[national anthem] [national anthem] [national anthem] if. Joey good morning being. We begin with a fox news alert. The the idf if announcing they have found six dead hostages taken by Hamas Inside A Tunnel In Gaza just days ago. Rachel that includes hersh polin. Pete Griff Jenkins joins us live with more. Reporter good morning, guys. Heartbreaking news. Those hostages killed before israeli forces could rescue them. All six of them starting with Ori And Alexander and ark lmog. You see them the here. and of course, our american, hersh goldbergp if olin. Now, the idf released a statement saying this a few hours ago we informed the families that the bodies of their Loved Ones had been located by Idf Trooped troops in an underground tunnel In Rafah. They were brutally murdered shortly before we reached them. Just last month youll recall the Goldbergpolin Family speak at the dnc, pleading for their son is release. There they are. Theyre grieving this morning releasing a statement saying this with broken hearts, the family is def stated to announce the death of their beloved Son And Brother hersh. The family thanks you all for your Love And Support and asks for previous at this time. Hershs mother was on Fox Friends back in november and had this to say. We came to find out that he and his Best Friend were at the Music Festival which was attacked. Almost 300 kids at this festival were just mowed down with machine gunfire. Hersh and his Best Friend managed to escape to a Bomb Shelter, but the Bomb Shelter came under attack. Reporter were hearing from Vice President kamala harris. She say is the her prayers are with the family seeing i strongly condemn hamas continued brutality and so must the entire world. As a vp, i have no higher priority than the safety of american citizens wherever they are in the world. And we are getting reaction from president biden as well whos saying it is as tragic as it is reprehensible. Make no mistake, hamas leaders will pay for these crimes, and we will keep working around the clock for a deal to secure the release of the remaining hostages. And were getting reaction from prime Minister Netanyahu as well, speaking the to the country in hebrew saying this whoever murders hostages does not want a deal. Were trying to get more reaction. Well bring it to you as we get it later this morning, guys. Pete griff, thank you. Joining us now is former idf spokesman, Senior Fellow at the foundation for the defense of democracy, Jonathan Connery questions. Its tough muse to take, six dead hostages, one american. These families have been actively hoping they would be found safely, and it sounds like in this Raid Or they were killed, these hostages, right before the the israeli defense forces reached hem. So this is a salve an Salve Savage Act by hamas. Your reaction to what were hearing this morning. Its a very sad day here in israel. Good morning to you guys. In israel, its the another sad day. What makes it even more heartbreaking for the families is the israeli assessment is that your Loved Ones were alive and endured Hell Underground for 330 days and then were executed by their hamas captors as they probably herald israeli troops operating in the area, and they executed the hostages and then fled. And theyre probably within a day, maybe even less than that israeli troops got to the location and were able to, sadly, only bring back their bodies. But its t really heartbreaking for israelis to see. Theres a lot of political tension in israel but, you know, on the military front whats happening is that the fight continues. Today we have another shooting attack, three Police Officers were gunned down at close range in sumeria, and weve had rockets and krones coming in from lebanon fired by hezbollah. So its very much war at many fronts, and many israelis feel that enemies are at the gate wherever we look. Rachel jonathan, there are four americans dead, four remaining in captivity. I know i read reports that these families were hoping for some sort of deal so there could be a hostage release. That didnt happen. You just mentioned political turmoil in israel. Talk to us about whats happening there because i know Theres Tension between those who say we should prioritize taking care of hamas versus those who say the first priority of the israeli government should be to release, get negotiate for the release of these hostages. Yeah. So, i mean, both views are totally understandable, and they hold a lot of content, both of them. Id say the following the first and most important factor that cannot be stressed enough is that we are dealing with savages. Were dealing with some of the most cruel, inhumane and Heartless Borderline Human Beings in the way that theyre treating israeli hostages and using hem for psychological warfare against the state of israel and against the families. And that has to be front and center of remembering who were dealing with and why thats the main reason why its been so difficult to reach a deal and to alleviate suffering in gaza. Theres a lot of i cant imagine how i would act and what measures i would take, and i totally understand their Desquare Spare and the fact that they despair, and the fact that they will do everything possible to get their Loved Ones home. And the only venue that the families can vent their pressure is inside israel. They apply pressure to the israeli government. But at the end of the day, what were dealing with is an organization that i think hamas understands that as long as they hold on to the hostages, that is basically the the last card that