Transcripts For BLOOMBERG Charlie Rose 20151027

Reach the target with two aerial refuelings along the way. Welcome to the combat operations floor. Lieutenant colonel David Hayworth takes us into the command center as the b1 and other aircraft carryout the days attack plan against isis. It doesnt have windows, but it has a nice view. The air war has been going on for 14 months, but this is the first time news cameras have been allowed into its nerve center. The weapon of choice is information. The more information we have, the better we are able to make decisions. On one wall, a giant map showing the location of every plane. Green are american and allied. The blue are commercial aircraft. On another, a video feed from an unmanned drone, one of dozens orbiting over iraq and syria. We make our way around the floor to a spot in the center called the crows nest. This is the nexus, the center of the air campaign. 60 minutes is here to follow that b1 bomber on its mission against isis. General Charles Brown is the commander of the air war. How much of an effort does it take to mount a strike like that . Just that one airplane, a threeday process scheduling wise. Sometimes days, weeks, months. Just after 2 00 a. M. , five American Helicopters with special Operation Forces landed outside a heavily guarded isis prison in northern iraq. The troops stormed the compound, and in an exchange of gunfire killed two dozen isis fighters. A u. S. Servicemen was fatally wounded. The commandos rescued 70 hostages about to be executed. Charlie we want to talk about e 60 minutes report, but also about a u. S. Raid resulted in the First American killed in iraq since renewed military intervention last year. David martin joins me now from the pentagon. I am pleased to have him on the program. Thank you for joining us. Tell me what we know now in terms of what was the intent, what was the success, and what does it imply about the future . David the intent was to rescue what was thought to be kurdish prisoners before they were executed in the belief that they were about to be executed. That came from aerial surveillance of the prison compound which showed mass graves being dug. They went in, a firefight broke out, an american commando was killed in the firefight. They managed to save or rescued 70 prisoners being held by isis. Those prisoners have since told the United States now that they are back in some form of safety that they had been told that they were going to be executed after morning prayer. If you back up the time of the raid, that means that those commandos landed about 56 hours before the scheduled execution. One other interesting thing about that raid, i just minutes ago was in a press conference with the fence secretary asked carter, and he said, i suspect there will be more like this. Charlie it seems that there is something indicated by this that america is to pay her to do . David thats right. If you look at the last war in iraq when the United States had 100,000 plus troops on the ground, what really defeated al qaeda in iraq were those special operations, the night raids, 1020 a night, and which they not only killed and captured leaders, but they swept up those cell phones and laptops and got more intelligence about the network. In this war where we only have 3500 trainers and advisers, and we now know some commandos on the ground, there have been exactly to raids, the one earlier this week, and one a couple of months ago when they went after an isis leader in syria. They got a lot of intelligence out of that raid, particular about how the finances of isis work. Secretary carter said they got a lot of intelligence out of this raid on the prison compound. We dont know yet what was in that intelligence. Charlie my understanding is they captured some isis combatants . David it is not clear. They have six members of isis, but it is not clear if they were running the prison or if they were in fact prisoners who had somehow run afoul against isis. Charlie we do know the u. S. Was asked to do this by the peshmerga forces, to join them . David thats right. The mantra is that iraq is a sovereign country and we are there at the behest of the government. We saw that in the air war. In iraq, iraq has veto power over any target that the u. S. Wants to strike because it is their country. Charlie what do we know about how the member of delta force died . David again, secretary carter just said something interesting, which i have not had a chance to follow up on yet. He said the indications are that that soldier, whose name was joshua wheeler, a 39yearold master sergeant, that he and his teammates were responsible for pulling those prisoners out of there. I dont know the circumstances or why he said that, but that is what the secretary said. He was hit by enemy small arms fire. In a firefight like that, it is possible that you could be hit by friendly fire, but the pentagon specifically says he was hit by enemy small arms fire. Charlie let me talk about what you saw and the access you had. What surprised you about what you saw . David what surprised me the most, both what i saw and the reporting i did leading up to it, is the difficulty of finding highvalue targets that are really worth hitting. When you go there, you see very clearly that the u. S. Air force can hit just about anything