Transcripts For BBCNEWS Newsnight 20170427

White house. We are in detroit where the White Working Class voters still have their back. He spoke to their need for change. When he spoke they said, i will remember him. He said he would fix the problem and i demand to do it raced on my experience. He won over the hearts and minds of the many people. I remember one very Senior Minister telling me that if it was the last day of an Election Campaign, and he had a choice between canvassing a hall of residence or an old peoples home, you do the old peoples home any day because theyre the ones who are going to vote. Good evening. 23,000 deaths by Nitrogen Dioxide poisoning. A ruling today that the government cant block the clean air plan until after the general election. They claim publication would drop controversial bomb into the mix of local and national elections, but that didnt wash and after the local elections we will find out what theresa may plans to do about reducing dirty diesel, the main culprit. The mayor of london said he hoped the government would urgently introduce a Diesel Scrapping Fund to retails treats of the dirtiest cars and give financial incentives to buy clean vehicles. 0ther financial incentives to buy clean vehicles. Other cities across the country can set up poles for diesel cars. How does the government plan to clean up our air . It is as important a question as it is urgent. But ministers are fighting shy of providing any answers. By apm on monday they should have published their plan, but they asked the high court for a delay, until after the general election. The judge, though, agreed with the organisation that had taken them to court in the first place, client earth. The judge listened to claims it needed to delay, and he rejected them vigorously, and is keeping the government to the deadline to release the final plan on july 31. The judge was forthright about the cost of delays any plan, what did you make of that . Thejudge has read the evidence, and it was defras own evidence that up to a0,000 people a year die of Air Pollution in the uk. And what the judge said is merely because there is an election going on, doesnt trump the Public Health. This is not a political issue, one day of delay is important. Weeks or months is intolerable. That is what the judge decided and in my view he was right. Make no mistake this was a huge blow to the governments attempt to keep a lid on the growing scandal of Air Pollution. The judge was in fact contemptuous on the governments attempt to delay again the publication of a plan to clean up the air. He told them in terms to get on with it because delays mean people are dying. In hisjudgment, thejudge said a big contributor to this problem say researchers is the government encouraging drives to buy diesel cars because they produce less c02 than petrol cars. Diesel went from being under 10 of sales in 1995, to over half by the start of this decade. People who bought diesels in good faith need to transfer to clean vehicles, that is part of what needs to happen, hence the carefully crafted scrappage scheme, but it needs to happen, we need to get rid of diesel, Phase Out Diesel as soon as possible and ultimately petrol too. What we didnt know, is that the environmental test that diesel vehicles had to meet bore no relation to real world conditions so the amount of Nitrogen Dioxide they pumped out, was far in excess of what the government was expecting. For example, the amount of Nitrogen Dioxide measured by this testing site on londons Marylebone Road was double the eu legal limit last year. The governments problem is not so much presenting the plan as the price tag. Who is going to be made to pay . The people who made the diesel car, the people who drive them . Or the taxpayer . Either way, the best time to present such a massive bill is not right before a general election. One group that represents drivers fears that diesel owners will get punished for the simple reason they are the easiest to tax. 0nly10 of the problem comes from diesel cars. 90 comes from buses and trains and roadside construction equipment. Even, you are looking at boilers from commercial outlets in london. 90 of Nitrogen Dioxide comes from those source, only 10 comes from car, that what we are concern about. Those owners are all expected to pay a tax hike, and that is wrong. The government we are told hasnt decided what to do next. But, as things stand, ministers will have to publish their draft plan, injust 12 days time. Ed davey is a Liberal Democrat mp who served in the Coalition Government as Secretary Of State for energy and Climate Change from 2012 to 2015. Matthew pencharz was londons deputy mayor for Environment Energy under borisjohnson and now works in the sustainability industry. The statistics are shocking. Why does it need a court to make the government come clean on plans for diesel . Well, it is good question. Conservative ministers should be hanging their heads in shame. They have prevaricated, not taken action. They are trying to hide this from the electorate when this is a Public Health scanle. Scandal. People talk about Public Health issues but the Air Pollution, the damage it does to health, is bigger than the crisis of obesity and alcohol abuse, it is that significant. There was no justification for the delay, it was going to be some huge controversy if it came out before the general election, what could that be . I think your report sums it up. They dont want to go into an election, understandably, with punishing Diesel Drivers. That doesnt strike me as good governance. Politicians on the stump dont want to face as their 0c put it the tory tax on diesel plan. But we have known about this problem for years and since 2010 we have been nowhere near the eu limit so it a plague on all your