On this hour, Outside Agitators. Are they true nce Nce Stagators or not. Talking about fairness, there is a new film talking to us about what trump and the supporters did after the last election. Lets do it. Propalestinian protests spread, there is one phrase that kept popping up. Outside agitators. Those Outside Agitators those Outside Agitators. Outside agitators. Paid Outside Agitator. Law enforcement officials, politicians, have all said that, the socalled Outside Agitator. Accusing professional organizers or foreign actors of hijacking studentled protests and encouraging the participants of more aggressive tactics. Calling on the fbi to investigate those supported shadowy figures, similar sentiment shared on line by the nypd chief of patrol. An unknown entity of radicalizing our students and taking advantage of their young minds. He urged them to follow the money. We should be clear. Some of the hundreds of people arrested at campuses across the country have not been students, including at Columbia University. 29 of those arrested last week had no connection to the school. But as the New York Times reports, there is little evidence that those socalled outsiders in any role in organizing them. Only a small handful of the nearly three dozen lacked ties to the university had also participated in other protests around the country. A blow to this professional protester narrative pushed around by law enforcement. The times examination revealed far more of the affiliated protester his no such history. They arrived there in response to Social Media Posts or word ofmouth invites. That including matthew, a 72 yearold Computer Programmer who has lived within half a mile of Columbia University for most of his life. He was outside of the school and stood in the middle of the intersection and refused to budge. He dismissed that outside actors were pulled the strings. Members of the community. Folks from the neighborhood. Not a foreign element that snuck in to sap our citys vitality. Reporter i really struggle a lot with the whole narrative of Outside Agitators because i see it as a means through which to justify violence. And to claim that, because individuals are not students they are deserving of police brutality. Eliminating outside actors establishes another goal. Distraction, distracting from their aim which is to bring attention to the war in gaza. We should call out this Bogeyman Narrative for what it really is. An effort to discredit, marginalize a movement. It was evoked during the Civil Rights Movement, used to imply protesters were driven by the sinister agendas of unknown Shadow Figures as opposed to be motivated by their own personal beliefs and concerns. Civil rights giant Martin Luther king was labeled as an Outside Agitator since he was called in to assist with dem strags across the south. Not only did he re demonstrations across the south. Not only did he reject it he rejected the even idea. He famously wrote from a letter from jail, quote, we are caught in an Inescapable Network of mutuality tied in a single gar met of destiny. Whatever effects one directly effects all directly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow pro virnl Outside Agitator idea. Anyone who lives inside of the cause never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds. Kicking off this hour a professor at Princeton University and the author of the new book we are the leaders we have been looking for. Professor, great to have you with us, thank you for making time with us. So, you know the subject better than i do. But this trope of Outside Agitator. Talk to us about how it has been used to undermined movements for decades, nothing new absolutely. First of all, that was a wonderful lead into the conversation. You know, Outside Agitator plays both roles as a student rightly noted. The distraction from the issues at hand and a justification for pressure. Look at it across the 20th century. Look at it in the communist scare, right . That most of the activism in the north and urban city among black folk were driven by communist and it gets amplified in the context of the cold wear. We can think about the way the Civil Rights Movement as you rightly noted was thought about. Not only king, coordinating committee. Remember, all of this is occurring within the context of the mcarthur era. Why is that important . Because, to, to identify these outside actors then is to say they are the reason for the disturbance and by virtue of that connection now we have an enemy within. As you then right flee noted justify the repression. Got the justification of repression by denying agency to the students and to the activists by attributing the cause to these folk who are outside agents trying to undermined american society. So, this is really as you rightly noted. The effort not only to delegit myself the protest and the issue. But also to justify violence in this way. And one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you professor this week, you Teach College students, interact with them on a day to day basis. What is your reaction that the officials are saying young minds taken over by a outside force. It is a narrative. Hard to believe young people could be spurred into their onconvictions and beliefs under their own according. Coming into a world seeing it for themselves, understanding it for themselves. Without an outside influence that we say, hey, our kids are being radicalized and that should scare us and the parents are to blame or the university are to blame. And the same thing said about beak boomers in the context of the love movement. To tell what is happening in the world. Some ways, these students of the day really attuned to how broken the world is. The u. S. Is, Coming Of Age in the midst of the crisis. And then they noticed people are throwing spaghetti against the wall. Higher education in the United States, right . Because it is dei. It is a formative action. It is wokeness that is driving these Young Students to then hold these folk accountable and then of course, they are just privileged white students who are trying to virtue signal. They dont know what they are talking about. We saw all of the excuses and now Outside Agitators. Young people not thinking seriously about their commitments and not bringing the commitments to bear on the moral issue that confronts them, confronts their generation, they are making the choice that the United States should not be committed resources to the mass murdered of folk. These people dont want to accept the view. In fact, the view is thought out. You know this, the Movement Among students has been going on since 2005. And this is an extension of that. But, no, these folk are just moved about by Outside Agitators this is how you delegit ifiy it. First, ivy league, rich folks, then saw it move, and realized that narrative does not work. They had to modify the accusations and allegations. I wanted to share with you this quote from a columbia professor, she told Salon Magazine the real Outside Agitators are the conservative congressional members that showed up to campus. Singled