it aims at. Every once and a while there is a dud. The dud rate is 2 on the bombs, but otherwise they are firing satellite guided or laserguided weapons that almost hit the targets. Hitting a target is not the problem. The problem is finding lucrative targets. The raid we watched was against a cluster of buildings that were supposed to hold a car bomb factory that isis used to mount car bomb attacks. When we watched the raid, you could clearly see secondary explosions that indicated that explosives were indeed in those buildings. But what is to stop isis from moving in to another vacant building, getting more derelict cars, making more homemade explosives . And this is what passes for isisindustrial base. Those Oil Platforms where they skim oil off the desert floor. So this air campaign would not pass a costbenefit analysis. That b1 bomber that dropped its bombs on those buildings, and it basically obliterated those buildings, it stayed over iraq for several more hours, and it was sent to check out a report of a loan sniper on a rooftop. So here you have this bomber that was built to drop Nuclear Weapons on the soviet union back in the 1980s, which is caring 17. 5 tons of conventional bombs, hunting around for one sniper. Charlie here is what is interesting. For me, is this the place where they coordinate with the russians so that there is no overlap in terms of conflicting . David we dont know exactly where that coordination happens, but it has to go through this command center. When we were there, there was no coordination. The memo of understanding had not been signed yet. So we did not see any formal coordination, but the american pilots we talked to were not sweating the russians at all. They know that they have air superiority over those russian planes and that the russians would be very foolish i mean, in the first place there are three times as many u. S. Aircraft as there are russian aircraft. More importantly, the u. S. Has all these support aircraft like Early Warning radar planes, and they give these pilots a total picture of everything that is happening in the airspace, and they will see the russians before the russians and see them. In addition, the u. S. Also has the f22 stealth fighter, which is the only jet fighter in the world that is both supersonic and stealth. The russians dont have anything like that. The americans and still maintain total air superiority over syria. The russians are a nuisance. Charlie they are a nuisance to the u. S. , but do we know whether they have been effective at all in terms of their attacks against rebel forces fighting Bashar Alassad . David they are helping the syrian army along with iranian fighters. They mount offensives to take back some of the territory in the corridor that runs from damascus up to aleppo. They are making some progress, but they have conducted so far about 140 strikes. The u. S. Conducts about 140 strikes in two days. They conduct 6070 strikes, drops, weapons a day, and you see how slow the progress is that the u. S. And its allies are making against isis, so i dont think russia is going to have dramatic effect instantaneously on that battlefield with your airstrikes. Charlie we still have the idea that airstrikes will get you somewhere, but not far enough, unless they put soldiers and combat troops on the ground, they can never complete the job. David you have to retake the ground to win a war, and to me that is probably the most discouraging thing about what i witnessed. The last iraq war, 130,000 troops on the ground with complete control of the air and it took eight years. This iraq war, we have 3500 advisers on the ground and who knows how long its going to take . Charlie david martin at the pentagon, thank you so much. David you bet. Charlie back in a moment. Stay with us. Charlie former secretary of state Hillary Clinton ran a marathon on thursday, answering questions in front of the longest running select committee in the United States congress. At issue, the deadly 2012 attack in benghazi, libya. At the end, the republican chairman conceded that there were no big revelations. We reached out to all the republican members of the select committee to appear on this program. Of those that responded, none were available. Representative adam schiff is one of the democrats on the committee. I am pleased to have him here. Welcome to the program. It is great to be with you. Charlie where are we and where are we going . That is a good question. It is hard to say. All the other hearings that were planned were canceled once the hearing with secretary clinton was scheduled. Error going to be 1012 hearings, defense secretary, cia, but those were all put off or canceled for good, so we are waiting to hear from the majority, and of course we will have to evaluate based on their plan Going Forward what that means in terms of our participation. There has been a debate all along about whether it makes sense for democrats to participate in what we view as a highly partisan exercise designed to attack the secretary, so we will have to see what they plan in the future and make a decision about that. Charlie is it likely that you will not go forward, democrats . Our Ranking Member is issuing a statement that we continue participating for now. A lot will depend on where they intend to take this. To be honest, i