After time here were going underground hours after israel did what u. K. Pm contenders Boris Johnson and jeremy hunt have advocated before it bomb syria coming up on the show why is the British Government destroying it hiding documents essential to the Julian Assange case we speak to the journalist who is in court this week fighting for their release and is the e. U. Squabbles over management personnel changes the un warns that the mediterranean will be a sea of blood we investigate european dehumanization of those who seek better lives for the news atomic bomb goes nuclear as iran and europe do business on this Boris Johnson giving the thumbs up or the 2 fingers of big business dollars or more coming up in todays going on the ground 1st as a fraction of one percent of the electorate decide britains next Prime Minister labours Jeremy Corbyn questions the arguable deep state after the murdoch times defames him over his health the Civil Service should be breaching new spite against an elected politician against a prospective government is something that should be very concerned much more concerning for Mainstream Media as corbins alleged tolerance for anti semitism heres one of his m. P. s a tolerant of the violently semitic abuse she has received from people who say they back or been you i spied you are evil satanic late night the hash tag. Good has roots me the labor m. P. Who has called on Jeremy Corbyn to resign ever being a spy there is nothing to connect it to any spying for previous employers whether it be french outsourcing company said xo or the Swiss Company nestle current be targeted by activists boycott routes to me this came to emphasize she is not a spy. Imagine that we speak out and i must inform you that i am not a cia spy i am not a mossad agent nor am i am i 5 percent im sure to be here id be serious enough. Although i would urge you not to be unpleasant meeting i do not work for the people of tell me well arguably she did work for an organization linked to tel aviv before entering parliament she used to be a director of the Britain Israel Communications and Research Center britains equivalent of israeli lobby as a pac not only that but there are no apparent links between her in the cia or m i 5 a wiki leaks cable appears to expose that she has been used as a asset by the u. S. Government in a cable dated 20 year 9 april 24th from the us embassy in london to the then secretary of state Hillary Clinton me this name ject as a source for finding out when the then Prime Minister gordon brown would call a general election in britain labor perspective parliamentary candidate for burton roots we need strictly protect told us april 20 that brown had intended to announce the elections are made 12 he goes on to say no to this information has not been reported in the press and note perhaps 3 theres not a willing us informant but why was she a protected source for a cable to the Us National Security council as well as Hillary Clinton babs its all accidental the us authorities felt the need to keep her name secret when it came to information about u. K. General elections today she has declined all going underground requests for comment on allegations she was a Us Intelligence assets but thats the thing about we get leaks cables they allowed journalists to probe the state we dont see the links we otherwise have no evidence for today wiki leaks founder Julian Assange is in prison in southeast london and the un has determined his treatment by u. K. U. S. Ecuadorian and swedish authorities amounts to torture someone whos been following the persecution of wiki leaks in. Its a funny marriage she joins me now so many thanks so much for coming on i know theres a case ongoing im going to get to that in a 2nd its Julian Assange his birthday today you probably want to wish him happy birthday. To we just go back a bit and talk about your freedom of information request and how different the answers you got were from swedish and from british authorities the 1st letter. From paul close to the swedish prosecutor yes basically my idea was back in 2015 when julian had already spent 5 the abscond finally initially on the house arrest and then in the order and i am bussy high realized that no juvenile is no media had ever tried to access the document to do to get the facts so my idea was if i can get the documents from sweden sweden has a very good very good laws when it comes to freedom of information act maybe i can use anything i get from sweden as be cook to get documents from the u. K. From the u. S. From australia ecuador whatever and it work i filed my 4 year end in sweden back in 2015 and we have and we will hold back till yes the other talking about the rape allegations i suppose thats crucially made because it provides evidence on how the Crown Prosecution Service which is the very same page and see which is now in charge of considering the u. S. Extradition for request of Julian Assange the Crown Prosecution Service basically advise the swedish prosecutors against the holly strategy which could have led to a quick solution of the swedish case which is questioning Julian Assange she london rather than extradited him to sweden this was the bombshell. Exposure of your freedom of information requests that under king has. Some of the. German coffins brecks its sad to break that secretary the c. P. S. Seem to be telling sweden or begging sweden to