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MSNBCW The July 3, 2024

With a story that is very much still developing, very much still unresolved, and very personal to our first guest. This is yair yaakov and myrav. They live on a kibbutz in Southern Israel. A kibbutz call and yairs sons are 16 and 12 years old. Orr is the big brother. He is 16. Yagil is the younger son. He is 12. And on saturday morning, at 8 45 a. M. Local time, this is just a couple of hours after the hamas Terrorist Attacks started in Southern Israel, yair got on the phone with his sister in law from the kibbutz. And he told his sister in law that he and his girlfriend were in a shelter inside their house. They were gonna try to write out these bombings that had just started. He said his two sons, his 12yearold and his 16 year old, they were now with them. They were with their mother at a different house on the kibbutz. And yair said that the plan was everybody was Gonna Stay Put until the bombings stopped. And then, they would find each other and get back together and stay safe. Then, about half hour later, another communication. And this time it was from yairs girlfriend. It was from myrav. And she texted out an audio message. And it was terrifying. She said there were two terrorists inside the house, that had guns. They were shooting. She said yair was trying to hold back the door to the shelter so that the terrorists could not get in. And that was the end of it. After that, they lost connection. So, yairs brother tried calling them back. He also tried that thing where you try to locate somebodys phone, to try to figure out where his brother and his girlfriend or exactly. He wasnt able to find them that way. Later in the afternoon, he was able to get in contact with the boys mother again. Again, she had been with the two sons at a different house on the kibbutz. She said she had been contacted by two kidnappers, who made the 16 year old boy, orr, get on the phone and tell his mom that he had been kidnapped. Then, he hung up. So, the long form of this is that all four of these people, yair, and his two sons, and yairs girlfriend, they have now all been reported missing by yairs, yaniv. And yaniv says the whole family has been missing, as far as i know, since basically midday on saturday. Hes not heard from them since. Except that there has been an additional electronic communication of the worst kind. Yaniv says he has been sent a video, which appears to show his brother, yair, and his brothers girlfriend being kidnapped on saturday morning. Since the attack on israel started on saturday morning, we have seen these murders and Hostage Taking of civilians and otherwise. We have seen them being filmed and put online, for a strategic aim, right . To advance the purposes of the people who are doing the murdering and the Hostage Taking. And so, when it comes to the footage that these people are producing of their killing and kidnapping people, that puts every social Media Company on earth, and it puts everybody in the News Business in the position of potentially doing their work by showing what they are doing. Because they wanted to be seen. They want that too augment the terrorizing effect of what they are doing to these people. Now, on the other hand, the people whose families have been victimized in this way are in some cases asking us to please show these videos, to please show this step, because they believe it should be, a, known that this is happening. And, b, because in some cases they believe it could get their loved ones home safely. So, being in the middle of that, not wanting to advance of the cost to the people who not only did these things, but filmed them for a reason. And the people who are saying please show the footage, show the difficult situation that our Family Members are in. We believe it could help. That is a very difficult thing to reckon with. All of assistance are hard once. I dont think there is a right decision. In this specific case of yair and myrav, and the two boys, yairs brother has asked us to show this video, which appears to depict his brother and his brothers girlfriend being updated abducted on saturday. So, were going to play it with no sound. It was uploaded with propaganda style music. We do not need to broadcast that. You also dont need to hear the human you know, exclamations and fear for the people who are in the situation, even without the sound, i think it goes without saying that this video is disturbing. Its about 30 seconds. Were gonna show it now. Again, it does not have sound. It does have sound, but rather, we are not playing that sound. It is 28 seconds. Here we go. Again, this is the video that was sent to the brother of yair, the man you saw at the end of the video there, along with his girlfriend, and the first part of that video. Joining us now from Southern Israels yairs brother, yaniv yaakov, who shared this video online. Mr. Yaniv yaakov, i cant imagine the anguish that you and your family are going through. Thank you for talking to us. I want to give you the opportunity first, just correct me if i said anything wrong there, or characterized anything the wrong way around. Thank you for having me. Thats the first thing. Its a very hard situation. Its a very hard time right now. You put most of the things intact exactly, like they were, besides the fact that the mother wasnt in the kibbutz, she was in another kibbutz that was also attacked. And luckily, she and my brothers daughter are safe. All the rest of them are kidnapped, like i said. What we need now, really need, is that the government of israel, and everyone who can force, or squeeze, or do something to make sure that everyone that works for them to get back our