houses, every politician, every adviser. The Liberal Democrats took this seriously. Vince cable made big steps forward with Electric Vehicles. Norman baker had The Green Bus fund. I did a lot on Energy Efficiency in homes because that is important, because a lot of the Nitrogen Dioxide comes from burning gas. So we took a big issue. Let us be clear, i would suggest the coalition was perhaps no better because the environmentmental Audit Committee in 201a said the government had failed to face the problem. You were the government. Well, we were the Liberal Democrat side of the government. You were the government. The Liberal Democrats took action, our conservative colleagues wouldnt. This, the people who are in charge of this failed to take it seriously. Norman baker did, i did, vince cable did. But you were impotent. We took action which helped but our colleagues time and again refused to act. You were the deputy mayor under Boris Johnson. What do you think the measures are in the draft plan . Well, the first thing i should say is that from my experience the Coalition Government didnt step up until it was forced to, in the Supreme Court round two years ago, and from my experience at city hall Liberal Democrat ministers were not. Were just as difficult to engage with, i guess than their conservative counter pars. We took action. Let me answer that point. Ive given you clear examples of actions we took. We took action but borisjohnson went to brussels to try to argue and make coalitions to undermine the european standards. So Boris Johnson, far from showing leadership, he tried to undermine action on Air Pollution. And of course, you know, 201a, from 2010 to 201a, you were so far behind in london, borisjohnson did not do enough to reduce emissions Nitrogen Dioxide. There is a few things i would like to challenge. The first about going to brussels to water down the rule, that wasnt true. When i went to brussels it was to get the diesel real World Driving tests to work properly. And we had a coalition of other heavily populated Industrial Areas of europe, around going to the commission, trying to get united action. You are not going to have to worry about that for much longer. Can we go back to the point. People would like to know, what will in you view be the principle measures in the draft plans . I think we will see more clean air zone, so we saw my former boss Boris Johnson create the ultra Low Emission Zone and kudos to sadiq khan is bringing forward, he is bringing them faster than we were going to. That is is a good thing. You will see the government bringing more clean air zones in. My concern is they are a bit of a blunt instrument. But the cost. I mean, what they seem to be suggesting is its not so much what you do. What is the cost of do deucing it . There is a huge cost on peoples health. There is an overall saving if you take it over a period of years and therefore the government cant hide behind cost, that is an excuse for not taking. But if, if the action is. Is going to be tough, and it comes out before the election, i assume the reason the government did not want this to come out before the election because it will have consequences, for the so called White Van Man who will be hit badly. Well, its right about the medical and Health Impacts and the cost to the nhs. And that will be spread widely across society. The difficult thing for the politician is that theyre bringing forward these diesel bans or charges, is you are imposing high costs on a relatively few number of people, so if you look at the impact assessments for the clean air zones, the original plan the High Court Ruled illegal, that was a billion pounds, if you look at what the Compliance Cost it was 250 million in one year. Very briefly is it wrong to go after Diesel Drivers . It was supposedly, according to the witness in that film, it was only 10 . Well, we can help Diesel Drivers go to Electric Vehicles but it is not just diesel cars, but its lorries, trains, other aspects if we are able to use less gas. And that will be in the plans . It is certainly Liberal Democrat plans. Thank you very much indeed. Well, lets turn to another potential headache for the conseratives ahead of the general election what should or should they not promise voters they will do on the amount of tax you pay . Nick watts here with some insight on their thoughts. Tax is one of the Big Dilemmas For G Tax is one of the big dilemmas for the conservatives. Tax is one of the big dilemmas for g conservatives. Philip badly he i hisifi. Badly he said he 7 , ~ badly he said he would. , ~ budget when he said he would lucas; budget when he said he would 44341135; the National Insurance increase the National Insurance contributions. He quickly withdrew that after he said it contradicted the last manifesto, which said there would be no increase in income tax ora would be no increase in income tax or a vat contributions. The chancellor wants to avoid what he regards as the transactional approach of his predecessor, but here is his dilemma, he does not want to make specific commitments, that would bind his hands, but he does need to make what allies are describing as measurable commitments to give him credibility as a low tax party, and to allow him to attack labour as a high tack party. So what might we see in the manifesto on tax . Might we have an echo of the formula that Philip Hammond helped George Osborne draw up in the years when they were in opposition before the financial crash, which was that a future conservative government would share the proceeds growth to fund tax cuts and spending increases but the Hammond Version would be simpler, it would say as the economy grows, the tax burden should fall, but, he may go a step further, there of the treasury, called fiscal drag. What that means is do you raise the threshold at which people pay higher tax and that means more people would pay that a0 higher tax rate. Thank you. 0n On Saturday donald trump will have been president and Commander In Chief for 100 days. Hes got very little legislation through congress and his approval lower than good, 32 , substantially lower than any modern president at i stage. Any modern president at this stage. But how is he faring among the Working Class white voters who ditched the democrats and propelled him to the white house on the ditched the democrats and propelled him to the White Hfgaitazn the ditched the democrats and propelled him to the White Hassltszn the i great steel mills, coolish. 