between the two armies is that the ukrainians care about their casualties. the russians seem to have a much more cavalier attitude. look at the people they just threw in to the withering fields of fire around bakhmut. now it looks as though they, they want to get bakhmut back, doesn't it? why? because we were always told it had no strategic advantage. and it does have no strategic advantage. bakhmut is an entirely symbolic struggle for both sides, so that when the russians finally took bakhmut, there were medal parades in moscow, there was a great sort of celebration of this victory. but it's a reversible victory. if they can undo that russian victory and say, that's the only thing you achieved in 12 months of fighting, and we've we've unwound that and taken it back, that's pretty embarrassing for putin and the kremlin. so it's really a psychological battle. a number of senior british