starts right now. >> martha: thank you both very much. i'm martha maccallum and this is the story. former president trump about to hold a rally in virginia, a tight race right now. he's trying to become the first republican presidential candidate to win the state in 20 years. biden won by ten points last time around. we will see what he has to say. we expect in any moment and will take you there. clearly he will reflect on last night's debate, which was very consequential in many ways, not grade ways for joe biden. we will talk about that quite a bit. the president also on the campaign trail in north carolina trying to clean up on aisle 5, and he worked hard at that this afternoon to get a bounce back from a very difficult night last night. here's some of the reaction to last night in the media, after the debate. >> the biggest issue he had to prove to the american people was he had the energy and stamina, and he did not do that. >> how long do we continue to act like we did not see what we just saw last night? >> every aid i've spoken to, democrats are worried about what they saw from the president. >> martha: in moments, biden campaign cochair and delaware senator chris koons joins us and the republican national committee cochair lara trump about first senior white house correspondent peter doocy from the north lawn where there is a lot of talk in the building today about this. hi. >> this just in, barack obama has spoken. he posted on x a few minutes ago, bad debate night happen, trust me, i know. we can confirm that at some point this afternoon shortly there will be in all biden campaign staff meeting happening. we are told they do it most fridays but most fridays the staff does not have 90 minutes of fresh sound of their boss giving halting, sometimes hard to understand answers. today in north carolina, on teleprompter, he was much more energetic. >> president joe biden: i don't walk as easy as i used to worse because smoothly as i used to. i don't debate as well as i used to. but i know what i do know, i know how to tell the truth. [cheering and applause] i know -- i know right from wrong. and i know how to do this job. i know how to get things done. [cheering and applause] and i know like millions of americans know, when you get knocked down, you get back up. >> reporter: the biden team is trying to get people more focused on the things that trump was saying. >> what you saw last night on the debate stage was joe biden, a president with integrity and character. [cheering and applause] who told the truth, and donald trump told lie after lie after lie. oh, you are good, you are so good! >> reporter: but there was some revisionist history going on from president biden as well. he mischaracterized the biggest foreign policy moment of his presidency, the terrorist bombing at abbey gate in cabell, afghanistan, that killed 13 usa service members. >> president joe biden: the truth is on the only president this century that does not have any -- of this decade, i did not have troops dying anywhere in the world like he did. >> reporter: well, as a defence department a few minutes ago, a spokesperson disputed that, saying we have certainly had service members pass during our administration. martha? >> martha: peter, thank you. let's bring in biden campaign cochair and delaware senator chris coons. thank you very much for joining us today. it has been a busy day or democrats, discussing what happened last night. i want to start there. i'm not sure how a commander in chief forgets, even momentarily, the 13 young people, u.s. service members who died on the bridge, at the gate at abbey gate at kabul airport. it was a horrific situation and a lot of young lives lost. how do you explain that? >> look, martha, last night was a rough start for joe biden, or president. but one of the core issues they debated last night was their view of veterans and veterans sacrifice. former president trump flat-out lied about the attribution to him of having called americans who fell in line in service to our nation suckers and losers -- >> martha: which you know he has complete lead denied. he has completely denied. >> frankly, joe biden signed into law the biggest expansion and veterans health care since the second world war. and the former president did not. >> martha: i understand that, i'm just asking you a question about the cognitive ability of the president. doesn't it surprise you that he could forget that he lost 13 usa service members in that horrific bombing at abbey gait? how does a president forget losing 13 u.s. service members, and there were others. but let's focus on them for now. how does he forget that? >> martha, i have been with both presidents, former president trump and tripp -- president biden at dover air force base as we welcome how many remains of americans who fell in service to our country. and as they visited with their families. joe biden feels deeply and personally his commitment to our's veterans and those who sacrifice. and the speech he just gave in raleigh, north carolina, and i'm confident speeches he will be giving in the days ahead, reflect his energy, his capacity and his determination. i suspect you watched this on the beaches of normandy, remember in the 80th anniversary of the americans who sacrifice their lives in the second world war. we are going to welcome our nato allies to washington next month where we will recognize president biden led nato to its strongest chapter ever. the defence of ukraine, and to rally the contributions of 50 countries -- >> martha: there's a very -- >> another thing donald trump lied about last night. >> martha: i'm talking to you about biden's performance. we will talk about trump's performance as well. i want to ask you, was it not disturbing to you to see him -- we can move on from the service members. i'm sure their families will not move on but we can move on for the time being. his performance is so incredibly uneven. we just saw him knock it out of the park, when he's got two tele proctors at a speechwriter, as karl rove just said, he can do fine. but why is his performance so uneven and what is it like when he is behind closed doors with a foreign leader and it's all off-the-cuff and he has to remember these important details? >> he is tremendous. i will tell you, i just met with a number of senior italian leaders in rome earlier this week. the g7, which just concluded in italy, was a moment when he was commanded by all of the g7 leaders for his grasp of details, for his engagement. i have seen this myself when i was with him at the nato summit. joe biden has 50 years of experience in foreign