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On vaccines are picked particular wolf that the use of father restrictions in the u. K. The virus the subject in many countries around the world people are telling them bones to vaccines and the chief medical officer in the england said 6 months was an estimate and got direct questions from family buns and from maggie checky who say do you think are a covered 1000 vaccine will be available so over to you christmas. I was speaking this week with one of Cambridge Universitys foremost experts on this gordon doogan who is a vaccine ologist is an Award Winning vax knowledge just and he has brought to the clinical coalface a number of vaccines over the course of his career and i asked him this very question last week and said with a fair wind behind it whats the most optimistic projection he said to me hes thinking realistically probably 2120 in 2021 june so it might be as long as 9 months to go yet the government themselves have said that we might see some vaccine available before christmas on a small scale basis this might be just part of a trial or whatever but really to scale this up to get it to the number of people who need it and do it in a safe way is still going to take quite a bit of time so thats why i think the projection of june 2021 is not unreasonable pressure given government a lot of caught in the. Valor of the questions a boat vaccine but asking in the case a lot of there are 450 people dying from cancer these day prior to the pandemic one of the predictions for the power to or the lack of screening in the inability to pursue treatment as you would normally do invite us how long is the process of strain mutation in the virus of the scale and and what implications does that have for for a vaccine how does the the balance for the treatments of normal. If able theyre that chess with the concentration of finding a vaccine solution to this fund them well taken out 1st question already then theres no question a toll that we are definitely seeing the Health Impacts more broadly of the lock that in treating coated and i was to speaking with my colleagues only recently were seeing people presenting to emotions the palms now with disseminated cancers at the pats would have been treated through curable if picked up 7 months ago because theyve not been able to see that doctors or theyve not been able to get in the hospitals for assessment and another colleague in Palliative Care says the same thing without getting overwhelmed with palliation now of people who otherwise might have been treatable so its a good point we must remember that whilst we are all trying to save the lives of coated patients there really is a genuine big impact going on in the general population would treat diseases such as cancer those are not getting treated that is a balance that we do have to address on the issue of the mutation viruses all mutate in fact who genomes new to it we know that there are vast numbers of minor variations in this virus already the one that was most dominant was known as a g d change its one of my no acid in the spike protein protein uses to attach to cells and the one thats now dominant is not the one that came originally out of hand it seems as if this g. Variant is a little bit more infectious it gave it just enough of an edge to become the dominant form so my guess is yes it will mutate it will change in an activity possibly in its severity over time its hard to know at what point and if and when that just changes the efficacy of a vaccine and crisper piro. Emailing him from south africa he asked that question what is the rate of covered 1000. 00 mutations with other viable strains in the wild we have for example the famous and the one strains should we be watching with patient rate plus other not a perfect new via. How long therefore with the vaccine remain effect of push push push it out of the peter actually the biggest fly in the ointment is the fact that we dont make very long term immunity to coronaviruses if we compare this new coronavirus to the existing coronaviruses that just naturally circulates in humans there are 4 other coronaviruses that scores cold like symptoms but one of them infects our cells in a very similar way to the new corona virus so we can use that as Something Like a proxy marker for whats likely to be the case with this new virus what we can do is knowing that these viruses might not drive very powerful immune response when you catch them we can make sure our vaccines do and there are various ways to do that by adding chemicals called adji of thems to the vaccine that give your immune system a kick up the backside so that you make a more profound response than the natural infection does hopefully conferring longer term protection but at the moment we just dont know or that brings us neatly on to the questions of treatment because poor fernandes writing in for from spin says why are most of the efforts the Mainstream Media coverage she says are focused on finding a vaccine where we dont know anything of a little about other treatments and medicines every chance of failing and effect of treatment soon so what ive been that vances and in treating this the virus in the last 6 months or so there is good news on the treatment front and its a good news story that comes worldwide also particularly in Great Britain where our National Health service is very well integrated has a fantastic leadership in research and it allowed us to do some trials very quickly and very effectively with great power to try to find things that worked the 1st of those actually that really was much more generic around the world as we realized a lot of the severity of or most of the sudden deaths we saw in hospital releasing to blood clots that wasnt something we do trial or we identified it very quickly and patients now were admitted to hospital will now be given my. Higher doses of blood thinning asians than they were before and now the patients were seeing in hospital all get that routinely and were