hold up. To keep on with allegations of rape now we go to the dog even and actually they did then put pressure on allegation they advice against questioning him he no longer which is was crucial in creating the legal and then the the free market. Which kept Julian Assange cheaper but then the same document released by the british authorities is redacted completely and this kind of leads us on to what may happen on friday you are at the Upper Tribunal Court in london the sons of course in jail Chelsea Manning in jail tell me about the case thats going on this week yes basically after. I filed my file in sweden basically Competition Service sort of fewest me any document and i filed a case law on the 1st year tribunal and they started releasing some documents after i filed this case and but the documents are varied redacted the most of them are completely use when you see the 1st here its also Jeff Franz Kafka is where 3 is the 1st you mention the 1st tier tribe you know thats before this weeks tribe yes so there are all these various courts in london that exact i dont want freedom of information so i went to the 1st see it to be you know and they basically hold it against me and so i was for i was basically put into the condition to appeal to the upper tribune all and this is why these yes this week i was at the hopper tribunal with my lawyer defending the right of the press to access these documents now if anyone thinks this is just of interest to those bereaved from allegedly u. S. War crimes in afghanistan or iraq what the case this week what is important about the case this week is important to all journalists everywhere you are trying to change the way freedom of information works by saying. Factual circumstances changing can change the authorities view of whether they can release documents to a journalist absolutely i mean 1st of all what can we expect from these we. I have asked for the full correspondence between the Crown Prosecution Service and the u. S. Authorities which means the u. S. Department of justice and the u. S. State department when asked for this document to sweden they needed to say we dont have such correspondence because we didnt get any correspondence with them when i have the same correspondence to the u. K. They didnt want to confirm or deny so if they had been such correspondence with the u. S. Why not to tell me media that we dont have such correspond is because the Crown Prosecution Service gave you an n c n d a neither confirm nor deny response about correspondence between weve been britain and the United StatesJustice System about Julian Assange exactly and also about what they were which was really ridiculous because they said we cannot confirm or deny the bow ecuador because any such correspondence would be is about and extend the china we said it doesnt make sense an extradition to act whether because hes in the Ecuadorian Embassy i think they use ecuador they use they have ecuador do the neither confirm nor deny the exception because he would have sound suspicion to say we cannot confirm nor deny the about the u. S. So they put the airport there but they came out of ridiculous because. The show request by ecuador when Julian Assange which was in the choir their embassy is completely nonsense it must be about the u. S. Extradition spec ok well they said that the lawyers for the authorities are saying ok they they they told us that for julie the son of course theres a strong personal interest in the information youre seeking be made public. But that doesnt necessarily mean it is important as regards Public Interest or did you miss. The nonsense because it is absolutely makes sense to know whether the u. S. Has for a war is considering extradition and putting Julian Assange from the very beginnings as soon as he started publishing the Us Government documents crucially to understand whether the swedish case was used in an instrumental way to get Julian Assange extradited initially to sweden then to the u. S. And these crucial to know whether the u. S. Considered to put him in jail from the very beginning there is no way to know unless we got the the he made so unless we got the documents there is no way to know and this means that any journalist watching this program right now must realize that if you fail on friday decision over the way they did journalism is it is deliberately separated by authorities here in britain with the Public Interest even if that journalist working on something feels it is over the public absolutely absolutely and there is a you know the what what is crucial to understanding this case that this case is not just about Julian Assange it is about any journalist everywhere trying to expose war crimes secret documents provide evidence of torture are sent on so if julian if they can assert jurisdiction on an astray and publisher who reviewed this document they can assert jurisdiction on an Italian Journalist exposing draw our Nuclear Weapons he never gave the the us basis for Nuclear Weapon so us Nuclear Weapons immediately or they came necessary to do restriction on journalists working on the french journalists working on exposing us documents provide evidence of crimes in france in in everywhere i mean sure. Many so these cases is about the right of the press to publish documents we charge. We charge devastating for the government because they dont want to be exposed of course as they