Welcome to prime time weekend. I am nicolle wallace. Lets get right to top stories. In a Perfect World we would not actually start the show where we are going to start it today, opening our broadcast with the results of what amounts to a legal circus, a spectacle and diversion. The ruling from Fulton CountySuperior Court judge scott macv was actually a victory for rule of law in the matter of the d. A. S relationship with special prosecutor nathan wade the judges ultimatum amounted to this. Either leave wade behind her help the prosecution of this case altogether. Turned out to be an easy choice for d. A. Willis to make. Remember what she said when she announced the indictment. The states role in this process is essential to the functioning of our democracy. Georgia, like every state, has laws that allow those who believe that results of an election are wrong, whether because of intentional wrongdoing or unintentional error, to challenge those results in our state courts. The indictment alleges that rather than abide by georges Legal Process for election challenges, the defendants engaged in a Criminal Racketeering Enterprise to overturn georges president ial election results. So, nothing that happened today changed any of that but d. A. Fani willis accepted nathan wades resignation which means the case will move forward as planned. Consider the fact though, even a listen, trump got most of what he wanted. There are emails flooding inboxes shouting look here, and fani willis is corrupt. No legitimacy to that but it goes even beyond those attacks. Consider the motion to remove fani willis and wade from the Fulton County case filed on january 8th, 67 days ago. Trumps team run out the clock for two months, and exceptionally exasperating development for the role of locke crowd given what we discussed on this program yesterday. That is how do successful trump has been an employee in the tactic of delay at all costs. Election day a potential offramp for the disgraced ex president and his legal troubles and only eight months now separate the American People from the prospect of that although we should never forget what this case was about. It is about a sitting president actively working to undermine the results of a free and Fair Election and this is what happened when he did. So, despite hours of droning punditry about what did and did not happen there, that is what this is about and the upshot is this, team trump came for the king and the queen in this instance and they missed. Game on. Here to start us off on this extraordinary day of news again, some of our most favorite experts and friends, former lead investigator for the january 6 committee tim haig is back. Lisa rubin, host of politics nation here on msnbc and the president of the Action National network. The reverend al sharpton is here in host of politics broadcast, Molly John Fast is here. I am catching up still. I was out for a little bit and one of the things i am catching up on his alvin braggs case, which is about trump allegedly having sex with a star file married and then allegedly paying money to cover it up so it did not come out ahead of an election. This is about two single people who had a relationship in the middle of prosecuting an ex president. It feels like sometimes we stare so closely at the trees that we miss the forest. Yes, exactly right, nicole. This is a distraction because it does not touch the core allegations in this case. None of the issues at stake in judge macvs ruling today bear in any way upon the charged conduct of the defendants. This is a separate issue. It is, however, a legitimate issue because prosecutors have a higher duty. Judge macv goes on for pages in his opinion about the fact that prosecutors are held to a very high ethical standards and they cant have any actual or apparent conflicts of interest, and there are ethical rules to this effect. Prosecutors are held to a higher standard in this issue of a relationship between the District Attorney and the special assistant District Attorney who was leading the prosecution until this afternoon has been a huge distraction, really, and unforced error because again it does not touch the very strong evidence of these pundits guilt, but it caused a 67 day delay in getting to the courtroom. I think judge macv has made a very sound choice to find that there is no evidence of an actual conflict of interest, misconduct, but there is an appearance issue that the d. A. Supervising a person with whom she has had a romantic relationship causes potential suspicion about whether she is making decision strictly in the ins tryst of judgment or personal relationship so mr. Wade stepping away makes a lot of sense. Hopefully it allows them to move forward and get back to the core issues in the case, whether or not there is a Racketeering Conspiracy intended to disrupt the election and that is where we need to get to. We keep talking about on the show it is time for these allegations to have their day in court, all the sideshows, all the motions to be resolved so a jury finally gets to decide whether or not the government has proved its case. Lisa rubin, you have the unofficial, official role of tracking the calendar for us. Is there any chance that what was just described in this case happens ahead of the election . I think its really difficult at this point. We really just wasted 10 days from january 8th when Ashley Marchant filed this motion until today. We have done nothing else in this case other than pay heed to these motions. Scott macv granted a minor motion yesterday, when the got a lot more press than it deserved in terms of impact on the case. Okay, so he decided a small motion but really, the bulk of these 67 days has been taken up is what tim rightly characterized as a sideshow. How do you get this case back on track now when youve lost the quarterback . Its a really difficult proposition. I think its really unlikely this case gets tried before the election unless some measures are taken, for example, triage. You pull off some defendants, try it more than once, a bunch of people played out. Accepting those circumstances, i dont see how this happens. Fani willis charged a really aggressive and tight set of facts. None of that is at issue. No one has anything to say about the facts in this case or the charges, and again, before i stepped away, every other day, someone was pleading guilty in her sweeping racketeering case. This is, so, a successful sideshow on trumps side. He got the delay he needed to happen before the election. I think a lot of us should look into the other side of that. One side says that he wants to delay it until after the election, but the fact is that even if he does, he cannot dismiss or pardon himself from state charges, both in new york with alvin bragg, or with fani willis in Fulton County, so what i suggest is that maybe he or his attorneys believe he is going to be convicted. Why would you starlet, mr. President , unless you know you are going to be convicted, and evidence is so overwhelming because you really are stalling what is inevitable. Youre going on trial. Whether it is before or after the election, so what you are stalling is trying to go to jail. The other thing i think that are big losers here are some of his codefendants, because if he had if they had ruled fani willis could not try this, and it had gone to another county and it may have never gone to court, giuliani and everybody else charged would have had another day. They had a bad night last night because when they ruled today that fani willis could stay there, that means Rudy Giuliani and all of the defendants have a day in court now and the date, probably, of conviction. I think we are missing a lot of that, so yes, i would like to see it before the election but i know subliminally, donald trump must really feel he is going to be