picking up clots much much earlier and that in itself is going to make a big difference the 2nd 2 studies out of Great Britain we have to run the recovery in one call remount cap and they identify the same signal that low doses of steroids which are anti inflammatory drugs and a very very cheap make a very big difference they reduce death rates in intensive care admissions by around 30 percent and in medicine that is a really really big effect of any drug this is cheap very safe to give and highly effective and finally there was a study out of the United States with a trickle theres a fear that short and sometimes thats volatile over 4 days we dont have a really strong signal for mortality this in the n. H. S. At the moment most patients who are severely ill of getting both steroids x. Nothins and or hydrocortisone last rendez if again i think that with the answer calculation will make a difference now those platforms are still running in britain we fortunately had a big drop in admissions and actually though the downside that has been we have not had enough patients to be able to start expanding our knowledge of whats afaik effective numbers are going back up again and those trials are still recruiting and there are other trials ongoing around the world that will produce new treatments so its a good news story in many ways weve got some big wins already and i think there will be more coming as these other trials particular probably there are large case numbers start reporting so dont of the big question here then here if youre caught if you are lucky and fortunate enough to catch covered no. September 2020 as your chances of surviving it if you go into hospital much better than they were in february or march we dont know but i think that would be the case we certainly saw a signal over time during the 1st wave thats intensive care mortality for. As time progressed now about my party being organizational because one we were swamped to the beginning and that was very difficult to manage just organizationally but actually we did in the last about for instance the use of and to try to get a child comes to be certain to make a difference so yes i think from the trial data from steroids to there will be a much aggressive chance of surviving if ones admitted to hospital or to an intensive care unit just because that is not what is driving the reportedly quotes mortality rate case the moment this isnt because were better at treating it this is largely because the page were testing a lot of people back to there are much lower risk foods. Regarding the tension between drug treatments and vaccines the other thing to bear in mind here is that prevention is always better than cure and what a vaccine offers us is the ability to defend ourselves not just today not tomorrow not next year but for years to come and as the World Health Organization of pointed out many times this is this problem is not going away any time soon theres at least 5 years of the present predicament to run and thereafter we fully anticipate this new coronavirus is going to settle down and become an endemic human infection is going to continue to circulate joining the other car dray of coronaviruses that cause seasonal infections in humans and therefore its likely we are going to need to prevent this sort of infection or at least the severe manifestations of it in at least a susceptible population all over the world in years to come and that means that having a vaccine that does that does that reliably and does that safely is a huge potential win and will enormously tipped the balance in our favor in the future while acute drugs for managing the crisis here now are very important and lots of investments going into trying to find them including cutting Edge Technologies im talking to colleagues who have got very clever ways of using Artificial Intelligence learning systems to look at how when viruses going to cells they change the spectrum of genes that are turned on and turned off in a cell and they can marry that pattern up with the changes that different drugs produce and theyre using the argument well if a drug produces the mirror image changes in the gene profile in a cell that the virus does perhaps that drug could interact with that virus and stop it growing so people are looking at enormous numbers of drugs that we already have on the shelves to see if they can see these sorts of matches and that will help us here and now but one must never take your eye off the longer term because this problem is not going to go away and therefore having a long term solution. And that will work well before we get anyone in such extreme Health Conditions that theyre going to need help unfortunately im trying not trying to do our business you but you know thats going to be the really really critical thing here which is why investment in a vaccine is very important. Join us after the break alex asks our top experts what the future holds when will this contagion finally join us in. Your segregated along by social class lost in the past people to also in poverty by 1st place if youre born into a poor family if youre born into a minority family if youre born into a family that only has a single parent that really constrains your life chances people die on average 15 years old if youre born into generational poverty. Its a tough fight every day she you meet your needs and the needs of your family. Welcome to maximize your financial survival guide. Looking forward to your pension account. This is what happens to pensions in britain dont let this happen you watch kaiser report. Welcome back alex is in conversation with professor human body chair of intensive care unit at University College london and dr chris smith for all the just id cambridge university. But it will have a lot of questions about immunity and scott want to know how many people have a complete immunity to disease so the complete easy dont know we dont know what Community Mean at the community does exist and the state does exist im quite certain that this