have these documents and it is about the ebbing these possibilities we doubt your life destroyed because if we look at he had this hand basically destroyed we were trying to do we were trying to let the public and many are our colleagues who are telling your campaigning we are not campaigning we have tell you that they are destroying they are destroying his mental. Health and the prices so high that a good knowledge should not pay such a price for exposing war crimes and torture and the same applies to the to the journalistic sources like Chelsea Manning she paid a huge price and a journalistic source who expose such valuable and Important Information in the Public Interest should not by pay such a price. Thank you thanks so much after the break. Was a mere liberalism the un claims a new all time high of 17000000 refugees we ask the director of a new film about the hardships of those crossing the mediterranean for a better life if globalization has fostered the kind of international apartheid bustle the headlines children die as israel targets syria and greenpeace has that sinking feeling in the pacific all the more coming up to going underground. Join me every 1st day on the alex simon show and ill be speaking to us from the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back joining me now to go through some of the weeks top stories this fall the liberal democrat m. P. In charge of secretary of state lembit obi gleb a long time no see yes obviously this offer to. Go straight to todays greenpeace report before we go to any stories what do you make of this in deep water the emerging threat of deep sea mining well what theyre talking about here is another preservation story as you know the preservation of another preservation over 7 tenths of the earth is covered in water now greenpeace is telling its attention to the idea that some very Large Companies might be destroying microbes was doing good i mean there was a piece while back talking about the fact that an eminent doctor was saying that cures for cancer superbug cures theyre all down in the deep and they might be being destroyed by all his money i dont get it professor upton said he found a microbe in his bar a tree which i think theyd hold up from iraq all 700 meters below sea level he said this could solve the resistance problem and this is not being extrapolated by greenpeace to say well weve got to be really careful where we dig tranches and where we we charge up the seabed this is completely our message for greenpeace but weve got to be a bit careful here because most of the sea but theres never been explored what Better Company for the largest Exploratory Mission then britains prince corporate proportion to be run by a company will u. K. Seabed Resources Limited which is not British Government owned a tool by Lockheed Martin walker you wrote on it theyre not so worried about the microbes but they are very keen on the precious resources havent been. Pointed down that white because really hard to mind deep down in the ocean look at some of the accidents that the oil industry has had so its not easy even this wholly owned lockheed subsidiary u. K. Seabed resources admitted that they found extinctions in the areas of exploration for the exploitation of resources both of the sea when you plow a field it kills lots of ones and lots of local habitat the same is going to happen if youre under sea im not rubbishing this i just think we have to have a sense of proportion here that is going to this story from news weve got a stress testing conference in washington the Federal Reserve weve got one fan of the banks probably the firm of the Defense Industry take us through the wonderful headline here Boris Johnson says nobody stuck up for the bankers as much as i did when i asked about half blank blank a business john. That is because he said something. That are in fact granted to be british Prime Minister one of them yet what he said was when somebody said well a lot about big business in terms of your bricks at plans boris he said that phrase business and hes now saying is taken out of context what he meant was big business should not stand in the way of his democratic right to the outcome of the referendum from a couple of years ago is the public at large going to support a Prime Minister and in a general election if indeed he is crowned Prime Minister if he says nobody stuck up for the bank as much as i did theres an election in greece in a few days time i think a signal for bankers is not really popular on the right on the left in the sense or anywhere that youre always looking for negatives for us as a man of the people is very popular hes just trying to be popular with big business lets remember where the conservatives got a lot of their money it is from big business and in that sense hes playing to his audience he doesnt have to convince you to vote for him because youre not i dont think a member of. The conservative party i think the donations are purely coincidental thats going to big iran threatening to withdraw completely from the j. C. B. Away with the other members of the p 5 plus one let alone told trump on sundays they say take us through this angle here story this storys about the law of unintended consequences the headline europe leaders defy trump on iran with bold move now you will know that unilaterally wonderful president of the United States donald trump decided