theyll have to use against israel. And what were seeing now is a race against time. What will happen first . Will the Fighting Will Of Hamas and pitts leaders break, or will we get the leader of hamas . Will we be able to the kill him before, or will there be some kind of deal made . Its one of these three options. I hope that Israel Wont Cave for pressure against hamas, and i hope that we will be able to defeat this very horrible and cruel enemy because Hamas Shouldnt be allowed to see the light of another day at the end of the fighting here. Joey jonathan, on that point looking forward and how this develops after this, this was an absolute tragedy. How does this affect the ceasefire that the Bidenharris Administration has been pushing publicly so hard for the last several weeks . Does this create leverage for hamas . Does it give israel an opportunity to say, nope, were not interested . How do you think it affects that . Well, basically any talk of ceasefire, you know, there are two parties who would like to see a ceasefire, i think, hamas because it will allow them to almost emerge victorious and, of course, the families of the hostages. And these are two different sides of the spectrum. In my mind, what needs to happen is for hamas to be defeated, defeated in such a way that a theres no coming back. And if what israel needs to do better is to apply better military pressure, is to do more and yet to the leaders of hamas so that they wont have the ability to negotiate the delay. As long as they hold hostages, that is what keeps hamas alive, and we have to end that and end that quicker. It is a, you know, its really a biblical mentions, this. Its like a solomons dilemma here. On one hand, wanting to live and protect the entire israel, but then on the other hand knowing that the fate of at least 50 hostages that are probably alive are in the hands of these extremely cruel terrorists who see nothing. They have no respect for human life, no values, no nothing. And its an extremely difficult situation, but even in the on this difficult day i have faith in the idf, i have faith in our ability to get the job done, to the defeat hamas. And then the Thing Isnt over. We still have hezbollah on our northern border, and we still have lots of palestinian terrorists in judea and sumeria, all of them with the fact that they dont accept the fact that the we are here and live in this country, our ancestral homeland, and they want to use violence in order to push us out, and we have to fight against it. Pete jonathan, one detail i want to round out real quick. The hostages, they believe, were shot because israeli forces were close. It wasnt as if the door was about to get kicked down. Youre saying israeli forces were in the area. Do you know how close . Was this a patrol . Was this a cordon of a neighborhood . What was the operation that a led to the killing of the the hostages . If. Rachel was it a Rescue Mission . Thats thE Part im confused pete yeah. Was with it a Rescue Misor a regular operation . Mission . From what i understand are the following you remember a few days ago a muslimisraeli man was freed from captivity, he was many a tunnel about 60 feet underground. He was extracted alive because his captors fled without killing him, and israeli troops were able to get this and get him out. And the six bodies that were uncovered were within about less than a mile from the location of where that hostage was extracted from, and the Working Assumption is in the idf that the israeli troops were in the area, collected intelligence and were searching and looking for hostages. The hamas captors understood that the israeli troops were nearby, perhaps panicked, perhaps got orders. We dont know that yet. Executed the israeli hostages and fled and then afterwards israeli troops not within minutes, but were talking hours, maybe within a day were able to collect intelligence and understand where the hostages were and then got to the location and, unfortunately, found six bodies and not six live israeli hostages. Pete tough stuff. Jonathan conricus, thank you for that insight. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Good morning. Pete it wasnt a targeted raid, it was ongoing door to Door Search operations in an area, and maybe thats when they heard, my goodness when you think about that rachel i cant. I was reading the stuff about the families. They go up to the gaza an boarder and they pray and they shout out prayers to the Loved Ones on the other side. At one point one of the Family Members tried to rush the border, and the israeli soldiers had to hold them back, hold her back because they just, they want their Loved Ones are so close, and this debate within the country of what to prioritize, you know, the war with hamas or the extraction of these hostages and the return to their families, heartbreaking. Pete a lot of that comes back to rafah right now on the border of egypt and questions about an offensive and what that should look like because of the amount of people in that a city, the the hostages that are there and israels presence. Kamala harris, whos running to be the commander in chief, made some pretty clear comments on rafah back in march. So this is march of this year, and she talked about potential for a Rafah Offensive in an interview to abc back when she did interviews, and heres what the said. We have been clear in multiple conversations and in every way that any major with Military Operation In Rafah would be a huge mistake. Let me tell you something, i have studied the maps. Theres nowhere