where how complete it is how long it lasts i dont know and we do know that the current a virus does mount a significant immune response your body just defend itself and it does that in a couple of ways it makes these chemicals called antibodies which are proteins that jumps to the vowel sound and help your body attack that cell so if you want my guess my guess is that you do get some degree of affected immunity but quite at what level of antibodies you need and how long you see last i dont know a christmas j. T. Us just a direct question that has been alluded to after contracting covered 19 are we have mutant of the seas lots of people want to go thats of that question if you get it one skin together again you alluded to that earlier but you also said this disease could be endemic in the population what do you mean by that we dont know what proportion of people will have long term immunity having had natural infection with this corona virus and as we are beginning to see alarmingly there are people who were sufficiently ill with it the 1st time around to take them off to hospital they recovered but then they have been confirmed as catching it again and its not just that the virus looked in their body we can prove genetically that theyve been infected with a new strain of the virus or a new variant of the virus proving that the immunity that you make at least in some people is short lived now on the subject of pandemics versus epidemics and so at the moment this is a pandemic came from one corner of china as far as we know it has eclipsed the entire world and now were dealing with it but will it switch to become an endemic infection we think it. Probably will endemic means its effectively tied up bound up and circulating relentlessly within a population yes we think thats the case are the good examples of this h. I. V. Has caused a pandemic it came from one corner of africa it spread to involve the entire world its now endemic in the human race so thats a good example of a pandemic virus that was a newly emerging infection that then has become and in demick infection an endemic relentless problem in the human race so one last question for you start if you really in this great struggle the mast and between the virus and the one on the science and medicine and the other whos going to come out top. Weve got to remember that weve had 3 emerging diseases in only 17 years is partly due to the way we treat our Natural Environments and Animal Husbandry and so forth this wont be the last unless we start changing the way back you behave there will be more of these and well go round this circle again so its a cause why arms echoing what chris said earlier on prevention you know announce a prevention is worth a pound of cure lets not take a rocket ball lets start changing the way we treat our Natural Environment to try to stop these emergencies at the current quite safely quinten pregnant because 3 in 17 years is quite a lot part of the smurfs really the take home message is if we want to prevent this again we have to look beyond just how we cure the present problem but what the mechanism is of the present problem and the mechanism of fortune is is our fault and it is not a coincidence that these diseases are emerging from areas where there have been big population explosions history keeps repeating itself we saw the same thing happen with the vote on the a boner outbreak of 2030 and 40 that occurred in parts of africa where theyve been a 500 percent increase in population so our target is to look at sustainability we absolutely have to look at making sure we exist sustainably and we have more respect for the Natural World and the animals in it to avoid these kind of jumps in future because otherwise its absolutely certain the viruses will win dr chris murphy professor of human government thank you so much for sharing your knowledge announcing of your questions thank you thank you. With the search for a vaccine still ongoing and treatment still developing it is Public Health initiatives which have taken the strain of vitus control alex asked the new president of the British Medical Association professor heidi buttons whether they knew to plant they can hold the bite is it baby and why some kind to succeeded and by some i feeling. So are they joined from. Glasgow by professor hardy above as the newly elected president of the British Medical Association many congratulations holiday thank you very much for cough our 1st question from lily she says how long can that is some to mattick katty have coffee and spread this virus is that one of the big challenges of complan call that its simply part of the pattern of spread of the virus the 14 day limit i think its probably not you know right definition no one knows if someone is he said to magic walk in a boat never tested you dont know if theyve been spreading the virus but by the way theyre why hes counsel is it if you post a script definitely has this or is it just so brazenly for 2 weeks and youre a slave its a spacey not at the time a skull and thinking about scotland and specifically says how can we deal with if we cant control a badass doesnt that mean continual cross infection yet thats thats an issue that ive hared a number of debates about the paradigm republic we say that we really need to. Stop people from coming in and i know of the same thats a relatively minor tribute to the strange weve got enough infectious people within our borders just to be and the way in which theyre behaving in terms of not socially distancing you know goods that pop in rap into saying thats whats driving the increase in cases and so yes it is an issue but its probably not be crime issue thats driving the crease in the number of cases just is strained within show as it takes a look at a car i says and shes very suspicious she says considering the history of man must have always been the controlling the main opposition. Well be this as a possible that history is repeating in a sophisticated modern way to stop more control over all mankind