convicted. That is what he is really stalling for, aside from the election. It is interesting. There is not anything more to the legal strategy and because there are so many cases he cant analyze them across the documents case in the january 6 federal case in the georgia case and alvin braggs case, but there is not a defense on facts and we know that he tries all of his issues in the court of public opinion. There is no pushback on the facts. No, and in fact, what he did was put the Justice System on trial. He said this is a corrupt system. It is them, not me. He really made this yet another campaign event. The other thing is he spent millions of dollars trying to delay, and every time, people are talking about fani willis and nathan wade, they are not talking about donald trump and fake electors. That is so interesting. I mean, tim, what is the sort of take me behind the curtain. What is the private gripe of prosecutors who see trump deviating his way out of accountability on every front . Look, prosecutors want their time in court. They would not have brought this case had they not believed they are Holding Cards that will win the hand. I dont mean to suggest that the game, but they always feel strongly they have very strong evidence of criminal conduct and every day, as everyone in the studio is saying, we are not talking about that. We are not putting that to a jury, Testing By Cross Examination on the presumption of innocence, makes it more difficult. For prosecutors, cases get worse the more time passes. Things can go wrong, more things can arise, memories fade. Community interest lessons, so prosecutors, once they make a decision to charge, they want to go. They want their day in court. They want to move the case forward. We are seeing that with the text six of the Special Counsels office in the d. A. S office and as Reverend Sharpton just said, wrongly accused defendant who is very anxious for his day in court to clear his name would be rushing to get to the courtroom. I remember senator stevens. You remember this case, where just before an election he held the government to its burden of proof and said i want my trial in 70 days because i want an opportunity to clear my name. Now, he was convicted but there was some evidence not disclosed, but a different approach to somebody saying all right, youre going to charge me, i want my opportunity to rebut that. We are seeing the opposite here, someone who has not articulated any substantive defense, who continues to try to avoid sitting at the table, listening to that evidence and having his opportunity to challenge it. I think it is a really telling, consistent strategy of delay. It is a political strategy, not a very sound legal one. I mean, let me just successfully pushback. As a political strategy i think he would point to the polls and say its successful. In his view, hes got a 5050 shot of winning. It seems to be successful on both fronts, and what does the rule of law side do to protect the exportation of delays, or is it not something that can be protected . Did it, like so many other norms, rest on the good faith of its participants . Yes, it does. And look, the system has built into it a lot of protections for charged defendants. They have an opportunity to bring forth motions and to make legal arguments and to have those issues resolved. Because we have a system that presumes innocence and gives lots of procedural rights to charged people, whether they are shoplifters or former president s of the United States, that builds into the process, a fair amount of potential delay. We would not even be talking about this now if these investigations had been launched sooner. They couldve been launched on january 7th of 2021, or even january 21st, but they were not, so we are only close to the election because of some reticence on behalf of federal and state prosecutors to pursue this, and the revelation of crimes by the committee for which i worked, if we had looked at it sooner, then i think arguably all of these procedural protections wouldve been granted well in advance of the trial before the election. Be that as it may, we are not there now, so the intersection of the campaign and these legal issues is frustrating, but the system gives defendants this opportunity. It bends over backward to make sure people are treated fairly and have the opportunity to raise anything they think is relevant. You just put your finger on the entire enchilada, though, to maybe the reluctance to examine crimes maybe it was so disoriented to watch crimes committed before our very eyes and watch the criminal carry out those crimes on tv and then to watch him tweet at the criminals, we love you quoteend quote, that it made people stop, but i guess what i am trying to get at is an honest conversation for our viewers for the next eight months. There will most likely be zero legal accountability for donald trump and his banking on that being a winning political strategy. The only people who have any agency in this conversation at this point are the voters and what fani willis went through, she has been docs to. Her kids have been doxed. Theres no glory in trying to hold trump accountable but all shes trying to do is treat trump the way any of us wouldve been treated if we did what he did. I will speak just for my own hours, to talk as though legal accountability is on the table it probably is not, and i wonder what that sounds like and what will people who have spent their lives in their careers as prosecutors, what will they say about a specimen like donald trump who one, who did it, who got out of accountability, who got his get out of jail free card and didnt even need a pardon to do it. What do we do about that is sort of the voting public. What does that Conversation Sound like . Really good question. I dont know. Maybe even though the case has not been tried, the allegations are such that they will influence people in terms of their decision as to who to vote for. I think they should. I think they say a lot about the character of the person who is offering to serve once again in my hope is that most americans who understand those facts which have been told and told and told again, that will influence them. There is one jury, it is the American People, and all fani willis and jack smith could do is use the levers at their disposal to hasten the former president using the levers at his disposal to try to delay the not may not result in adjudication prior to the election, of any of these cases. I still think there is a chance the case may be resolved before the election. It depends on the Supreme Court but your point is a good one. It feeds right into this narrative of the former president saying the system is broken and corrupt. It feeds the beast that people dont have faith because things take so long. It is an example of when our systemesnt work or does it seem to work that increases cynicism, and that is precisely the argument that he is making, and it is a political argument as to why he, as a change agent, should be back in there. I appreciate you bringing this to a real place because i think the best thing we can do for our audience is have an honest conversation and i will say, i constantly plead with the National Security officials who saw up close and personal, Donald Trumps lack of fitness. I plead for the general who literally put himself on the line, your investigation revealed this quite clearly, to get out there until the American People what they saw. If you see something, Say Something became the duty of the American People after 9 11. Joe biden articulated that january 6 was another attack on our democracy. You have a duty not just if you are a general, but if you are a prosecutor and i hope there is some real soulsearching going on among federal prosecutors. 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