family, get back our loved ones. That should be the top priority, nothing else. All the rest will come later. We can talk about a lot of things. But right now, we need them back home safe and sound. We really, really need someone to talk to us, to have a dialogue with us. Just to have something to grab on. This is no nightmare that i can ever imagine. Every hour, every minute, we get notifications from friends that their loved ones were killed, or their loved ones are not seen at the moment. It is so hard even explain how we feel. We are broken. We are terrified with what happened. We did not imagine, in our worst nightmares, that this kind of thing could happen. And we did not imagine in our worst nightmares that someone can react or can behave to human beings like they do. Have you heard anything im sorry to interrupt you. Let me just ask you briefly. You mentioned that you helped trying to create a dialogue. Have you heard anything from officials or Law Enforcement, or the government about what you should do now, about whether they want you to be speaking publicly, about anything strategically, in terms of how to try to help them . No, and thats the reason we asked families, other families that have missing persons, gathered together in order to get some help from somewhere. We know that there are a lot of that have people who are either casualties or are being held by hamas. And i believe that the whole world, or lets say, the president of turkey or saudi arabia, someone thats close and can talk to the hamas group, would force them to move or do something to bring our families back. This is what we are trying to do. We are trying to get our loved ones back. Thats the main purpose of our gathering because we didnt get any notification, or any guidance, like you said, from anyone. We decided to do it on our own. Well, thank you for trusting us to show these images, and to tell this story. Please, keep us apprized. I mean, i wish i could Say Something more concrete in terms of what we can offer. But, please, stay in touch with us and let us know. And i hope you hear something soon. Thank you so much. Thank you for letting us be here and show our pain. I hope this will help, eventually. Thank you. So do we. Yaniv yaakov, joining us tonight live from Southern Israel. Tonight, the white house says President Biden will give a speech tomorrow at one pm eastern time on the ongoing crisis in israel. We also got two major statements from the white house tonight, both of which were surprising in their own ways, and quite substantive. The first was from President Biden confirming that at least 11 american citizens have been killed in the attacks in israel thus far. The president s statement also said this, quote, while we are still working to confirm, we believe it is likely that american citizens may be among those being held by hamas. The president said, quote, i have directed my team to work with their israeli counterparts on every aspect of the hostage crisis, including cherry intelligence and deploying experts from across the United States government to consult with and advise israeli counterparts on hostage recovery efforts. The likelihood that there are americans among those who are being held hostage, like mr. Yaakovs familys, that creates a very real imperative for the American Government, beyond the support to the Israeli Government, we dont exactly know what form that will take. But weve got a important representative of the u. S. Government joining us in just a moment. Before we bring him on, i want to draw your attention to another statement that we got from President Biden as part of that initial white house released, President Biden said quote, in cities across the country, meaning across the United States, Police Departments have stepped up security around centers of jewish life. And the department of homeland security, the fbi, and other federal Law Enforcement partners are closely monitoring for any domestic threats in connection with the horrific Terrorist Attacks in israel. Again, that came out solo from President Biden tonight. And that was followed shortly by a stunning joint statement from President Biden, along with the leaders of france, germany, italy, and the uk. It says in part, quote, today, we express our steadfast and united support to the state of israel, and our unequivocal condemnation of hamas and its appalling acts of terrorism. We make clear that the terrorist actions of hamas have no justification, no legitimacy, and must be universally condemned. There is never any justification for terrorism. In recent days, the world has watched in horror as Hamas Terrorists massacred families in their homes, slaughtered over 200 young people enjoying a music festival, and kidnapped elderly women, children, and entire families who are now being held as hostages. Our countries will support israel in its efforts to defend itself and its people against such atrocities. We further emphasize that this is not a moment for any party hostile to israel to exploit these attacks to seek advantage. All of us recognized the illegitimate aspirations of the Palestinian People and support equal measures of justice and freedom for israelis and palestinians alike. But make no mistake, hamas does not represent those aspirations. And it offers nothing for the Palestinian People other than more terror and bloodshed. Over the coming days, we will remain united and coordinated, together as allies and as common friends of israel, to ensure israel is able to defend itself, and to ultimately set the conditions for a peaceful and integrated middle east region. Again, the white house, speaking in that statement, not just for the president of the United States, but for