suspicions justify how to i dont think so not unless of course. Pangolin is as be agent since Authority Government or whatever one of the things it needs to come out of this is rolling back the destruction of Natural Habitats they claim an emergency is a really serious Cambridge Universitys<\/a> foremost experts on this gordon doogan who is a vaccine ologist is an Award Winning<\/a> vax knowledge just and he has brought to the clinical coalface a number of vaccines over the course of his career and i asked him this very question last week and said with a fair wind behind it whats the most optimistic projection he said to me hes thinking realistically probably 2120 in 2021 june so it might be as long as 9 months to go yet the government themselves have said that we might see some vaccine available before christmas on a small scale basis this might be just part of a trial or whatever but really to scale this up to get it to the number of people who need it and do it in a safe way is still going to take quite a bit of time so thats why i think the projection of june 2021 is not unreasonable pressure given government a lot of caught in the. Valor of the questions a boat vaccine but asking in the case a lot of there are 450 people dying from cancer these day prior to the pandemic one of the predictions for the power to or the lack of screening in the inability to pursue treatment as you would normally do invite us how long is the process of strain mutation in the virus of the scale and and what implications does that have for for a vaccine how does the the balance for the treatments of normal. If able theyre that chess with the concentration of finding a vaccine solution to this fund them well taken out 1st question already then theres no question a toll that we are definitely seeing the Health Impacts<\/a> more broadly of the lock that in treating coated and i was to speaking with my colleagues only recently were seeing people presenting to emotions the palms now with disseminated cancers at the pats would have been treated through curable if picked up 7 months ago because theyve not been able to see that doctors or theyve not been able to get in the hospitals for assessment and another colleague in Palliative Care<\/a> says the same thing without getting overwhelmed with palliation now of people who otherwise might have been treatable so its a good point we must remember that whilst we are all trying to save the lives of coated patients there really is a genuine big impact going on in the general population would treat diseases such as cancer those are not getting treated that is a balance that we do have to address on the issue of the mutation viruses all mutate in fact who genomes new to it we know that there are vast numbers of minor variations in this virus already the one that was most dominant was known as a g d change its one of my no acid in the spike protein protein uses to attach to cells and the one thats now dominant is not the one that came originally out of hand it seems as if this g. Variant is a little bit more infectious it gave it just enough of an edge to become the dominant form so my guess is yes it will mutate it will change in an activity possibly in its severity over time its hard to know at what point and if and when that just changes the efficacy of a vaccine and crisper piro. Emailing him from south africa he asked that question what is the rate of covered 1000. 00 mutations with other viable strains in the wild we have for example the famous and the one strains should we be watching with patient rate plus other not a perfect new via. How long therefore with the vaccine remain effect of push push push it out of the peter actually the biggest fly in the ointment is the fact that we dont make very long term immunity to coronaviruses if we compare this new coronavirus to the existing coronaviruses that just naturally circulates in humans there are 4 other coronaviruses that scores cold like symptoms but one of them infects our cells in a very similar way to the new corona virus so we can use that as Something Like<\/a> a proxy marker for whats likely to be the case with this new virus what we can do is knowing that these viruses might not drive very powerful immune response when you catch them we can make sure our vaccines do and there are various ways to do that by adding chemicals called adji of thems to the vaccine that give your immune system a kick up the backside so that you make a more profound response than the natural infection does hopefully conferring longer term protection but at the moment we just dont know or that brings us neatly on to the questions of treatment because poor fernandes writing in for from spin says why are most of the efforts the Mainstream Media<\/a> coverage she says are focused on finding a vaccine where we dont know anything of a little about other treatments and medicines every chance of failing and effect of treatment soon so what ive been that vances and in treating this the virus in the last 6 months or so there is good news on the treatment front and its a good news story that comes worldwide also particularly in Great Britain<\/a> where our National Health<\/a> service is very well integrated has a fantastic leadership in research and it allowed us to do some trials very quickly and very effectively with great power to try to find things that worked the 1st of those actually that really was much more generic around the world as we realized a lot of the severity of or most of the sudden deaths we saw in hospital releasing to blood clots that wasnt something we do trial or we identified it very quickly and patients now were admitted to hospital will now be given my. Higher doses of blood thinning asians than they were before and now the patients were seeing in hospital all get that routinely and were picking up clots much much earlier and that in itself is going to make a big difference the 2nd 2 studies out of Great Britain<\/a> we have to run the recovery in one call remount cap and they identify