policy. >> martha: no doubt. >> and he is strong. behind doors and when he's in front of the camera. >> martha: that part you have to concede is a bit of a question because people in your own party are asking -- no one big grudges his service to the country over all of these years, but the question is do you believe -- when you look at the country, the health of the country, the future of the country, do you believe that he can serve for four more years given the state -- and he just conceded that he's not in the shape that he used to be. four more years, can he do it, do you think? can you look everyone in the eye and tell them that? >> yes. let me ask you this question, which of the two candidates on the debate stage last night as a vice president, a secretary of defence and the chief of staff who have publicly said they don't belong anywhere near the oval office? donald trump. who lied about the state of our economy and about his record? donald trump. who has a strong record to run on and the ability to get things done? >> martha: all of this is up to the american people. they are going to watch and we are going to see how it goes. just because you brought up the point about those individuals, what former president trump said last night's why didn't president biden fire anyone for what happened in afghanistan? can you answer that question? why didn't he? >> the point you are reminding us of is that former president trump has a vice president and a former secretary of defence who say that they worked with him closely and he should not be trusted with our nation's security the one that's on the record. >> that's far more alarming than what internal policy decisions joe biden made to discipline or not discipline folks about the surrender -- about the loss of our position in afghanistan. >> martha: do you believe no one should have been fired for what happened in afghanistan? you agree with his decision on that? >> i can hardly hear you, please say that again? >> martha: i'm asking if you agree that no one should have been fired for the debacle and chaos in afghanistan with the exit? >> i think that former president trump made concessions to the taliban that made our position in afghanistan untenable and president biden made hard choices. the execution of the withdrawal, frankly i do think there were issues that should have been addressed. but i was not in the details about the coordination between the defence department, state department and the after action. i will say this. in standing up for freedom and defending ukraine, i'm proud of the job joe biden has done corralling 50 allies around the world, and i'm alarmed by what donald trump said last night, that he would let russia do whatever they want to our nato allies if they aren't paying their fair share when it comes to keeping us safe around the world, and fighting for average american families, joe biden has a great record. i look forward to supporting him for his election this fall. >> martha: senator, i want to thank you for being here. it's a significant day in this whole process and as we know, and we just showed on air, president biden says he intends to win the election and intends to debate again come september. we will watch all of the race closely. thank you, good to have you as always. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: as we wait for former president trump in virginia we showed you current president biden in north carolina moments ago. let's listen to president biden again talking about the debate. >> president joe biden: i know i'm not a young man. i don't debate as well as i used to. but i know what i do know, i know how to tell the truth. >> martha: with that let's bring in lara trump, republican national committee chair, cochair and former president trump's daughter-in-law, always good to have you with us, thanks for being here. i had -- i ran out of time with senator chris coons but i want to ask you the question he left hanging, when he talked about the fact that he claims former president trump would allow putin to do whatever he wants if the country -- countries that are in nato don't pay their fair share, is it an accurate characterization? >> i think you heard donald trump last night explain himself very clearly, which obviously we did not get from joe biden on any front, martha. it was a dumpster fire for him as everyone has noted, last night. and i think donald trump's point is we cannot be funding the entire world. the united states should not have that weight on our shoulders. you saw how effective donald trump actually was with nato when he was in the white house, when he was president of the united states nato was paying their fair share. i think his point is wire we not even asking for that? why isn't it the right thing being done on a host of fronts, but certainly with that. if i could address your previous guest for a moment, that's the problem with the democrat party, what he just did when he came on your show moments ago, and lied to the american people, is the reason we are in this mess right now. the democrats have known full well that joe biden's cognitive state is in severe decline, that he does not have the capacity to run the united states of america as the president. we all can see that and they've been lying to us about it. with the aid of the liberal media, they've been able to hide joe biden yet last night they had to bring him out and they had to put him on full display. this is not the only thing though, america, they've been lying about. they must think the american people are stupid. look back to the russia collusion hoax. how long did they lie about that? it took a government investigation to shut it down. it was hillary clinton and the dnc that colluded with russia, not the trump campaign as trump to win in 2016. you have a host of reasons the american people should be very distrustful of the democrat party. they have not a modicum of trust left in them at this point -- >> martha: i want to ask you a little about the rnc business. i want to get it in before we run out of time. does the trump team and the rnc want to run against joe biden? do you want him to stay in the race? do you feel like that is the best competition? >> i think you very clearly saw last night a completely different side of america. you saw one side of a week america at a weak leader in joe biden, you saw a strong leader in donald trump. so when you want to give us someone who clearly is not up to the task to run against, i think we would be crazy to say we want to run against anyone else. what i'm concerned about, and i heard speaker mike johnson say it today, is joe biden