the leaders of our closest allies in europe, five Nation Statement from the u. S. , the uk, france, italy, and germany. A remarkable thing in itself. Joining us now is jon finer. He is the Deputy National security adviser for the biden administration. Mr. Finer, i appreciate you being here tonight. I know this is a busy and fraught time. Thanks very much for having me. What is the u. S. Government learning tonight about americans who are being held, held hostage by hamas . What we know and honestly, we are still gathering information. There is a lot of fog of war in the current circumstances, even today, you know, two days after the beginning of these attacks, there were still some fighting going on inside israel between hamas and the Israeli Defense forces. So, we are still gathering information, including about the whereabouts of americans who we know to be missing, and who we suspect, strongly, some of whom are likely to be held in gaza. We do not know with certainty the number of americans who might be held over there. But if you just take a step back, and think about the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of americans, maybe more than half 1 million americans in israel at any given time, we celebrate happy occasions together. This was a Holiday Weekend after all. But we also suffered together when things go tragically wrong as they did during these barbers attacks. And so, we strongly suspect that there are more americans not just among the dead, but among those being held in gaza at this time. And with the president s, unequivocal statement of support for israel. Obviously, this Hostage Situation has such incredible, practical urgency, and more urgency behind it. We can assume, i think, even in the absence of american hostages that the u. S. Will be helping trying to resolve the Hostage Situation. And even if there werent americans directly implicated, the fact that there are americans directly in harms way here puts that much more of an imperative on it in terms of the u. S. Response. With that and, can you tell us anything about what resources the u. S. Government is able to put toward getting at these hostages rescued. What types of agencies, what types of personnel, what types of Operational Support is the u. S. Able to lend israel in this case . Abl so, i will answer your question. But i just want to say, how much i admire the first guest that you had at the top of the hour on this program. And the composed and eloquent, just basically decent way in which he went about articulating the situation, the horrendous situation that his family is going through. It is an important reminder that there are people who are caught up in tragic situations like this. Its not all about geopolitics and National Security with human beings, who are caught up and its these tragedies. In light that, President Biden has ordered significant deployment of resources to assist the Israeli Government in addressing not just the overall response of the attacks. And weve talked about some of the military resources devoted to that. But also, some of the significant expertise that our government can bring to bear when it comes to hostage recovery efforts. And those resources, people from across our government, experts on these topics, will be deployed to israel in the coming days to work with israeli counterparts on the best possible way, to try to get these people out of what is a terrible situation that no one would want to find themselves in. I cant and wont go into the details of exactly what they will be doing. Some of this will involve information sharing. Some of this will involve a Tactical Planning coordination. But we are making every asset and every resource available to the israelis to help them with these efforts. Let me also ask you about gaza, and about the response by israel, and what the Israeli Defense minister has said about blocking all food, all water, all fuel, all electricity getting into gaza. Gaza, of course, is more than 2 Million People. We also saw the israeli Prime Minister today saying that what the israeli response is going to be to its enemies is going to reverberate in those communities for generations, and ominous statement from president netanyahu, although we dont know exactly what he meant. Given that, given the kinds of statements that we are hearing from the Israeli Government, even after they have already started airstrikes, taking down buildings in gaza, what options do civilians in gaza half, for getting out, just the regular people of gaza who lived there, who werent involved with hamas or any of these attacks, how can they protect themselves and their families from the air strikes, from any potential Ground Operation by the israeli military, even from this 100 blockade of food, water, fuel, and electricity. People cant survive long without those things. This is a lot of people, 2. 3 Million People are now confronting their own survival because of these actions being a response to what hamas has done. What can they do . So, let me start by saying youre going to hear a lot of things said during the course of this conflict. And already have, and will continue to hear them. Its not going to be our approach to respond directly to each and every search and we believe often is best to provide our guidance in private and we will do that. We also speak publicly when we think its appropriate. But were gonna look more in conduct than we are in rhetoric. That said, you know, i think, taking a step back, if the United States was subject to some sort of attack that israel has endured over the last 48 hours, our response would be severe. It would be overwhelming. That is why the

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