Joining me now for a look at the 2016 election, Karen Tumulty is with the washington post, jerry seib is with the wall street journal. Thank you for being here. It was no great surprise that she was in. She had an unusual rollout. The video and between, and then the video. Was it successful . Karen who knows. We can tell you in november 2016. It seemed like everything, interestingly enough, last time she also started with a video over a weekend. The message of this video seemed to be, remember how i did it last time . I am not doing it that way again. Al the non2008 hillary. Jerry . Jerry i thought it was an interesting illustration of how she cant do the things other candidates have to do. She does not have to prove that she can fill a ballroom with supporters. She doesnt need to prove that she can raise a million dollars. We know she can do that. She doesnt have to establish Foreign Policy credentials. We know she can do that. She has to go to grassroots with regular people and prove that she can do that, prove that she can relate to regular people and talk to them on the ground. So on those terms, this start was the right one. Al the video, that is served coalition, it isnt it . Her coalition is obamas coalition. I thought that was a little too forced, to be honest. But you are right, that is the coalition. If you look at the numbers, if you get elected as Hillary Clinton, you will have to do it with women and minority support. Some bluecollar workers, which she did better with than barack in 2008. Obama. Our women to Hillary Clinton what barack obama was to minorities . Karen the last time, that was not the case. And in fact, you look at her announcement last time, it was a video where she said, we will start a conversation. She looked inevitable then, too. Not as inevitable as now, but eight years ago, it was, we are going to have a conversation and i will not break a sweat. Two or three weeks later, barack obama stands on the Capitol Steps in springfield where Abraham Lincoln delivered his house divided speech. He evoked history in a way, last time, that hillary did not. She really still isnt. So i am waiting for that , springfield steps moment on her part. You know, i am sure it will come. But you know, she hasnt really pushed that storyline as hard as you would think. Al speaking of that, she did after her announcement what we are all dying to do, a 17 hour car ride from chappaquiddick new york to car ride to iowa. Karen when we see the first instagram of hillary standing there at the selfservice pump we know it is an authentic car trip. Al she is lucky she did not have young kids with her. Because after five minutes, it would be mom have we arrived . Jerry i am from the midwest. I have driven across iowa. It is not what it is cracked up to be. Al looking ahead, what do you expect . She will have meetings in living rooms and diners and with small groups. But she cant just do that. They will have to be more. Jerry i think she will have to start answering, and finish answering in fairly short order, the key question, what is the rationale for her candace candidacy and presidency . They know that its my turn is not it. There is kind of a populous base in the democratic party, they want to know, whats the point . She will have to have clarity. I think there was a time in which the hillary world thought that say and, i am a more competent version of obama would be a good message. But thats not enough. There has to be a reason to vote for her and she has to lay it out. Karen what she has to do with now is her own foreignpolicy record. Because the world looks like a very scary place right now. And so she has to explain to people, especially people who do not think that obama has been Strong Enough overseas, how she would be different when she actually served as secretary of state. Al hard to break on some of those issues. Isnt it . For instance, the Iranian Nuclear deal, she was there in the beginning. It is hard to break with him on that. Karen i was just deny it will last week. You get the sense that people are thinking about Foreign Policy in a way they have not in a very long time. I think people understand what basis isis is in a way they never really understood what al qaeda was, or what sunnis versus shia, there is something sort of got level about what they see happening overseas. And it scares them. Jerry i suspect she wouldnt mind breaking slightly with obama on israel, either. Karen certainly, shes got the Democratic Base. She would be taking quite a bit of the Democratic Base with her if she did. Al she has a pretty strong proisraeli record. Jerry i dont think anyone in the jewish community, the democratic jewish community, would doubt that she would be closer to israel than the current president barack obama has been. I think in the long run, i think the ability to stand on a stage with any of the republicans we are thinking about right now and talk with great knowledge and certainty about Foreign Policy, is not going to be a minus. Her record is controversial, but in a world in which people are more scared than they were a year ago, that is in the long run, a plus. Al it is curious. Because last time, lb it with a lb it a different environment, she tried to run on strength. I voted for the iraq war. That was a mistake in 2008. This time, if she conveys strength, it will be more of an asset. Jerry i am not sure people are ready to go into the next version of the middle east war. That is where iran gets tricky. She wants to be tougher than obama in dealing with iran, but not so tough that we stumble into 10 more years of war. Al one of her signature accomplishments, she thought was her advocacy in 2011. It didnt turn out so well. Karen there is, again, as americans are of two minds on this, they dont have a clear sense of how intervention is. That is not just something that affects Hillary Clinton. We have watched on the republican side, rand paul trying to walk on both sides of that line. I think this is something that will confound candidates on both sides. Al there may not be a rightwing conspiracy, but there will be a strong