dont think they know yet where they want to take this. Everything has been leading up to the moment we had last night, and i think they are in the process of evaluation how much longer they want this to drag on and what is the objective. We tried from the very beginning of this investigation to get them to agree to some scope, if not scope in terms of the time of the investigation, at least to identify what issues we were trying to unravel, whether it was the allegation of a standdown order or whether it was some other issue, but they were unwilling to it essentially narrow or even define the scope, so we are not sure where we are headed, to be honest. Charlie have you asked for the release of the transcripts of the interviews with Sidney Blumenthal . Many times. This was a deposition governed by house rules. We ask promptly after his deposition to have that vote, the republicans would never scheduled to vote. They did not want to have to vote on this. We forced a vote on it during the middle of this hearing, and to a person, the republicans voted to keep those transcripts private. It is curious because they were willing to release blumenthals emails, but they werent willing to release the transcript of his explanation of the context of those emails, and i think, charlie, the reason is pretty clear. It wasnt so much what he said, but what they asked him. The gop members have been going on national tv to say they are not interested in the Clinton Foundation or the personal relationship he had with the clintons, but when you look at the questions that were asked, there were literally hundreds of questions about the foundation, media matters, the relationship he had with the clintons, and a must nothing about the events of benghazi. Charlie tell me what you think of the questions were and what the answers were. The Big Questions at the outset of all of the investigation, i will tell you we have to put this into context. In the very beginning after these tragic events, there were very legitimate questions about was the security enough, were the requests that went unheeded, who was responsible for that, how do we improve security in the future, what happened afterwards, why were the talking points wrong . Those were all legitimate questions. But by the time this started, they had been asked and answered, which was the challenge in terms of defining what we were going to do in this investigation. There have been these persistent myth about standdown orders, gunrunning, interference insecurity, so it was clear we were going to do another look at that, but what i think is so telling about this and this was intimated by the chairman at the conclusion of the clinton hearing, notwithstanding all the witnesses, interviews, documents, emails, there has been nothing new discovered that alters any conclusions made in these other eight investigations. So we do not have much to show for a year and a half worth of work, in the sense that we cant tell the families or the American People anything new about this tragic events. Charlie are you bothered by the fact that the secretary of state did not know about the request for additional security . I think the secretary answered that quite well yesterday, and it wasnt the first time she has been asked. There are people responsible for security at all our embassies. That is who received the request for additional security. I dont know whether i would want the secretary of state, who has a very big job, to be micromanaging decisions about whether there should be six security personnel, eight, twn, or what level it ought to be. There are people whose expertise and job is to do that at the state department. The key question, do we keep this facility open, i think that is perfectly appropriate for her. And she did answer that. Charlie in this case, this was summoned she knew and admired, and if he was requesting additional security, you might assume that somehow it would get to her . Well, it might have, and it didnt, and i think the fact that they did have a relationship and this was somebody that she chose for this position, i think that indicates also that if ambassador stevens thought she was the right person to make these decisions, he would have been able to go to her. In fact, there is a mechanism within the state department to go to her. The secretary has a relationship with all of these ambassadors around the world. Some more than others, but we have to put this into perspective. There were 20 capitals that seemed under siege at this time when that video took place. There were numerous other hot spots around the secretary also had to deal with. There were a lot of dangerous posts. Whether this particular request should have gotten to her, the answer is that it didnt get to her. It is hard to lay responsibility at her feet. Charlie she pointed out that she had a number of conversations with chris and security was not brought up. Yes, im not sure how often she communicated with the ambassador, but i know she was quite clear that he never raised a security issue with her, and i think the accountability review board which looked at this objectively, done by two career they concluded that the decision to act on those requests was certainly a flawed position by those who made it, but that was not really a decision to be made at the