has to continue to be president until donald trump is sworn into office in january 2025. that's very concerning. our adversaries and allies watched alongside the american people last night and wow, what a difference and what a frightening thought that joe biden is literally in charge of america. that's terrifying to a lot of people. >> martha: thank you very much. we heard senator chris coons say that he think he handles foreign leaders well. i asked him that question for the same reason based on what we saw last night. it's concerning to wonder if he's having these kinds of thought lapses and freeze ups -- >> and he could not give you a direct answer, he could not give you an answer and he won't. >> martha: thank you very much. good to have you here, lara trump, cochair of the rnc. we will see lots of her and the team out there. we go to milwaukee a few weeks and we are about to hear from former president trump for the first time since the debate, as president biden tries to convince voters that he can still pack a punch after disastrous debate performance. that's the motorcade arriving that you see in chesapeake, virginia. they were behind but they have worked to catch up time when your flight is delayed and you somehow get there on time anyway, that seems to be happening in virginia. janet caldwell and clay travis are up next. >> martha: we are waiting for former president trump in virginia, chesapeake, virginia. the state has not voted for a republican presidential candidate in two decades but a recent fox poles shows a tight race, a dead heat in virginia. president biden won the state for years ago by ten points, a comfortable margin. clay travis, philippe, gianno caldwell all standing by but first lucas tomlinson is live at the trump rally in chesapeake, virginia. hi. >> hi, fresh off his debate performance president trump arrived in virginia and in the last few minute's we have seen the motorcade pull up so we should hear former president trump any minute now. earlier today we saw thousands of people coming to the greenbrier farms in chesapeake, virginia, just outside of nor folk, the largest navy base in the country. it's a state that no republican has taken into mac decades. you have to go back to george w. bush in 2004. earlier we spoke to people including young people who told us why they are voting for donald trump. >> my demographic or my age are all pro trump. everyone is starting to see after the debate last night how unqualified joe biden is to run the nation. >> i absolutely think trump will win virginia. he is winning it. >> reporter: a different story today, martha. virginia is a state that many people what -- thought was a swing state until a few months ago but today a different story. thanks to a fox news poll of the race is now a dead heat, tied up and that is one of the reasons president trump came. he just arrived. you are the motorcade. the first lady was campaigning a few days ago. officials tell us there's 10,000 people here to hear the former president and he's taking the stage in moments. >> martha: lucas, we will watch. thank you. let's bring our panel, clay travis, gianno caldwell, fox news political analyst. philippe, let me start with you, i thank you all for being here. i want to play one at the sound bites from the debate that was troublesome and get your reaction and what you think parties should do about the situation we saw last night. >> president joe biden: there's so many young women who have been included -- including the young woman who was murdered. the idea that she was murdered by an immigrant coming in to talk about that, but here's the deal, there's a lot of young women being by their in-laws, by their spouses, brothers and sisters, it's just ridiculous. and they can do nothing about it. and they try to arrest them when they cross state lies. >> martha: that was the answer to the question on abortion. what did you make of that and do you understand what he was saying or trying to say? >> i will say a couple things. joe biden didn't have a good night last night. that is not just my opinion, that's joe biden's opinion. he said that a few hours ago, did not have a good debate. there will be other debates and he will do better. it's as simple as having a bad night. we will talk about cognition for the rest of the way, that's fine. donald trump has waged a war against the english language since he came on the public scene. he lied about his health starting in 2015 when he forged his own doctor's note. he lied about why he went to walter reed hospital in 2019. in 2020,'s doctors lied about the severity of his covid. if we are going to have the argument, let's have it evenly on both sides. what it comes down to is a good president had a really bad night. a really bad ex-president had a good night. for the first time in six tries in his debates in the general election. >> martha: i will let you respond to that clay, what do you say to that. >> thanks for having me on, happy early fourth of july. i'm glad philippe is here because i saw cnn reporting last night that a high-ranking cnn official in the democratic party, wanted to throw himself off a bridge and i was afraid it was philippe after how the debate went last night. i give him credit -- >> i would never skip a friday with clay. [laughter] >> martha: good answer. >> i appreciate him showing up and trying to spin it. it's like losing a football game 65-3 and bragging about a field goal. the race is over. i have my red jacket on because i'm ready for the inauguration party, i'm ready for election night. if they stick with joe biden there is a 0% chance he's going to be elected president of the united states. we have the rally in virginia going. as you mentioned, martha, trump lost virginia by ten. i think he will win this election. i think by 11:00 rachel maddow is going to be curled up in the fetal position on election night crying with a bottle of vodka beside her and joe scarborough, i don't know how he's going to get out of bed the next morning based on the comments he made. msnbc and cnn are in full on mourning. the joe biden campaign is over. he delivered what all of us have seen for the past several months and been accused of gaslighting for saying and been accused of spreading cheap fakes. joe biden does not have the mental or physical capacity to be president of the united states. for 90 minutes we all saw it last night. the election is over. >> we heard in the reports that he was an elderly man with a poor memory, the video that has never been released. now we might be getting a better sense of why. 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