republican attack machine. We know that. They advertise it, the benghazi hearings. Will that cause problems for her . Karen right now, you get the sense that the republican fundraising, everybody is revving their fundraising engines. For those of us who were alive in the 1990s, there is a very familiar feel to all of this. Al and this ahead of time could this wound her . Jerry i think it could. It does not have the perverse effect of rallying the democratic race. They have seen the movie before. They are not going to like it now. Some of the doubt is the doubters will be pushed to attack defend her against the attack machine. Whether they love her so much or not. In the long run, you have to worry about the attack machine reminding people that the clintons come back into our lives carrying baggage. And that makes people cringe a little bit, at least in some cases. Al there is that. Your other point, it could backfire. I would argue that libya, what we did there should be a bigger liability than benghazi. There was a terrible lapse, but that is happened before. Yet, there could be a backlash if they overdo it on the benghazi hearing. Jerry americans are of two minds on intervention. If you ask people in a paul, paul poll, should we stop iran from getting a Nuclear Weapon . A majority will say, yes. But do they really mean that . In the abstract, yes. But when you talk about bringing marines back into the middle east, you have a different situation. That will be part of the debate in the general election. If hillary gets there, that will be fascinating to watch. Al and the role of bill, a potential first spouse . Karen he was nowhere to be seen on the video. I think he will be nowhere to be seen for quite a while. What we discovered is, he is much better as a candidate when he is as a surrogate. Al how about the Clinton Foundation . I mean, there is a lot of controversy over the donations they have taken. Will they have to stop taking donations for a while . Karen this has been fertile territory for journalists. Because they had said that they were no longer taking foreign contributions when she was secretary of state. And it turned out they were. So i think these are very valid questions to be raised. Yes, it does a lot of great charitable work, but it is also, by giving to the foundation, a way of influencing the clintons. So this will continue to be a story. Al i agree. What can they do about it, are there still disclosures they have to make . You have done a lot of original reporting on this. Jerry i think they will have to pull her away from the foundation and set clear ground rules, and they have to be in this. It is an overused one, but they have to be transparent about what they are doing, and a way they havent before. But you cant take bill clinton out of the campaign. Its not going to happen. I mean he was prominent in the , saturday night live skit. That was a joke, but on the other hand, it tells you that in the back of peoples minds, that is a big deal. I was talking with a republican last week, a prominent republican who said, he is still her best campaign asset. Al he is popular. Karen you also saw the smart way of using him. For instance, during that texas primary, they sent bill clinton into minor media markets in east texas. Where a nextpresident coming to expresident coming to town was a big deal. Yet, you could stay below the radar. The obama people said they were kind of shocked at the degree to which, if you use bill clinton he can really pull out a lot of voters. Al there is nobody better. There is another member of the clinton family. I am not talking about the granddaughter. Chelsea clinton. I hear she plays a bigger role than is appreciated here. Karen she is on the cover of elle magazine. The latest issue. She refuses to answer any questions from the traditional mainstream media. She does a lot a fashion magazine shoots. She campaigns with her mother. I think, at some point, if she is in this, she has to be in this. Al jerry . Jerry the last point is right. If there is a Chelsea Clinton campaign role, make it out front. I think the behindthescenes aspect of that will not work. But she is obviously very intelligent, a woman with a lot of experience in her own right in national politics. There is nothing wrong with her role. But i think it should be up front. Al when we look at potential democratic rivals, we say she is a formidable frontrunner. It is hard to see a barack obama lurking anywhere. If you are in hillaryland, you are trying to be careful. Which one of those when you say could cause some trouble . Like pat buchanan, for instance. Karen i heard both jim webb and Martin Omalley were appearing in iowa friday. I think, before either of them have the potential to cause problems for her, she has to make a few more mistakes, as she did on the level of the email controversy. Al so her most formidable rival may be Hillary Clinton . Karen right. Al you dont see a omalley or webb gaining traction in New Hampshire . Jerry i think politics is a vacuum. It is never as easy as it looks. There will be a moment in which somebody will look like a plausible alternative to hillary. And, you know, we will explore that possibility, but it is hard to see right now. I think, if there is a stumble there is still the joe biden question on the horizon. Is he preparing to save the party from its self if something terrible happens . Probably. Al probably. And dont forget, john kerry. He is a septuagenarian. If she should stumble for whatever reason, or have health problems, that bench is pretty weak. Jerry that is the most striking thing about this campaign on the democratic side. In many ways. There is no bench. I cant remember getting to a point in the National Political cycle where there were so few alternatives for either party. I think that is striking. But i do think Martin Omalley who is out there actually teeing off on hillary, that is a problem. He is articulating concerns that people in the party have that no one is willing to bring to the surface. Thats not nothing. Elf let me ask you both about the other candidate. Marco