the same signal that low doses of steroids which are anti inflammatory drugs and a very very cheap make a very big difference they reduce death rates in intensive care admissions by around 30 percent and in medicine that is a really really big effect of any drug this is cheap very safe to give and highly effective and finally there was a study out of the United States<\/a> with a trickle theres a fear that short and sometimes thats volatile over 4 days we dont have a really strong signal for mortality this in the n. H. S. At the moment most patients who are severely ill of getting both steroids x. Nothins and or hydrocortisone last rendez if again i think that with the answer calculation will make a difference now those platforms are still running in britain we fortunately had a big drop in admissions and actually though the downside that has been we have not had enough patients to be able to start expanding our knowledge of whats afaik effective numbers are going back up again and those trials are still recruiting and there are other trials ongoing around the world that will produce new treatments so its a good news story in many ways weve got some big wins already and i think there will be more coming as these other trials particular probably there are large case numbers start reporting so dont of the big question here then here if youre caught if you are lucky and fortunate enough to catch covered no. September 2020 as your chances of surviving it if you go into hospital much better than they were in february or march we dont know but i think that would be the case we certainly saw a signal over time during the 1st wave thats intensive care mortality for. As time progressed now about my party being organizational because one we were swamped to the beginning and that was very difficult to manage just organizationally but actually we did in the last about for instance the use of and to try to get a child comes to be certain to make a difference so yes i think from the trial data from steroids to there will be a much aggressive chance of surviving if ones admitted to hospital or to an intensive care unit just because that is not what is driving the reportedly quotes mortality rate case the moment this isnt because were better at treating it this is largely because the page were testing a lot of people back to there are much lower risk foods. Regarding the tension between drug treatments and vaccines the other thing to bear in mind here is that prevention is always better than cure and what a vaccine offers us is the ability to defend ourselves not just today not tomorrow not next year but for years to come and as the World Health Organization<\/a> of pointed out many times this is this problem is not going away any time soon theres at least 5 years of the present predicament to run and thereafter we fully anticipate this new coronavirus is going to settle down and become an endemic human infection is going to continue to circulate joining the other car dray of coronaviruses that cause seasonal infections in humans and therefore its likely we are going to need to prevent this sort of infection or at least the severe manifestations of it in at least a susceptible population all over the world in years to come and that means that having a vaccine that does that does that reliably and does that safely is a huge potential win and will enormously tipped the balance in our favor in the future while acute drugs for managing the crisis here now are very important and lots of investments going into trying to find them including cutting Edge Technologies<\/a> im talking to colleagues who have got very clever ways of using Artificial Intelligence<\/a> learning systems to look at how when viruses going to cells they change the spectrum of genes that are turned on and turned off in a cell and they can marry that pattern up with the changes that different drugs produce and theyre using the argument well if a drug produces the mirror image changes in the gene profile in a cell that the virus does perhaps that drug could interact with that virus and stop it growing so people are looking at enormous numbers of drugs that we already have on the shelves to see if they can see these sorts of matches and that will help us here and now but one must never take your eye off the longer term because this problem is not going to go away and therefore having a long term solution. And that will work well before we get anyone in such extreme Health Conditions<\/a> that theyre going to need help unfortunately im trying not trying to do our business you but you know thats going to be the really really critical thing here which is why investment in a vaccine is very important. Join us after the break alex asks our top experts what the future holds when will this contagion finally join us in. Your segregated along by social class lost in the past people to also in poverty by 1st place if youre born into a poor family if youre born into a minority family if youre born into a family that only has a single parent that really constrains your life chances people die on average 15 years old if youre born into generational poverty. Its a tough fight every day she you meet your needs and the needs of your family. Welcome to maximize your financial survival guide. Looking forward to your pension account. This is what happens to pensions in britain dont let this happen you watch kaiser report. Welcome back alex is in conversation with professor human body chair of intensive care unit at University College<\/a> london and dr chris smith for all the just id cambridge university. But it will have a lot of questions about immunity and scott want to know how many people have a complete immunity to disease so the complete easy dont know we dont know what Community Mean<\/a> at the community does exist and the state does exist im quite certain that this where how complete it is how long it lasts i dont know and we do know that the current a virus does mount a significant immune response your body just defend