0ur diplomatic editor mark bourbon has been to detroit, where voters put all their hopes in donald trump. If you want to see rusted out factories scattered like tombstones, start in detroit. Michigan voted twice for 0bama But Last November was critical to trumps victory. With its recent history of Industrial Decline, his make America Great again message carried the state. When they heard somebody say, im going to remember you, im going to speak directly to you, im going to fix the problem, im the man to do it based on my experience, he won over the hearts and minds of the tens of millions of people, and including the michiganders that turned the state red. Of course, in a neighbourhood like this in detroit many of the first 100 days issues that resonate in washington have no meaning whatsoever and if you come here looking for signs of buyers regret on the part of trump voters, youll be disappointed. In the post apocalyptic remains of detroits industrial heyday, Alan Hill Scavenges metal and looks to his president for change. People have faith in trump. The Previous Administration seemed to alienate peoples ideas and broke their dreams and trump has put a lot of faith back into the american dream. And out where they still produce vehicles in vast quantities, youll hear similar expressions of faith in the president. 50 of the Union Members in my plant voted for donald trump. Across the road from the ford plant where he works, i am 100 satisfied with Donald Trumps efforts to this point. I think he has fought very hard to do exactly what he pledged to do in terms of immigration policy, securing our borders, rebuilding our military. I have been very disappointed, however, with congress both democrats and republicans for them not being able to implement Donald Trumps legislative agenda. Most notably for his immigration executive orders. The largest Muslim Population in the country is in my district. Targeting people because of their faith, of religion, is really startling me. I know he talked about it, but you just dont understand how these communities are being divided with fear and hatred. But in some ways, its also communities coming together. Youve never seen them come together before, and that gives you a feeling of hope in some ways, but this isnt who america is. Issues of security, national and economic, have long run harmoniously together in this state. The Yankee Museum maintains this Pristine B 17 and it was here when it opened at willow run, michigan, that the Worlds Largest and theyre coming off the Assembly Line as fast as the fords used to. They constructed more than 8,000 liberator bombers here, applying the car industrys manufacturing methods to weapons of war. The fact of the matter was every 55 minutes an aircraft was coming off a production line, just in this plant alone, and germany, japan, our enemies in the mediterranean, type of production. Sniaseuassgewsmg ffi ~ 7 w this facility, this city and this nation will once again shine with industrial might. So this, its clear, is the trump style. A Permanent Campaign and a one man Assembly Line of extravagant promises. One reason why trump came to willow run is because here, on a part of the old bomb factory, theyre planning a Test Facility for the Automated Vehicles of the future. So what do those who met him think of trumps promise to bring thejobs back . I cant comment. I couldnt hazard a guess on what that would mean for jobs in the auto industry. I will say this, that if the technologys going to revolutionise the way that we move people and goods, and to that extent, if we dont focus on this technology, we will lose a lot more, a lot more jobs that are around engineering and making the system work, making vehicles work. Near the plant, the bomber diner serves up Bomber Burgers and a blitz of breakfast calories. Its popular with veterans and those who served have often been unimpressed with their new president s intemperate he said, who knew health care could be so complicated . Now hes saying, who knew that International Relations could be so complicated, who knew that korea or syria could be so complicated . Well, its extremely complicated. And so hes really done nothing in 100 days other than to get. C;. Fags41; ass. Put on the bench. So what, i asked the woman who ran Trumps Campaign in the state, should we make of the discarded promises or admissions that he hadnt realised it was all so complicated . Thats what the American People wanted. We wanted someone to say, wow, this is tougher than i imagined. I think that message of honesty speaks to the voters that elected him. For the president to say, this is tougher than i thought it was going to be, or im surprised by how complicated it is, i think that speaks to his to his strength as a man, as a person, to be able to say that. And if the issue of Preserving Americanjobs is paramount here now, what to make of this . Last month, General Motors started shedding more than 1,000 jobs at its michigan plant. Some are going elsewhere in the us but each new Factory Announcement now gets scrutinised as a success or failure for trump and the fight