for those folks to go. And were looking at about A Million and a half people if In Rafah who are there because they were told to go there, most of them. And so weve been very clear that it would be a mistake to move into rafah with any type of Military Operation. Pete shes studied the maps. By the way, so this is washington, d. C. Dictating to israel where it should go with offensives. Joey yeah. Pete i know theres u. S. Hostages there, thats understandable, but when d. C. Is dictating your offensive, you probably have limits on what that offensive can be. But rafah is a pot im going to pop up and go to our maps which are probably not as detailed as the ones the Vice President looked at here. This is a very vague look at the region. Youve got israel, judea and sumeria. This is the Gaza Strip, and were going to get a better map in the coming hours, and the bottom E Part is where that rafah cross. Ing is. Its how mamas can resupply through egypt. Egypt has cracked down on groups inside their own country, but they have a bargain with the palestinians allowing weapons and people to get to the Gaza Strip through these weapons. Israel took control Of Rafah, that border town, in may of this year. And when they did, they found over 7000 700 tunnels so far and 50 between egypt and the Gaza Strip. So if youre hamas, your lifeline are those 50 or more tunnels that allowed you to resupply weapons, fighters or, take your leaders in and out of egypt into the Gaza Strip but also, guys, to take hostages. Theres no reason why hostages couldnt have traveled through those tunnels into the sinai, into egypt as well if this bargain is real. So the consternation Of Rafah is the palestinians, hamas, want the u. N. To control rafah. Is and israels saying, well, the u. N. Has controlled rafah before, and when they did, the tunnels were allowed to operate, and hamas was able to go back and forth. Israels saying, no, we need to maintain control Of Rafah if were going to destroy hamas. So its this Porn Inflection Point because whoever controls it controls the resupply for hamas. Rachel okay, i have so many questions from what you just explained which, thank you. First of all, the first thing you said was we are putting limits on israel on how they fight the war. Part of that is because we fund israel. We also fund egypt. So why cant we hold our own foreign aid over the heads of, say, egypt say you shut down the tunnels if theyre coming from egypt up there . If youll get Zero Dollars unless you pete we totally should. Rachel do i have to run this country . [laughter] pete i think Thats Part of rachel thats pretty simple. Pete thats been somE Part of the public discussion for a while. Rachel if there are tunnels from egypt to israel and its in the interest of israel and theyre our friend and we want to stop this war and the killing on both sides, i mean, a lot of civilians, 40,000 have been killed on the palestinian Side Pete thats a palestinian number, a Hamas Number Rachel whatever number you want, even if its in the thousands, its horrible. We want to end this war. If those tunnels arE Part of the Process Or Part of the calculation, egypt, you get no money. Joey yeah, thats the point of contention. Do we want to end this war or win this war . The biden administration wants to end the war because its bad pr, and also just like you said from the human element, people are dying. Rachel theres a humanitarian element. Joey but if youre not ending the war, youre not winning the war. Thats israels argument a, not mine. And thats really a point of contention between the u. S. And israel right now. Pete for sure. And it is, i dont know, if you Cant Conduct Fullon Fencive Operations to the destroy offensive operations, Hamas Wont be gone, and you wont get the Hostages Joey and theyre probably coming back anyway, because the is every orphan left from israels operation, we know this from our wars, become a hamas fighter. They get indoctrinated. War may never end for that reason just like the war in afghanistan, you know . It was the soviets before us and the brits before that. And once you can create a war around an ideology of just hating another group, your kids just adapt it. Rachel and thats why the idea of not starting wars or doing whatever you can to prevent these wars is so important, and thats now become a center of this political election that were in right now. You have one candidate under which no wars were started and another in which multiple wars have started under her and Joe Bidens watch. Pete well, speaking of that candidate, Donald Trump, he was on with Mark Levin on life, Liberty And Levin is, a wideranging interview a portion of which talked about israel and whats happening in the war against hamas. And Donald Trump talked about the jewish vote and how they view kamala harris. Take a listen. How a jewish person can vote for a democrat but specifically somebody like camilla kamala, she wouldnt even meet with bibi when he was look, he came over the Prime Minister of israel. Hes in a war. Were heavily invested in that a war. People are dying. October 7th was a horrific day, just horrific. And now you see people that are picketing saying no such thing ever happened . You know they did that with the holocaust too. They said there was no holocaust. But this one was right next to us because we saw it, we saw it. You saw it, everybody saw it. They saw it. I dont imagine they arenting thinking straight. PetE Part two Airs Tonight at 8 p. M. On his policeman. Rachel yeah. 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