secretary of state level. Charlie she said that every recommendation has been a limited. Is that a fair statement . It is a fair statement which he said that when she left the state department they were in the process of being implemented, some taking years to implement. She did mention one that we in congress have slowed down and not fully implemented, and that is the establishment of a joint Training Center to train our diplomatic and security personnel. That is a project slated to be built in virginia. If we were serious about Embassy Security as our committee lets on, we would get that project moving. Charlie there is also the question of where does spontaneous reaction to of film, where does that go from being spontaneous in terms of the streets of benghazi to a planned al qaeda attack taking the advantage of a spontaneous outburst . This is a subject that we covered in an investigation that lasted almost two years in the intelligence committee. What we discovered, and i think that has been verified by the select committee as well, and that is the intelligence we received was improved in the days after the attack, and changed yet again in the week after the attack. Initially, some of the first intelligence indicated that this was a planned attack that she related to the egyptian prime minister. Within about 2448 hours, the cia had assessed based on human intelligence, opensource intelligence, signals intelligence, that it probably began as a protest that was hijacked into an attack. It was not until about eight days afterwards, when we got the videos from those compounds and we could see there was no protest outside the facility that we were able to definitively conclude that this did not begin as a protest, but what i think is significant here is that if you look at what the secretary said at the time she said it, much like if you look at what ambassador rice said at the time she said it, it was completely consistent with what our Intelligence Community was telling us at that time. Everyone knows how the intelligence process works, particularly after a tragic incidents like that incident like this, your assessments continue to evolve over time. We in congress were trying to understand what we knew. Some of that proved to be wrong. We found no evidence that there was any deliberate intent to deceive anyone. Charlie was it faulty intelligence . It was, but i dont consider that an intelligence failure. Initially, you had one group that claimed responsibility. You had open source reporting that there were active protests going on. You have people on the ground saying protests were going on, so if the intelligence is conflicting, the analysts who look at all the streams of intelligence, their conclusion was that it began with the protest. Then you get more definitive evidence, and in this case it was the actual video, and that was quite compelling and showed us in fact that there was no protest. Charlie did the government in libya tell the government in the United States from the getgo that they thought it was a planned attack . I dont recall exactly what the view of the Libyan Government was on that issue. I do recall that the Libyan Government was really appalled at the violence and quite devastated that our ambassador was killed. With tens of thousands of libyans taking to the streets because they love this man to say this is not us, this is not islam, and i think the point in those initial conversations when the secretary was still trying to get help and security with the Libyan Government, they were trying to assure her how appalled they were at this loss of life. Charlie how you think the republicans on the committee, including the chairman, view it so far . I have to think they are gravely disappointed at what happened yesterday. I think they were hoping that they would have more to show or at least demonstrated the committee had achieved something. Months, they have nothing to tell us about what actually happened that we didnt know already. Theres not much they can tell those urging the creation of this committee that justifies all the time and expense. Charlie you are a democrat and a politician. Secretary clinton has had, by the judgment of most political observers, a very good month, the debate and now this performance at the committee hearing. Has she essentially wrapped up the nomination now . Rep. Schiff i think in this kind of political environment, you can never say anybody has wrapped it up until you see electoral votes on the board. She is a very strong candidate. She was at the outset. I think shes gotten stronger even after her debate performance and frankly after going through 11 hours of grilling and looking very president ial. She demonstrated a pretty comprehensive knowledge not only of our Foreign Policy but how the state department operates and a Great Respect for the people who serve overseas. I think she looked very president ial. I think members of our Committee Looked very small in comparison. You have to conclude it was a pretty good month for the secretary. Charlie thank you very much for joining us. I regret we couldnt talk to one of the republican members. We invited them on, hoping to have an ongoing conversation not only about this particular thing but also other issues in congress. Thank you very much for joining us. Rep. Schiff you bet. Charlie adam schiff, democrat from california. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Buddy nice place, nice car what happened . Well, it all started with my free credit score from credit sesame. Com. They gave me so much more than a free credit score. Credit sesames Money Management tools and personalized offers saved me tons of money and helped me reach my goals. I just signed up with their free app. Whats my credit score . Your credit score is 650. Thats magic no, thats credit sesame. Com you get so much more than a free credit score so do more with your score at credit sesame. Com charlie herb alpert is here. He is one of the most successful trumpeters in pop history. His top 10 hits launched him into the popculture stratosphere. Three years later, he released whipped cream and other delights. The album became popular for its risque cover. Here is a look at a taste of honey. Charlie herb alpert was one of the Entertainment Industries shrewdest businessmen. He sold a label in 1989 for more than 500 million. I am pleased to have herb alpert at the table. Herb nice to be here. Charlie its good to have you here. It has been a remarkable career. Herb its been a dream. It was the lonely bull that really started it all. That was our first release. It became a top 10 record. I got a letter from a lady in germany about a month after the record was released who said, dear mr. Alpert, thank you for sending me on this vicarious trip to tijuana, and i chuckled when i read it. I thought, wow, that music was so visual to her it took her someplace. Thats the music i wanted to make. Charlie miles davis said, you hear three notes and know if its herb alpert or not. Herb i think that is what we are all looking for in an artist. Its the sound. You want to find your own voice, and it takes a while. Charlie when you say the sound, what do you mean . Herb i have a classical background, and when i heard miles and Louis Armstrong and all the guys closing their eyes and just playing, that is what i wanted to do. I could play a little bit like harry james. I could play like miles. Charlie but what you wanted was your own sound. Herb i didnt know that at the time. I was just looking for something. Then i heard les paul, mary ford. Remember the record how high the moon . When i was hearing that record, i tried that at home. I put the trumpet on one tape machine, overdubbed it to the other, and i got this sound to her that was the genesis of the tijuana brass sound. Charlie when you heard it, you knew that was you . Herb i didnt know that exactly at the time. I knew i was onto something that felt good, and i didnt know that until the lonely bull and the letter from the lady. Then you start getting your courage up. Herb you have done it all. Youve been a businessman. Youve been a musician. Youve been a broadway producer, painter. Charlie herb i still am a painter and a sculptor. Charlie which one of those defines you the most . Herb i think all three. I am a rightbrain guy. I paint, i sculpt, i make music, and im lucky. Charlie do they feed each other . Herb absolutely. I get that feeling when it happens. You can be sculpting, and the piece doesnt really take shape or feel good. Im just as anxious until its resolved, and when its resolved, its a great feeling. Its like playing a solo. Im intrigued about the mystery of the arts. I think theres an unwritten thing you cant describe, and i like that. Charlie its a bit like, everybody sees a painting differently, because it touches something in them that is unique and different from everything else. Do you hear it differently . Herb if you like something, i dont think you hear it with your ears. You hear it with your soul. Good art resonates in the soul. Its like standing in front of a Jackson Pollock painting. If you try to analyze it, its not going to happen. You have to feel it. Charlie is that what youve always told artists . Herb i think thats the main ingredient. Unless you are passionate about what you are doing, if you dont believe what you are doing is good, why should anyone else believe it . Herb herb how famous was this album . Herb it was big. It was like 14platinum 14 million platinum records. It was huge, and it happened in a strange way. Charlie how is that . Herb i got a call from our record is jupiter in new orleans. Our record distributor in new orleans. He said, i just heard a song that al hurt turned down. I said, could you please send it to me echo that was whipped cream. I recorded it four days later. It was not a monster hit, but it got on the charts. My partner jerry moss had a brilliant idea. He said, lets couch this in an album with food titles. In that album was taste of honey. Charlie the cover became as popular as the music. Herb the cover became iconic. People love that cover. Charlie do they bring it to you and have you sign it . Hherb i will tell you one thing happened. A guy comes up to me and says, you know that whipped cream album you did that cover, its beautiful. I just love it. When you hear music today, what do you like . Herb i like honest music. There are certain artists, when you hear them, you know they are giving it their all. Its like ray charles. When we heard ray charles, it was like he could sing god bless america, and it drills you. Charlie were you and miles friends . Herb