against globalisation. Youll hear any number of reasons advanced for why things like this are still happening. From the strength of the dollar, thats one that President Trump himself has used, to people here locally blaming uncompetitive trading practices by their rivals, dumping of goods, cheaper production elsewhere, all of that but which also now informs the debate in a place like this, where even some leading members of the Democratic Party are echoing the president s protectionist language. What we need is a level Playing Field so we need to make sure that people arent manipulating their currency. Thats what i want to see. I want to see currency manipulation enforcement. Now, im hearing you as a democrat congresswoman effectively urging trump to remain true to his campaign platform. But go look, youll find me in august of 2015, saying donald trump was exciting people. And i think that people and i dont agree with him on many things hes done but my responsibility is to work for the Working Men And Women in our districts. And if hes going to do something thats going to fix bad trade policies, myjob is to work with him to do that. Viewed from michigan or middle american generally, the effort to revive the economy and Protectjobs Form the central from demonstrating hes found the answers. Mark, we saw there trump voters standing by their man. And were getting a clearer sense of his plan to kick start the economy. Absolutely. If you are in a place like michigan, you think, how can you really reverse the tide of Industrial Decline . One of the key answers unveiled this week is an ambitious plan for tax reform. Its being billed as the most ambitious ever. From 35 of profit to just 15 . To cut personal taxation bands from 7 to 3 , thats to reduce the overall burden of taxation. They argue that if they cut these corporate taxes, in profits overseas, will repatriate those monies, the tax take will go up and offset the fact that by cutting it to 15 , you have a massive decrease in tax. And that that money, as it is repatriated, could also be used to Fund Research and development and new factories and all the rest of it. That is their message but many republicans in the senate and congress dont believe that message. They feel that this is a dangerous gamble, that the loss of tax that, if you like, will be the central gamble of the trump platform to revive the economy. Mark, thank you. Now viewsnight, the part of the programme designed to get under your skin. Where strong views are mandatory. While the Manifesto Writers are wrestling with what to promise and not to promise afterjune 8th, one of David Camerons former speechwriters, the commentator julian glover, suggests a radical way to make our highways super. Its time to pay as you drive. No one likes roads. There are no fans of the m25. That was julian glover, who is also director of the wolfson economics prize, which this year is looking at ideas of how to pay for better roads. In the 2015 election, as per usual fewer young people voted than any other age Group Following an established trend. And the chasm was at its deepest between the youngest and the oldest so a3 of 18 2as put a paper in the ballot box, as against a whopping 78 of over 65s. The writer and satirist Armando Iannucci has become so exercised about this disconnect, that hes been trying to brew up a twitter storm, with a campaign to get Three Million 18 2a year olds to register to vote before the deadline of may 22nd. One of his tweets ran thus i beg you on my gnarled and brittle knees, register to vote, then vote. I spoke earlier to the man who likes to make a mockery of politicians about his desperation to get young people to vote for them. I asked him whether he really believed that young people held this election in their hands. I think its important that young people engage as much as possible in the election, because if they dont, they lose. If you look at how politics has conducted itself over the 20 years, the young vote has gone down, so a lot fewer voters between 18 and 2a vote than, say, voters over 65, so as a result people over 65 are courted by politicians. I remember one very Senior Minister telling me that if it was the last day of an Election Campaign and he had a choice between canvassing a hall of residence or an old peoples home, you do the old peoples home any day because theyre the ones who are going to vote. And as a result, young people have been abused by the system. Its young people who have had their, you know, their housing benefit cut, their education maintenance allowance cut, theyre not part of the living wage until age 25, theyre an easy target. So the more young people vote, irrespective of who they vote for, the more they have something that politicians are after, which is a vote. But dont you want young people to vote in a particular way . So you would like young people, i would imagine, to vote for remain candidates, or tactically vote for a main candidate. You only want them to vote if they vote your way. No, no, no, this is how democracy works. I have no idea how theyll vote. I saw one opinion poll that showed that young people might split more in favour of the tories this election. Do you know what . Id rather they voted than they didnt vote. Its also about how politics is going to function in the future. If politicians rely more and more on the fewer and fewer people who do come out in elections, it does mean that a larger percentage of the population are just ignored and forgotten about. So should young people be allowed to vote at 16, as they did in the Scottish Referendum . Yes, initially when that was announced in scotland, i was a bit concerned, but the level of debate, the excitement and also the fact that 16 and 17 year olds for the first time felt really involved in fundamentally