economy overall, and on the labor force. now, look, we know what the facts are about the impact on the 2 million jobs. there could be people who stay in a job just to get the health care, they don't have to do that anymore, as well as those who are out of a job who can get health care and that's a big selling point of obama care. but we know the other side of it, too. more part-time workers, less -- fewer companies hiring full-time employees. maybe they want to push people into the exchanges in their states or maybe they're just changing the structure of their health plans in a way that makes it more difficult for consumers or employees. all of these things are happening and having a real impact. >> and, you know, david, it happens today as the debt ceiling is reinstated, and people up here have been saying, you know what, washington? we're hearing happy talk. it sounds like they're going to resolve it, it's going to be okay, but obamacare and perhaps keystone could play in to gop demands relating to raising that ceiling, could they not? >> they could. i've been talking to white house advisers who say the president is still not going to deal. that's the official position and that's likely to stay. that doesn't mean there aren't some measures that they could put in that he's willing to talk about. i don't think keystone is one of them. i don't think he wants to have his hand forced on this just yet. not abundantly clear why that's the case after the state department gave a green light in their report, but i think that's still the case. look, i don't think republicans want to go to the brink, which we understand will be about february 27th on the debt ceiling from treasury. after the impact that they have felt from shutting down the government and all the blowback over obamacare. i don't think it's going to come to that. it doesn't mean there won't be pressure to try to negotiate. >> right. and continued discussions about obamacare the more we get reports like this. david, it's great to see you. thank you for your time. >> appreciate it. >> catch senators chuck schumer and rob portman on "meet the press" this sunday. you can check your local listings for the show time. now, what's clicking on our website as we ride into the weekend? 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