itself and it does that in a couple of ways it makes these chemicals called antibodies which are proteins that jumps to the vowel sound and help your body attack that cell so if you want my guess my guess is that you do get some degree of affected immunity but quite at what level of antibodies you need and how long you see last i dont know a christmas j. T. Us just a direct question that has been alluded to after contracting covered 19 are we have mutant of the seas lots of people want to go thats of that question if you get it one skin together again you alluded to that earlier but you also said this disease could be endemic in the population what do you mean by that we dont know what proportion of people will have long term immunity having had natural infection with this corona virus and as we are beginning to see alarmingly there are people who were sufficiently ill with it the 1st time around to take them off to hospital they recovered but then they have been confirmed as catching it again and its not just that the virus looked in their body we can prove genetically that theyve been infected with a new strain of the virus or a new variant of the virus proving that the immunity that you make at least in some people is short lived now on the subject of pandemics versus epidemics and so at the moment this is a pandemic came from one corner of china as far as we know it has eclipsed the entire world and now were dealing with it but will it switch to become an endemic infection we think it. Probably will endemic means its effectively tied up bound up and circulating relentlessly within a population yes we think thats the case are the good examples of this h. I. V. Has caused a pandemic it came from one corner of africa it spread to involve the entire world its now endemic in the human race so thats a good example of a pandemic virus that was a newly emerging infection that then has become and in demick infection an endemic relentless problem in the human race so one last question for you start if you really in this great struggle the mast and between the virus and the one on the science and medicine and the other whos going to come out top. Weve got to remember that weve had 3 emerging diseases in only 17 years is partly due to the way we treat our Natural Environment<\/a>s and Animal Husbandry<\/a> and so forth this wont be the last unless we start changing the way back you behave there will be more of these and well go round this circle again so its a cause why arms echoing what chris said earlier on prevention you know announce a prevention is worth a pound of cure lets not take a rocket ball lets start changing the way we treat our Natural Environment<\/a> to try to stop these emergencies at the current quite safely quinten pregnant because 3 in 17 years is quite a lot part of the smurfs really the take home message is if we want to prevent this again we have to look beyond just how we cure the present problem but what the mechanism is of the present problem and the mechanism of fortune is is our fault and it is not a coincidence that these diseases are emerging from areas where there have been big population explosions history keeps repeating itself we saw the same thing happen with the vote on the a boner outbreak of 2030 and 40 that occurred in parts of africa where theyve been a 500 percent increase in population so our target is to look at sustainability we absolutely have to look at making sure we exist sustainably and we have more respect for the Natural World<\/a> and the animals in it to avoid these kind of jumps in future because otherwise its absolutely certain the viruses will win dr chris murphy professor of human government thank you so much for sharing your knowledge announcing of your questions thank you thank you. With the search for a vaccine still ongoing and treatment still developing it is Public Health<\/a> initiatives which have taken the strain of vitus control alex asked the new president of the British Medical Association<\/a> professor heidi buttons whether they knew to plant they can hold the bite is it baby and why some kind to succeeded and by some i feeling. So are they joined from. Glasgow by professor hardy above as the newly elected president of the British Medical Association<\/a> many congratulations holiday thank you very much for cough our 1st question from lily she says how long can that is some to mattick katty have coffee and spread this virus is that one of the big challenges of complan call that its simply part of the pattern of spread of the virus the 14 day limit i think its probably not you know right definition no one knows if someone is he said to magic walk in a boat never tested you dont know if theyve been spreading the virus but by the way theyre why hes counsel is it if you post a script definitely has this or is it just so brazenly for 2 weeks and youre a slave its a spacey not at the time a skull and thinking about scotland and specifically says how can we deal with if we cant control a badass doesnt that mean continual cross infection yet thats thats an issue that ive hared a number of debates about the paradigm republic we say that we really need to. Stop people from coming in and i know of the same thats a relatively minor tribute to the strange weve got enough infectious people within our borders just to be and the way in which theyre behaving in terms of not socially distancing you know goods that pop in rap into saying thats whats driving the increase in cases and so yes it is an issue but its probably not be crime issue thats driving the crease in the number of cases just is strained within show as it takes a look at a car i says and shes very suspicious she says considering the history of man must have always been the controlling the main opposition. Well be this as a possible that history is repeating in a sophisticated modern way to stop more control over all mankind suspicions justify how to i dont think so not unless of course. Pangolin is as be agent since Authority Government<\/a> or