out eric adams the mayor, doing nothing but stir up volatile emotions on this campus as set by the example of our president. How has it be activated by those putting their own thoughts on these movements and are they successful in rewriting the narrative to push others to follow suit . I think so. We have to be honest. Just look at how the president of columbia responded after her testimony before congress t. Is right after that, we then see the escalation by the invitation of the new York Police Department on columbia campus. We have to see the role of conservatives pushing this. And the role of democrats pushing the narrative as well. It has something to do with the vex way with the way the nation rapels with israel. When we see our language boxed us in. We can not talk about israel without it being kind of assumed let me say it differently. Can not criticize the policies of the state of israel without it being read as antisemitic. It intensifies it. I experienced this as the president of religion once, we had a panel that was supposed to be boy scotting investment and all hell broke loose. It was a nonviolent gesture. And every time there is a nonviolent gesture, bds or the return the march for return it is met with this intense response which then boxes us in how folk talk about Self Determination among palestinians. So, the Conversation Kind of spirals and the debate spirals in this way, it seems to me. Let me pay this Sound Bite T Touches on that. It was just this morning. There was a foreign funding piece that is very important that we get to the bottom of, if it is the foreign funding flowing into the middle Eastern Studies programs at these universities propping up antisemitic professors we need to not provide that funding. In addition any individuals who are part of the prohamas encampments on Student Visas they need to be revoked and those individuals need to be deported immediately. The sitting congresswoman admonishing, calling on universities to deport foreign students is it an attack on protesters or extension on the far rights attack on Higher Education. To try to narrow the conversation about Foreign Policy and specifically israel. Absolutely. We heard the talking points, qatar and funding programs and alive. There are these bad actors behindthescenes. You have to understand this. And the attack on american Higher Education. Seeing it in the context of reagan when he was governor of california. So such that you can defund it. You read peoples work we see the wholesale attack on Higher Education and middle east Study Programs after america Study Programs that the humanities become the boogie pan that is in some ways corrupting the minds of our students. Then, this gets linked to the critique of israel the outcome of what is happening with american Higher Education, the irony, the irony of it all, if these are the same folks trafficking and antisemitic tropes, again, the globalists are at the heart of wokeness, we heard that during black lives matter movement. They were funding the black live matters protests. And now, these same kind of bad actors are buying tents even though folk can find them for 15 at 5 below. It is as if people are stupid. When they are pleating with Holocaust Deniers it is lost on the Republican Party and folks like her who will not condemn it. It is a stretch to take them seriously about any of those matters. It is a pleasure, thank you very much as always. 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She once served as the head of jewish studies said she watched confrontations with Student Protesters at other campus demonstrations, she wanted to be at dartmouths protest because as an older jewish professor she believed her presence could help keep students safe. Professor, thank you very much for making time for us. Talk to me about what happened in the moments leading up to that video and what happened in the aftermath. The moments the police arrived. There has been a small encampment established four or five attempts. Started as a prolabor strike. Student workers on strike for a living wage. Then it developed into a Divestment Rally with students calling for dartmouth to divest from companies that engaged in making and selling of munitions to israel. Then what happened was a Peaceful Rally became something violent. Not as a result of anything that the students did but as a result of these heavily Armed Riot Police being called into our peaceful campus. Within a matter of minutes they had pulled campus security, they told them they had to leave and began arresting people like many professors who have gotten themselves beaten and arrested. I simply wanted to record the arrest of my students especially because sometimes those arrests that night were quite rough. And, after i think the third Student Arrest that i had recorded. I felt this ram behind, i was body slammed by these guys in body armor. I flew across the green, landed at the feet of the protesters. They took the phone. I picked up both of my arms and slammed to the ground and dragged across the green. At one point, there was a Police Officer with a knee on my back. Held down by three officers, zip tied. Put in Dartmouth College vans with the logo on the side of the van covered over to not be identified as those vans and taken to jail with my students. These local jails are so small they had to find several for us because so many were arrested that night and people were not told where they were going. Difficult to find the students. That is. No worries i appreciate that. I wanted to ask you about, why did you feel the need to be down there as a professor. What compelled you to go down there, simply document it . Did you feel your presence might deescalate the situation . I was hoping that it would. The administration of the club sent out strict rules earlier in the day about what was allowable. No speaking through it, no being on the green after an hour. No sleeping on the green. No hate speech. I was worried there is going to be a reaction. Never occurred to me. Yes, i was with a group of older jewish professors and we thought they are not going to hurt us. As we stand between the students we were not by the students in the encampment. If we stand between them and the riot police that our students would be safe. That was not the case and i was not safe. And, you know, i am still, i am still recovering from some of the injuries they inflicted that day. Can you reflect just as somebody who participated in this . Documented this in a negative way. You are watching the National Discourse around protests, you are seeing the Police Reaction to it. What is it that we are getting wrong or the narrative is misunderstanding about what you and other professors are going through on these college protests. It is described as you saw, Outside Agitators, pro hamas sympathizers, hamas supporters, it is not that from your experience . No. This was, this was the sweetest most Peaceful Rally. It was an interfaith rally. Clergy from muslim, buddish and jewish denominations. The chants were very mild for the most part. There was no