important decisions about their countrys future, really galvanised an interest in politics, so i am all for opening that up. David cameron was given the opportunity to allow 16, 17 year olds to vote in the Eu Referendum and he said no, because he was thinking about how it might affect the tory vote of the future. If he had said yes, then he may well be Prime Minister still. But dont people 65 plus have as a legitimate right to have their views heard as people under 25 . Yes, absolutely. I am not suggesting they stay in. I am also saying, if you think none of the above, then spoil your paper, i dont care, ijust want you to get out and register, because as soon as you register you have that one thing that a politician needs off you, which is a vote. Isnt there a terrific irony in this you have spent much of your life writing brilliant satire about the terrible state our politicians are in, you know, the thick of it here, veep in america, satirising politicians for being venal, being stupid, pursuing their own agendas, so you kind of undermine politics in a way. People say why should i care about them . Well, no. What has happened there is i have responded to that in my own way, which is through doing things like the thick of it. I think you cannot change politics if you are angry like ive been angry about the state of politics, but if you care about politics as much as i care, you have to do something, and i think that something must start with at least registering, showing an interest, and then getting out and voting. Are you are putting your hand on your heart and saying it doesnt matter to you if every Single Person between 18 and 25 was, for example, to vote for theresa may, it wouldnt matter to you . Well, i would be surprised. A british Prime Minister, if they have a massive majority, have total power, so i would say even though the headlines are saying huge majorities are inevitable, if young people are looking for a reason to try and make any kind of a difference, then at the very least they might be interested in seeing that majority, that total power, that sort of elected dictatorship, as lord hailsham once described it, is minimised. Here we are, here you are, and why should young people listen to you . They know, they have made up their minds, they understand politics, they understand the system, they dont necessarily want you to tell them what to do . Of course, and im not going to tell them what to do. You invited me on the programme, i didnt ring up to ask. Absolutely. But you have been tweeting like crazy. Yes, well, you have been reading my tweets and responding. I always do. So here you are, armando ianucci, who is an italian scot, who lives near london, who plies his trade sometimes across the atlantic, what kind of britain you want to live in . I want to live in a britain that has a fully functioning democracy. I have been writing for some time about how people are frustrated by i mean we now have a system, we still have a system where by in the last election, 37 of the people who voted, voted conservative. And yet they gain a majority, a working majority of, with other parties, of about 20. Listening to when theresa may announced the election, and said she was announcing it because parliament couldnt agree with her on serious legislation. Now that sounded to me like how a proper Functioning Demock should work, and the fact she could casually announce that as a flaw in the system, that needs to be corrected, and ask for a mandate that allows her to get whatever she wants, without opposition, i find a worrying trend. Do you see a possibility of a satirical episode in that . Well, lets see how it plays out in front of us in reality first. So are you ready to go back into Television Satire . At some point, yes. In britain . Who knows . I just want to get this election out of the way first. Thank you very much indeed. Well, im nowjoined by shakira martin, whojust yesterday won the election to become the new president of the National Union of students. First of all, lets deal with national politics. Politicians are observed with older people. Lets take Something Like the triple lock and pensions which Jeremy Corbyn has waded too much. The triple lock on pensions guarantees them 2. 5 increase a year, why not campaign to take that away from pensioner, and use it for increasing apprenticeship wages, reducing tuition fees, making affordable rents for young people, why not take that and say dont spend it there, spend it here . So i think there is a few things. Pensioners go out and vote it is a guaranteed vote, so when elections are happening, they are guaranteed to come out so they need to have a promise, to the older generation, and that is through pension. That is a kind of chicken and egg, because actually, they pander to them, you could say, because they come out and vote, but if young people voted they might pander to you. There is a few things, it is about making Politics Engagele and relatable to young people. Many young people students i speak to they find politics unrelatable when they see politicians speaking they dont look like them, they dont sound like them, they dont see how the link is related to their every day life. They are disenfranchised in politics. Do they think that because of the way politics are conducted on Student Campuses because it is narrow and niche and things like trans issue, no platforming, cultural appropriation, that is, it i would say it doesnt brook broad argument, it looks like, you know, you cant afford to argue with this or you will be struck down. I think it is more simple. Before we can get young people to understand the importance of Freedom Of Speech, we need to get them to understand the importance of shaping their generation and the society they would like to live in, and the