i had dinner with miles one night, and i didnt understand a word he said. I loved him. He was an important figure. Charlie al hurt turned something down that you took. Have there been instances in which you turned it down and somebody else took it up to stratospheric heights . Herb those days, it was a whole different story, but people used to come in with master records. They would play a record that was finished, and you had the opportunity to release it if you chose to. There was one record. It was 1968, i believe it was. I didnt like it at all. There was an original record we heard in 1958, but it was too long. It didnt sit right with me. I turned it down. That happened to be louie, louie, which was number one for like eight weeks in a row, and every time i heard it, i still had that same feeling. I go with my instincts. It feels good, great. If it doesnt, i will pass. Charlie a m was successful because it was for artists, by artists . Herb it was thinking from the Artists Point of view. I recorded for a Major Company for about a year and a half, and i didnt like the way they treated me. I was a number. I went into the playback room, the studio, and wanted to hear a bit more base on some of the songs a bit more bass on one of the songs i did. The engineers left my head and said, dont touch that again. I thought, gee, shouldnt you be looking at music from the Artists Point of view . I said, if i ever had my chance to have a company, i would certainly approach it differently. Charlie you once said you didnt know what a hit record sounds like, but you knew what good music sounds like. Herb its hard to predict. In 1965, my partner and i released third man theme on the a side, and on the b side was a taste of honey. I was playing in seattle, washington at the edgewater, and every time i play a taste of honey, people go crazy. I called my partner and said, jerry, we are on the wrong side. He said, no, man, it stops in the middle, starts, stops. Its not a radio record. I said, im telling you, turn it over. We finally did, and three months later, it was the breakthrough record. We had hits before, but this was the one that really charged ahead. Charlie that told you to trust your and sticks. Instincts. Herb i always did trust my instincts, but this was a message from above. When taste of honey hit, we did all the big shows, ed sullivan, dean martin. Charlie the list i saw for 1966, you are the number one in 1966. You outsold the beatles. Herb we outsold the beatles in 1966. I only know that because its not patting myself on the back i saw that in the guinness book of records. Charlie what song was that . Herb it was a taste of honey. In 1966, we had five records on the top 20, quarter records charlie five in the top 20. Herb and four albums in the top 10. It was just crazy. Charlie you also knew sam and worked with sam cooke. Herb loved sam. He taught me a lot. He just had a natural way about him. He was very elegant, very musical. He used to come in with a notebook, and he showed me his notebook wants. I was looking at these lyrics he would write down. This set of lyrics looked really corny to me. The popcorns on the table. Lets have a party. I said, what does it sound like . He picked up his guitar, and it was like magic. The melody was beautiful. Everything was in the right place. I was thinking to myself like, thats what its all about. Its all about intent. Charlie its also about emotion, isnt it . He understood emotion. He knew you had to connect. Herb it was real stuff. That major record he had was you send me. The followup record, i was in the studio watching him, and the owner of the company had a chart. He was listening to the playback. He kind of new music in a strange way im talking about the owner of the company. He said, sam, do me a favor bar 82, put in woah, woah. Sam looked at him and said, jack his name wasnt jack he said, you cant just put in a woah, woah whenever you want to. You have to feel it. That was sam. Charlie Dizzy Gillespie one set once said of being a musician, the closer you get, the farther it looks. Herb thats true. Charlie what does that mean . Herb you never get to the place on your own instrument where you are satisfied. Charlie the closer you get to perfection in your own mind, the farther away it seems. The more you know, the more you know you have to know. The more you know, the more you realize you dont know much. Herb for sure. On an instrument, its always different. There are so many facets of playing an instrument right. Charlie on to it with your wife, you mix it up. Most of it jazz . Herb its all jazz. It songs we were going to play, but its never played the same way twice. That is what i love. Im basically a jazz musician, and i brought that sensibility to the tijuana brass. I never, ever practiced the songs that i recorded, believe it or not. One time i did. Or by the greek i practiced, but the other songs, i waited until i had the track or i was recording in the studio, and then i went and put my horn on, trying to just have that experience of the moment. To me, that is what is so seductive about painting and sculpting and making music. Im sure you feel it, as well. When you are doing something you are passionate about, you are in the exact moment of your life, and that is what hooked me. Charlie its a feeling like nothing