whatever one of the things it needs to come out of this is rolling back the destruction of Natural Habitats<\/a> they claim an emergency is a really serious Public Health<\/a> issue for 7 my children and my grandchildrens generation so no this isnt after cloth by evil foreign governments not even the westminster government and what it has been a natural occurrence that you would expect when youre beginning to see an change in the way nature or Human Interaction<\/a> with nature is occurring one of us questions a very poignant one from louise hawke she says must contact us and hand washing could continue before now if its nothing homestay couldnt be lasting 2 years why would the elderly choose the existence of a helmet for the final year as part of a strayed off between the quality of life and the risk of catching this virus from the elderly i have a huge amount of sympathy with that rush to but the fact is there are people we have it in and out of Nursing Homes<\/a> in the rightly everyone is to be infected and the deaths of patients in Nursing Homes<\/a> it was a originally suggested in the Scottish Parliament<\/a> that they salute these these deaths were due to people with corona virus being sent to those Nursing Homes<\/a> from acute hospitals right the data i see would suggest that it was mainly faith that stock there were responsible for the transmission of Nursing Homes<\/a> so the fact is that anyone going in or out of the snow actually which is likely to be a carrier. And then it will spread like wildfire and what sort of people some who are not seeing their relatives are going to die so weve got to be very careful or go home saying we need to continue to be that honey buns the nobody more experienced in Public Health<\/a> i dont know what all the new yourself is that really possible to control a highly infectious virus with the pubs open havent the governments been killing us by suggesting that was possible. When we went out from 2 meters distance into one gas meter this that same i had to have a behavioral Scientists Say<\/a> in your head 2 meters is a distance but one meter cyst late reaching youre touching someone and we see this i mean i i have not been a puppet this year and ive got no intentions of going into one but when you see people sitting outside 8 people so for her leaning forward their heads are close together theyre breathing droplets over her and i just dont think its possible to control the virus while that is taking place the evidence is that in our border areas that had some walked out over the past few weeks you havent insists that rate of transmission slowing may have been so the fact that would be limited to the number of people you can have in your house and meetings and outside agency or is having a fake probably not having an effect fostered off so whatever is said i would say i think were going to have to maybe not completely shot pops but were really going to have to have people behaving very different. Come Public Health<\/a> measures of that the survive us bottom the control and doesnt the messaging have to be Crystal Clear<\/a> yes said mrs james the messaging has to be 2 things that has to be very clear but has to be very positive you know telling people that they are irresponsible idiots and so on is not a good way of persuading them to do the messaging that we had initially which is one which was behave in this way and it will be a good citizen helping you know other people sad kind of positivity were all in this together that how angry sad having well next in the paul steiger a mormon so and. Its not helping your granny its not helping your fellow students its not helping you know mom and dad their whole if anything is going to kill them and were already beginning to see increasing numbers of elderly people testing positive which was what we predicted 3 or 4 weeks ago so it has to be a message that says being a good citizen involves practice doing what the government is telling you and being sensible about it and finally saw how to love this they look at internationally as i mean one thing from a Public Health<\/a> perspective of all the countries experience of scene that stood out for you you saw and said right thats the way from a Public Health<\/a> perspective to get the sort of virus under control you see would no question new zealand where people grassed so they had to have a government who that was very honest with some of the nuclear with them to begin with so i think new zealand one of 2 other places have been very successful in this and its all come from the finding that people who are and said were going to help each other out here 1st ata bugs newly elected president of the British Medical Association<\/a> thank you so much for joining me on the examine show its my pleasure. The virus is back the u. K. Threat level heightened and few western countries have been able to cope certainly not the u. K. Were locked into is now is very real possibility certainly not the us where deaths per 1000000 have this week overtaken the u. K. And certainly not in france where the oldest Holiday Season<\/a> has come with a very high corporate price there are countries which have been islands of success and many of them have indeed been islands however worldwide on Current Trends<\/a> by the end of this week the mortality rate will approach 1000000 and by the end of the sheer the International Infection<\/a> numbers will surpass 50000000 people today are 3 experts have given straight responses to some of the biggest questions and deployed them with profound commonsense their comments on the connection between the threat of new emerging viruses and the destruction of the Natural Environment<\/a> and therefore the sustainability of the human condition were particularly pertinent whether that can be translated into a new and better policy direction remains to be seen but for now im from alex myself and all the shoe stay safe and hope to see you all again next week thank you and. 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