importance of you know, them exercising their democratic right by voting and that is the way in which they can make change. But, do you think that young people, particularly people on campus who need to be more thick skinned about People Holding different views, so someone like Germaine Greer should be invited to universities. I believe we should encourage healthy debate, and a place for university should be a place for people to learn, as the nus is supporting students unions in doing so. Is there too much on, in you know, colleges and in university, too much intolerance to views that dont support your own . I think that there is is a need for some healthy discussion, and we need to promote the importance of bringing people together, to have healthy debate and respecting differences, and Freedom Of Speech but coming up with Solutions Together to be able to make change. You are President Elect of one of the biggest trade unions in this country, i would think that you should be the heart of this election, your policies should be something that politicians court, need to talk to you about things so for example, you know we hear that on tuition fee, tuition fees are going to be increased, there wont be a commensurate increase in standards but on the question of tuition fees where is your big platform that you as leader, President Elect of a union will take out and make politicians listen to you . So it is about getting young people to get the argument first and understand the importance of free education. I think there is a lot of young people in colleges who will be going on to university or sixth form who dont understand the argument, who dont know when they are making choices about universities that is different values with the proposal of the bill and i am proud of the work that my current Vice President has done, in separating the links between raising tuition fees and quality, we think that students should be entitled to high quality but not at the detriment of the you can afford it or not. They are not registered to vote. Isnt it yourjob make them do that . It is definitely ourjob to go out there and represent them nationally as a National Union of student, it is something we have to do collectively. We have to work with communities and organisation, giving political education and citizenship education to let young people understand the importance of voting, and how that influences and shapes a theirfuture. Just one front page, the eu signal of United Ireland stokes fears for post brexit uk. European leaders are recognising, confirming that Northern Ireland would rejoin the block after brexit in the event of a vote for irish reunification. Thats it for tonight. We end with news of the death at the age of 86 of leo baxendale, the legendary cartoonist from the beano, who, back in the 1950s, originally created minnie the minx, little plum, and, most enduringly, the bash street kids. Here they are at the height of their politically incorrect fame. Goodnight. Music boys dont cry by the cure. Hello once again. Spring played out in one day across the british isles. That was thursday. Yes, glorious for some. But for others, my word, at its best 15 degrees. Five for all places and plenty of sunshine. Elsewhere, more cloud and just about enoughin elsewhere, more cloud and just about enough in the way of showery rain to dampen the ground. Not much more than that. There you can see the general drift of that figure band of cloud. Its an old weather front. Still got about enough to produce some bits and pieces of rain. It dampens the ground, but it wont sort out the lack of rainfall that has been in recent weeks across southern counties. That feature will make such a difference to the start of friday as opposed to thursday, where there was quite a hard frost in many areas. But i suspect friday morning will bejust in many areas. But i suspect friday morning will be just in positive territory for many. And for that you have to thank that old weather front which has still got quite a bit of cloud about it and enough about it indeed for there to be the odd showery burst. Not much more than that. If you are desperate for rain this is not that we do for you. Elsewhere in eastern parts there will be decent sunshine. As the day gets going to cloud will fill in and that may have enough about it for the odd spot of rain. But you can see on a grand scale it is essentially a decent enough day and a dry one at that. Then we often run into the dank holiday weekend, breezy, milder than of late and we have some rain. But it is only some rain and you can see that the general tenor is for saturday another pretty windy one. A breeze in western areas. It is coming from the south. Even the north of scotla nd the south. Even the north of scotland could have 12 or 13 degrees. Yes, there was a breeze and rain in the forecast. There is some uncertainty. I know it is the dank holiday. Windy, but quite where that rain will fall is open to some conjecture. Low pressure somewhere in the south western corner, but just how far north and east that rain goes and how quickly, stay tuned to the forecast over the next couple of days, because there is some variability on that. If you have plans for sunday watch out. Then that gets out of the way for the most part on monday. More details as ever right there. Im in singapore, the headlines kimjong un is not insane, so says the us Secretary Of State Rex Tillerson as he prepares to chair a Un Security Council meeting on north korea. A chilling discovery at a Police Station in manila, Human Rights Officers find more than ten undocumented prisoners in a secret lock up cell. Im Babita Sharma in london. Also in the programme the trade in donkey skin. Its driven by demand in china and is pushing some african communities into poverty and despair