else. Its almost like being as they say in sports in the zone. Herb when you are not in the zone, you might be thinking about tomorrow or yesterday. Charlie when youre in the zone, it just comes and flows. Herb its the place. I tell kids, please, unless you are passionate about being a musician or artist or poet, dont do it. While you are sleeping, other people are practicing. Charlie exactly. Its true. His music missing something that it had when you were at your best . Herb thats hard to say. There are a lot of great artists out there, and they dont have the same opportunities. Radio is a little stingy with what they are willing to play. If it has a guitar, i cant play it. If you know how to get around the internet and you get lucky, but its pretty astounding, charlie there are records like bruno mars, his last record, are you sitting . One billion people have watched youtube. One billion. Charlie do you like those numbers . Herb i would like to have 1 10 of that number. Charlie this goes a long way back. This is a clip of you and the tijuana brass playing spanish flea. Charlie we were just saying, herb asked me who i liked in jazz music, and i said one of the people was winston. Herb i love him. I love everything about him. Hes a fantastic musician but a human being. I played with Louis Armstrong once. I interviewed him. I was a moderator and mc. I played with him, and i couldnt describe. He was the only musician ive met so far that his personality came right through the horn. Charlie roll tape. Here it is. She makes that magnolia tree wrap around her at the mention of her name who brought the cakewalk back into style . Who made those weeping willow trees smile . She came, she saw, she conquered we think shes just sensational [laughter] herb let me tell you something. I asked louis i said, i know people call you sasho. I said, what do your friends call you . He said, my friends call me irving. [laughter] charlie take a look at this. This is when marsalis. When youre trying to play jazz is other people you are , inventing it as it goes on. You are adjusting what you are playing to go with them, and they are doing it with you. Its like a dance. You are finding each other, and its very fundamental and basic, but its also complicated. Charlie its true. Herb youve got to let it happen. Charlie but you have to know your ive often believed, and jazz is the perfect example, the more you know, the better you are, the more schooled you are, the more spontaneous, the more you can go off, because you know how to come back. Herb absolutely. Stan getz was a dear friend of mine, and stan used to say, im not sure where im going, but i know where im going to end up. He never played a note that he wasnt ready to come out with. You have to trust yourself. You have to trust your instincts. You have to let it go. If you try to be too cute with it and play for somebody else and see if you can do something someone else is going alike, its not going to work. Charlie there is a concept in sports. Sometimes, you have to let the game come to you. In music, you have to let it come to you. Herb if you try too hard to be hip, you are going to be corny. [laughter] charlie just be authentic and let it come to you. Herb to be authentic is the goal. It doesnt have to be perfect. Perfection is not there. We all loved billy holiday. She wasnt perfect. She didnt sing in tune all the time. Its all about feeling. Charlie you released an album on september 25 called come fly with me. Herb what is in it . Herb come fly with me is the title tune. We all know that song from frank sinatra. I wanted to do it to transport us into another spot. We use steel drums on it, and it takes us to the caribbean. I always loved that melody. Blue skies. Charlie music you love. Herb i only play music i love. I cant play the music i dont love. I can only play music that feels right. Charlie how often do you paint . Herb every day. I think that is one of the problems ive been having as an artist. You hear my name, and he says, he has some nice paintings, hes probably a sunday painter. Charlie everyday . You have to do it . Herb for my own health, i have to do it. Charlie thats what im saying. You get up every morning, have a cup of coffee herb i paint, i sculpt. My wife is not crazy about this, but i do these wax miniature things with a blow torch that is where i create the idea. Charlie some of the sculptures at the field museum herb there are nine sculptures at the field museum right out in front. Bronze totems from 13 feet to 17. 5 feet tall. It looks really good. There is one huge one inside. I love doing it, man. Thats me. Charlie thank you for coming. Herb alpert, thank you for joining us. See you next time. It is a look at what we are watching. It blames growing competition and slumping demand. He is now heading to silicon valley. Opening the doors of its new 3 billion casino. More to boost the citys fortune. Let us know what you think of our top stories. Follow me on twitter. The indonesian trading day is beginning. A lackluster session on wall street here. Certainly indonesia beginning this day and a lot of news. Not just the fires, which have intensified. To thes according president that indonesia has joined the transpacific partnership. To the u. S. Has been fires. Lets these get you indication of what is vi