rubio Just Announced his candidacy. The conventional wisdom today is right, the toptier in a wideopen race would be jeb bush, scott walker, maybe ted cruz and rand paul. Can marco rubio join that crowd right away from the top . Karen he has a lot going for him. Jeb bush is taking up so much. The republican field works like the ncaa bracket. We are not totally sure what bracket rubio fits into, but in till until jeb bush looks like he cant go the distance, it will be hard for marco rubio to get his own footing. Al poll after poll shows the elites are crazy about jeb bush. A poll showed 32 of republicans and independents said they would never consider voting for jeb bush. That is an awfully high number. Karen i think the polls right now dont mean a lot. Because jeb bush has not established himself as anything but another bush. I think, again, if he is successful at establishing his own identity and rationale for running, that will be the big question that makes the rest of the field settle out. Al jerry, your take on any of this . But also, how you rate marco rubio . Jerry i think jeb bush is the favorite until proven otherwise. But i personally think marco rubio cant break into it. He can play into many of the brackets, which is his advantage. He is a tea Party Conservative in many ways. He has a familyfriendly tax plan that evangelicals will like. He speaks spanish. He and jeb bush can both check that off. He has established hawkish Foreign Policy credentials. Put that into the package and put it on the stage and he will look good. That doesnt mean he will get the nomination, but can he play in the upper tier . I think so. Al i hate to bring up karens ncaa brackets, but if you play the brackets, you may not be very formidable in any bracket. Rand paul has the libertarian bracket. Scott walker is the midwestern governor bracket. And jeb bush is the establishment bracket. He really has to crack that first bracket, doesnt he . Jerry he has to make the establishment comfortable enough with him as the alternative to jeb bush. If the front runner stumbles there is a rare amount of comfort among marco rubio among the establishment. Al karen, marco rubio is a firstterm senator. His only previous experience was in the state legislature. He is in his 40s. Havent we seen this movie before . The republicans dont like that film. Karen on top of that, the real issue is his role in the Senate Passing a comprehensive immigration bill. That, for a lot of republicans is a dealbreaker. Al it seems to me, jerry, not only did he create problems, but he has done not a 180, but a 160, if you will. That may put him in the worst of both worlds. Jerry that is a big problem. You cant get around that problem and they primary conversation. Just like you cant get around common core if you are jeb bush. I think youll have to explain it in a way that is credible to the base. Whether he can do that or not is an open question. He is bright and articulate. I think the biggest problem may well be the one he referred to the 43yearold one term senator. It will be hard for them to buy into that. Karen and there are two others in the race. The same problem that rand paul, and even more so, ted cruz, who is not even finished with his first term. Al i think rubio is a charismatic guy. Jerry he can say one thing that does matter. If there is a matchup against hillary, im the one republican who can say, we are about the future. She is about the past. And make that a credible argument. Al i was talking to a hillary person the other day, who said we are convinced that marco rubio will not get the nomination. If he does, he is our worst nightmare. I think that is the point you make about matchups. Jerry that is not an ideal matchup for them. Al jeb bush and Hillary Clinton, that is not ideal for either. But one thing we do know, if something occurs in the next few months, none of us have anticipated, and that as wide it is fun to cover this stuff. Karen that is why were here. Al we will be right back. Charlie steve jobs revolutionized the computer business. He then brought us the you iphone, the ipad, and much more. A new book argues that his experience after being fired rum apple in 1985 to his return in 1997 was critical in shaping the leader he became. It is called becoming steve jobs. I am pleased to have the authors, brent salit and rick tetzeli, at the table. Welcome. How did this book start . What made you write this . Rick i had always wanted to write something about steve. Because i had spent so much time with them. It is a big work. And, it is in important work too. Afterthought i thought maybe there is no room or what i know which is a different perspective. This is over a long. Of time. Charlie he was a different man . Brent i dont know if i would say that. Charlie steve cooperated with walter in his book. Brent steve cooperated with him, but the story that emerges in walters book did not always reflect some of the other sides of steve that not everybody gets to see. Charlie define the relationship you had so we understand the access you had. Or lack of access. Brent it was a standard reportersource relationship to begin with. We happened to be the same age and products of similar backgrounds both socioeconomically and intellectually. We both had similar hobbies and interests when we were kids. We actually had very parallel lives. We discovered that fairly early on. That made it easy to just be kind of, simpatico with him. Not every time i interviewed him what i write a story, because i worked for the wall street journal at that time. Just because he got a new, fancy logo did not mean we would run a story in the wall street journal. We didnt even run photos back then. I would see him, he would explain to me about this beautiful logo, and i wouldnt write anything about it. But, we developed a pretty good relationship, a rp with each other, and it evolved from there. Charlie help me unpack the steve jobs you saw. Rick we came to understand that his relationships were defined by the same incredible ability to prioritize that he brought to his business. One of the things that steve c